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posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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The following video was sent to me recently when I discussed some related subjects with a friend not too long ago (i.e. why is Islam being demonised so much in the media, is there is truth behind it or just more human intolerance).


*not sure if this links properly so here is the YT source*

I am agnostic in my beliefs, I believe in a god and this spiritual view balances out my scientific and logical view but do not consider myself religious in any sense.

I found the above video very interesting from a couple of points...

Firstly the guy in the video does an excellent job of explaining what Christianity really is and the whole problem with a god that is "both one and 3"...not logical and god would not be illogical if the god of Christ is supposed to be this all encompassing creator. But he makes a good argument for the real Christianity which I have always believed to be based around the old work, the Gospels and not the new age stuff (because that is what it is) that is being banded about.

Also his reasons for accepting Islam are interesting and it's nice to see someone who doesn't fit the stereotype and is articulate & intelligent enough to explain his decisions.

Anyway I personally feel the OP's argument is flawed as you are essentially saying that "ALL RELIGIONS" are at their root, promoting terrorism because the main religions I have come across all promote similar ideas i.e. trust your god, protect your faith, your loved ones and your close friends, be a morally correct person etc.

People of this day and age are generally too ignorant to understand anything anymore so it is probably a good thing that religion is being wiped out of history in this way.

Adios.
edit on 6-2-2011 by old_god because: typo




posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 03:37 PM
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Note: Exchange the J word for Zionists. It is historically accurate. More accurately, Zionism at the "highest" levels is really about Satanism.

Most who follow the Kabbalah & the Talmud haven't a clue about who their masters really are today.

They were led away from the Law of Moses and the Torah. The moderate peoples of each of the three monotheistic Religions are the victims of this ancient deception.


Sometimes all the History in the World, straight from the Library of Congress and the Vatican Library just isn't enough.

People would rather buy the security of Sweet Lies from the TV.

Don't touch my comfort zone, or I'll shoot the messenger!


This is how we got here.

Advanced course 501. In case you wanted some authentic voices you never heard.

Reading between the lines is helpful, but not always necessary.


PS: This is about abuse of power and deception to gain power over ALL peoples of all faiths, by setting THEM AGAINST EACH OTHER.

as Viktor Ostrovsky's example (by his book title) exposing his former employer, the Mossad.

"By Way of Deception, (Thou Shalt Do War)".

Make no mistake. We are fighting Pagan Zionists, formerly "GENTILES", who've disguised themselves as Israeli Jews and American Jews Christians and Muslims, too!

Look up Khazaria- 740-780 AD.

They have no such blood, or honorable, connection.

This deception must end.

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ALBERT PIKE and THREE WORLD WARS:

This is an excerpt from the letter the 19th century Pope of Freemasonry, Albert Pike, sent to Italian Freemason, Giuseppe Mazzini (which literally translates to "Mason"). It is dated August 15, 1871. This letter, which was reportedly once on display at the British Museum, is an excellent example of how agendas are laid out many, many years before the public sees them unfold in what we call "current events." What we call history is nothing more than a script being played out, written many years in advance by a small few who have existed down through the ages, out of the public eye, working to carry out the goals of their Hidden Masters, which are many generations in the making....

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions."

"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile th e other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."
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Aldous Huxley was right....

"And it seems to me perfectly in the cards that there will be within the next generation or so a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing … a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda, brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods."

-- Aldous Huxley (1961)

Huxley noted several key developments that he thought would be essential in setting up such a system, including:

*Permanent economic security which would remove the primary source of discontent.

*Improved techniques of suggestion and conditioning, including the use of drugs and repetitive, hypnotic training. (Note that this was written before the advent of television and Prozac!)

*A method of psychological evaluation and assignment of individuals to their "proper" social and economic places in the hierarchy.

*Widespread use of recreational drugs to allow temporary escape from the pressures of existence.

*A system of eugenics to allow "human resources" with only the desired characteristics to be bred as needed.

*Huxley knew the agenda because he was part of it*

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"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."

--David Rockefeller speaking at the June 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden Baden, Germany

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"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences ."

"The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank . . . sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

-- Carroll Quigley, "Tragedy and Hope", 1966, pg. 324

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For the past several years I have been writing about and helping to inform others of the hidden history behind the system we are all born into, which we call "reality." This "reality" is in fact not our own, but one created from the top, handed down to us to keep us from the truth. The truth about our existence and who we are as conscious and spiritual beings.

