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Originally posted by Lucifer777
Originally posted by network dude
Originally posted by Lucifer777
Guardians of the sacred whipped cream, more likely. I am not amused. It seems to all be just a big "frat house" joke. They are utterly ridiculous (worthy of ridicule).
Shame.
You are not worthy.
Lux
thanks for the compliment sir.
That you take this as a compliment says a great deal about you; however it was not meant as a compliment. I am no longer a member of any particular religious cult, but if a were a member of a cult and the criticisms and accusations against that cult were the criticisms and accusations that have been raised in this thread in the US media by US Masons themselves against American Masonry, then I would be thoroughly embarrassed and ashamed, and would most certainly leave that cult, and I would not seek to simply defend that cult without evidence that the allegations have been manufactured, and I would certainly not go into attack mode against those who merely present such criticisms and allegations.
We are judged by others on the basis of our allies and enemies, and that is entirely fair.
The American Masonic apologists on this thread have done little more than issue denials (absent of evidence) and throw ad hominems. It is simply indicative of their intellectual and moral dishonesty and of the standard effects of cult mind control.
Our enemies and allies in life will be our eternal enemies and allies.
Lux
No mercy on they who deserve none.
The American Masonic apologists on this thread have done little more than issue denials (absent of evidence) and throw ad hominems. It is simply indicative of their intellectual and moral dishonesty and of the standard effects of cult mind control.
Originally posted by Tamahu
Quotes From Manly P. Hall 33º, H.P. Blavatsky, Franz Hartmann, Eliphas Levi, and Samael Aun Weor:
"Respectable sir, those who have profoundly studied the Masonry of Ragon or Leadbeater know very well that occult esoteric Masonry existed not only under the porticoes of the temple of Jerusalem but also in ancient Egypt and in submerged Atlantis.
"Regrettably, in the age of Kali Yuga or the Iron Age in which we currently find ourselves, such honorable institution has entered into the descendent, devolving circle...."
As for Aleister Crowley's teachings:
OTO, or Ordo Templi Orientis, page 3:
"Crowley misused the ancient Gnostic word "Thelema" for his own filthy ambitions!"
"The Gnostic Mass of the White Brotherhood, has nothing to do with that Black Crowley ceremony that you have seen on the internet!
"The Protoplasmic, Lunar, Bestial bodies (that any beast of the kingdom possesses), in other words, the pluralized ego, is the vessel or vessels that Black Kabbalists use in order to receive or collect the devolving forces of Klipoth (Hell, the infradimensions) by means of Black Tantra.
"Through Black Tantra, that is, through their Masses and the practices of the sexual degeneration of the sphere of Lilith their ego receives or collects, the devolving forces of Klipoth.
"The Naked Priestess of that ritual is the symbol of Lilith (whoredom), which the Black Kabbalists worship. Crowley asked people to call him "The Beast 666"
"Crowle y misused the ancient Gnostic word "Thelema" for his own filthy ambitions!
"We, Gnostics are not members of the Roman Catholic Church either. The Catholic church only follows the path of the Monk."
"The Mysteries of Isis, Osiris and Horus are derived from a Neptunian-Amentian period (Fourth Dimension), which is lost in the terrifying night of all ages."
"Simon Magus, Papus (Gerard Encausse), Crowley and many other Black Magicians who claimed to be Gnostic Thelemites, adulterated the sacred Gnostic teachings and rituals; they betrayed and abused the friendship and the trust of the Masters of those sacred colleges for Initiation from the White Lodge!
"Therefore, it is not strange to presently find among the writings of these cunning individuals from these dens of the black lodge, terms, sciences and rituals similar to those that were used within those colleges for Initiation."
"These black magicians from darkness abound wherever there existed colleges for Initiation. They are the antitheses of those colleges and they speak as Masters, always boasting about being Initiates of those colleges."
"Exactly! Crowley was just a very cunning Hanasmuss! And that is all!"
"And if Aleister Crowley betrayed his oath by printing the sacred rituals of the Gnostic Church for the public that is not our problem, but his! The Cosmic Law already heard his case and sentenced him."
"Actually, the placing of the Tarot/letters of the Hebrew alphabet came from the writings of Samuel MacGregor Mathers and his "Golden Dawn". Crowley was just a copy cat.