The system of scientific control in which we are living under is certainly not new. It is ages old and goes back to Ancient Egypt and likely before that. It was Plato who wrote that in order for a society to properly function to serve the few running the show from behind the proverbial curtain, culture must be created for the people and given to them from the top, as any grassroots movement might upset the scientifically-created order within society. Any disorder within society would need to be from the top-down, and this is what we are seeing today in the form of "terrorism" and other forms of occultic psychological control tactics. (occult = hidden.)

Psychological control has been used since the beginning of documented civilization to move societies through the ages in a pre-planned direction as seen by those at the top.

We are living at the tail-end of this agenda, which is thousands of years old. It h as never changed.

We are living during a vital point in history as we enter the transition from the Old Age of Pisces to the "New Age" of Aquarius. To make way for the New Age, the old one must be destroyed, and this is what we can see happening right now if we're able to read between the lines and look critically at events as they continue to unfold all around us.

The attacks of September 11th, 2001, marked the beginning of the final phase of the current system as we make our way into the new global-fascist system, which will be a world communist/socialist government based on the Soviet system. This system is already in place and it's only a matter of time before the right "catalyzing" event which will be needed to bring about this new system is triggered.

By the year 2010, less than five years from now, we will see the implementation of the proposed North American Union, which is to be based on the EU, along with a new currency based on the Euro. This will include the merging of the US with Mexico and Canada, in tandem with the NAFTA superhighway stretching from Canada to Mexico. This too has been many years in the making, and, as was the case with the buildup to the EU, news of the coming North American Union is practically nowhere to be seen in the mainstream media. This is because the mainstream media is controlled by many of the same economic powers behind this new system, which is just another building block/bloc towards the coming global dictatorship.

In his book, 'Das Kapital', Karl Marx spoke of a world divided into three trading blocs under a global governing body. So, as we can see, the idea is not new, and the plan which is unfolding before our eyes was planned many years ago by groups such as the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), which are spearheading this transition from behind the scenes, out of the controlled media's spotlight.

The coming years spanning from 2007-1010 will be chaotic as we witness the transition from the current system to the new scientific system written about by people such as Aldous Huxley and Zbigniew Brzezinski decades ago.

We are fast approaching a one-world communist dictatorship, which will include a one-world currency and military, where every man, woman and child will be microchipped and every move will be tracked and monitored by a central computer database. This system has been many years in the making and is reminiscent of the "technetronic society" Brzezinski was writing about in the 1970s, in his book, 'Between Two Ages : America's Role in the Technetronic Era'.

The silent war facing humanity isn't so much a war against freedom as much as it is individuality. Free-thinking individuals pose the greatest threat to those working to bring about this New World Order. So it's no surprise the end goal is to eventually do away with individuality through chemical, electronic and genetic means. Under the coming system, population levels will be greatly reduced and children will not be born unless it's with a purpose, to serve this new system -- this Elite utopia on earth.

This system of control we are under is not impossible to break, but it's up to every person to become sentient, free-thinking and aware of the wider world around them. Once enough people break free from the chains that have imprisoned humanity for so long, there is no stopping the unimaginable power of the indomitable human spirit.



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posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 03:39 PM
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Why are rights and liberty so good? If you don't know why they're good, then how can you know that Islamism is bad?



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 03:42 PM
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i think the three in one is a reference to the fact, all three of them were known as jehovah in torah. one was the sumerian enlil, one was the sumerian enki (also known as ea) and one was the sumerian anu. this is spirit (enlil is lord air/wind/sky/spirit), son (who is ea, son of enlil) and anu, who is lord heaven. how they were condensed into one, is perfectly understandable. the tower of babel event confused the languages (long story, deliberately left out of the texts, but hinted at heavily if you know what you're looking for), and the people who later wrote down the text of the torah, condensed them all into one.



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by inforeal
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I am afraid it is logic that is fatly

You cant say lets start in the year 2001 and then start counting the atrocities of Muslims versus Christians and forget all of past history where Millions of Muslims where colonized by CHRISTIAN NATIONS for centuries.

Including Italy controlling Libya, Ethipea, Eritrea

France controlling Tunisia, Morocco and practically all of Arab North Africa, and Mali, Senegal

Britain controlled Egypt, Palestine, Iraq, Sudan and Saudi Arabia, Yemen

How many Muslims were murdered by the Christian colonist?

That wasn’t hundreds of years ago that was all in the twentieth century!



THAT WAS ORGANIZED TOO!
Your logic is beyond stupid, it is illogical how you think and judge somthing like this!