"Samael Aun Weor didn't seem to say anything about this. Therefore, it may not be so important as to where they are located. In my opinion, MacGregor Mathers was a very well learned Kabbalist and was not inherently negative (that is why Crowley attacked him!). The so called "path working" according to the above named tradition is not used at all by the studens of Master Samael.
"It is most important for us to create the Tree within us, through the initiatic principles of alchemy and transmutation."
Originally posted by LightCraft
The pot calling the kettle black? I have seen zero evidence to any of your arguments. All you can do is is cite erroneous claims from poorly made websites lacking in just about every way possible. And for the record: you're being intellectually dishonest with yourself. Get a grip.
Originally posted by Lucifer777
Originally posted by network dude
Originally posted by Lucifer777
Guardians of the sacred whipped cream, more likely. I am not amused. It seems to all be just a big "frat house" joke. They are utterly ridiculous (worthy of ridicule).
Shame.
You are not worthy.
Lux
thanks for the compliment sir.
That you take this as a compliment says a great deal about you; however it was not meant as a compliment. I am no longer a member of any particular religious cult, but if a were a member of a cult and the criticisms and accusations against that cult were the criticisms and accusations that have been raised in this thread in the US media by US Masons themselves against American Masonry, then I would be thoroughly embarrassed and ashamed, and would most certainly leave that cult, and I would not seek to simply defend that cult without evidence that the allegations have been manufactured, and I would certainly not go into attack mode against those who merely present such criticisms and allegations.
We are judged by others on the basis of our allies and enemies, and that is entirely fair.
The American Masonic apologists on this thread have done little more than issue denials (absent of evidence) and throw ad hominems. It is simply indicative of their intellectual and moral dishonesty and of the standard effects of cult mind control.
Our enemies and allies in life will be our eternal enemies and allies.
Lux
No mercy on they who deserve none.
___________
Originally posted by network dude
You presented evidence that has been heard, discussed, and dealt with before. Some of the claims you brought up were real in the sense that they actually had evidence and people were punished.
I know for a fact that you are sexually attracted to male piglets. You have a perverse interest in young slop wallowing creatures.
If you want to discuss the fact that all American masons use hookers and binge drink, please just bring some evidence and we will discuss that. Otherwise, enjoy the farm sport.
No mercy for those who refuse to think logically.
Originally posted by Lucifer777
When you get around to learning how to construct a logical argument, please let me know.
Lux
Originally posted by Lucifer777
This kind of inane (stupid, irrelevant) response seems to be the "only" kind of response...lack of honesty / outright deception
Fine. Good. But I'm not a member of the Jesters. I'm not a Shriner. So such accusations have not been made against groups of which I am a member. They are not allegations against Masonry, they're allegations against Jesters and Shriners. You still can't seem to make that distinction, no matter how many times I've tried to explain it here.
Originally posted by Lucifer777
if a were a member of a cult and the criticisms and accusations against that cult were the criticisms and accusations that have been raised in this thread in the US media by US Masons themselves against American Masonry, then I would be thoroughly embarrassed and ashamed, and would most certainly leave that cult, and I would not seek to simply defend that cult without evidence that the allegations have been manufactured, and I would certainly not go into attack mode against those who merely present such criticisms and allegations.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by Lucifer777
This kind of inane (stupid, irrelevant) response seems to be the "only" kind of response...lack of honesty / outright deception
Yeah, I particularly liked when we pretended not to know what the original connotations of the words 'worshipful' and 'master' were and used them to insult you when trying to make a point. I fully agree, purposeful omission of evidence is dishonest and deceptive.
"Loading the Language. The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand. This jargon consists of thought-terminating clichés, which serve to alter members' thought processes to conform to the group's way of thinking. "
From Dr. Robert J. Lifton's Criteria for Thought Reform (in Religious Cults).
Originally posted by network dude
I can say for sure that inside a masonic lodge, there is no drinking, partying, sex of any kind.
"I am the Snake that giveth Knowledge & Delight and bright glory, and stir the hearts of men with drunkenness. To worship me take wine and strange drugs whereof I will tell my prophet, & be drunk thereof! They shall not harm ye at all. It is a lie, this folly against self. The exposure of innocence is a lie. Be strong, o man! lust, enjoy all things of sense and rapture: fear not that any God shall deny thee for this."
Book of the Law
www.sacred-texts.com...
You seem to really like posting photos without any caption which might explain what exactly we're looking at (or what it might have to do with the topic at hand), or even where you might have found said photo on the web so that we can evaluate them in context.
Originally posted by Lucifer777
Originally posted by Lucifer777
Cult insider doublespeak is where private definitions of descriptive terms (nouns and adjectives) can be used to confuse cult outsiders, and where descriptive terms used by the cult can be redefined when questioned by cult outsiders.
a : a presiding officer in an institution or society (as a college)
13. a presiding officer.
2. ( initial capital letter ) British . a formal title of honor used in announcing or mentioning certain highly regarded or respected persons or groups (usually preceded by the ).
a. archaic : notable, distinguished
b. chiefly British —used as a title for various persons or groups of rank or distinction
I recall some years ago, for example, debating with cultists of the Korean billionaire arm's manufacturer Sun Myung Moon...
The Masonic cultists can claim all they like that a "Master" in their cult is not a Master, or that a "Worshipful Master" is a non Master who is unworthy of worship...
Basically this is all just typical of both cult doublespeak and cult obfuscation ("the concealment of intended meaning in communication, making communication confusing").
"Loading the Language. The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand. This jargon consists of thought-terminating clichés, which serve to alter members' thought processes to conform to the group's way of thinking. "
From Dr. Robert J. Lifton's Criteria for Thought Reform (in Religious Cults).
And of course, if you don't accept the definitions of terms of the cultists Doublespeak, they will insult you and accuse you of being deceptive.
Again this entire issue is just another "distraction fallacy"...
...to avoid presenting evidence of their claims that the evidence of Institutional Masonic corruption surrounding the world's largest non religious charity has been fabricated. If your cult religion is indefensible, don't even try to defend it; to defend the use of charity funds for drunken revelry where pompous drunken old men wearing funny hats spend the evening wth strippers and prostitutes, just attack your critics and obfusicate.
Originally posted by Lateralussicksicksick
When arguing/discussing with Masons remember :
1) You cannot defeat them in the internet (THEY WILL ALWAYS WIN)
2) Never, ever stoop down to their level.
3) Evidence is holds no value to them, remember they are MASONS.
4) Remember the Special Olympics quote? You can always apply it here.
5) If they don't want you to call them a cult then call them gangsters because they will always gang up on you.
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Now onto the topic. One thing I may add that can be valuable is
"There are no facts only interpretations" Friedrich Nietzsche.
Originally posted by Lateralussicksicksick
When arguing/discussing with Masons remember :
1) You cannot defeat them in the internet (THEY WILL ALWAYS WIN)
2) Never, ever stoop down to their level.
3) Evidence is holds no value to them, remember they are MASONS.
"There are no facts only interpretations" Friedrich Nietzsche.
Originally posted by CholmondleyWarner
1. If they had done anything wrong then of course they could be defeated. You seem to be conceeding defeat before you've proven your argument.
2.Please supply what their level is?
3.Evidence is the only thing that matters. If you have evidence that the masons are guilty of something could you please supply it?
4.Special olympics!
5.I'm one of them that thinks the masons are a cult. Calling them gangsters is a bit much though...
I'm intreagued by the freemasons. I dont think they are any threat what so ever but its the way they interact with one another that I find amusing. Masons are like any other group of people who get together under a similar belief, flag or religion, no matter if its a football team, politics, or religion. If you attack it they are bound to stick up for themselves... The supporters of my team are like family and I guess thats what the masons feel like, so if you attack one you attack them all. Thats life my friend. They wouldn't be human if they didn't react accordingly.
Originally posted by Lucifer777
I am perfectly well aware of that, but that is not really the point; the longer they ramble on and fail to produce evidence that the claims of institutional corruption against their cult have been fabricated, the longer the thread might go on. I am only here to insert numerous of Masonic keywords on every page and to get the these pages to the front page of Google and other search engines on various Masonic, Shirner, Jester associated subjects; we are already on the front page in various categories. You don't honestly believe that I am just here to take abuse from these morons, do you?
My ulterior motives are far more sinister.
Originally posted by Lateralussicksicksick
I'm not as intrigued by the freemasons as you are but I am still amused at how they do everything to defend their brother mason. I criticize masons because they are supposedly the epitome of goodness or so they say, I don't recall it where I have read this but some mason said that the reason to join masonry is to make a good man better, well I don't see anything that is "better" with Masons here.
Also you joined ATS the same time I did, it must be a conspiracy?