Those nations were administered by Western powers after the fall of the Ottoman empire - which tried unsucsessfully to invade and conquer Europe under Sulleman, and as has Saladin had tried before him and the Muslim invaders and colonists of Spain before them.

The only difference this time, is that they are sneaking in the back door claiming asylum.



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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Why are rights and liberty so good?


Would you feel good or bad if someone took your rights or liberty away?



If you don't know why they're good, then how can you know that Islamism is bad?


Because I am not a moral relativism extremist or nihilist like you - in fact, I am a moral objectivist (humanist). Infringing upon basic human rights of innocent people is wrong, if by nothing else then at least according to the Golden Rule. No amount of crazy philosophing and intellectual masturbation can obfuscate this simple self-evident truth.

If you really need hard intelectual justification for even basic objective morality, you can pick up The Moral Landscape from Sam Harris. See here (no god or supernatural being needed!).



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 04:20 PM
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Okay, so you've gone through a great deal of copying and pasting to get your biased point across that Muslims are naturally extremist and their religion teaches terrorism. Look up the word terrorism/terrorist.

I can guarantee you, I can pull out double the amount of quotes from the Bible, whose instructions come from God's mouth, that preach way more terrorism than the quran can conjure up. But, I'm smarter than you, I won't waste my time copying and pasting that drivel, do it yourself...or just pick up a Bible and start reading.

Speaking of terrorist...the Christian crusades and their massacres before that make extremist muslims look like petty street thugs! If I recall, it wasn't even the muslims that went into other lands, shoved their beliefs down the throats of people perfectly happy with their own beliefs and killed them if they resisted. Oh yeah...that was the muslims...no wait...that wasn't the muslims; my bad! I think you know damn well who I'm referring to.

Take your copy/paste texts and shove it!



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 04:28 PM
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Speaking of terrorist...the Christian crusades and their massacres before that make extremist muslims look like petty street thugs! If I recall, it wasn't even the muslims that went into other lands, shoved their beliefs down the throats of people perfectly happy with their own beliefs and killed them if they resisted. Oh yeah...that was the muslims...no wait...that wasn't the muslims; my bad! I think you know damn well who I'm referring to.


You are right. But you are missing the conclusion - arguing about Christian wars and killings from the past only further proves that the danger of extremist Islam is real and should not be underestimated.



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 05:08 PM
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The only country Muslims colonized, the Turks in their heyday, were some in Eastern Europe.

They didn’t murder everybody there because they weren’t Muslims.

There was the Moors in the 15th century, I am talking about the 20 TH CENTURY.

Europe raped and robbed Muslim countries for decades

Know your modern history before you come here talking about things you know nothing about.

Don’t you know Asians, Africans as well as and South Americans [Indians] had to fight European invaders for freedom against colonization?

THOSE WERE CHRISTIAN ORGANIZED MURDER, RAPE, THEFT AND SLAVERY APPROVED BY THE POPE!

Remember even India [Mahatma Ghandi had to fight Britain for Indian freedom.

All the Middle East had to fight European countries for freedom from colonialism


You people read this link about the colonization of Muslim lands and learn something apart from Fox news.
You don’t know your own history!

www.oxfordislamicstudies.com...

DENY IGNORANCE



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 05:17 PM
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The Golden Rule is "do unto others as you would have done unto you," yes?

Why is it wrong for an Islamist to sever a thief's hand, when he expects his own hand to be severed if he steals? He is doing unto another what he would have done unto himself if he had been exposed as a thief.
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posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 05:24 PM
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I understand the message of how idolatry can cause such damage to civilizations. Christianity is a religion of idolatry, although Jesus himself tried his hardest to keep the people from idolizing any man. How's that for hypocrisy? I don't consider myself religious, which is why I'm not afraid of the Muslim 'boogeyman.' But if I'm mistaken for an idolizer, well... #.



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 05:24 PM
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that koran book is pretty violent i dont see how anyone can use that as a guide wouldnt god want us all to get along instead of have the islams kill everyone



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 06:13 PM
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I'm sure if God exists then he will be above this immaturity. I think if God exists he'd have better means of educating humans rather than a) telling a man something in a cave b) crucifying your own respawning son on a cross c) other rediculous myth. I'm more than sure if God exists, he's beyond all that, the dogma of ancient scriptures is clearly man's work and not God's.
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posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 06:14 PM
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posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by JohhnyBGood
 


The only country Muslims colonized, the Turks in their heyday, were some in Eastern Europe.

They didn’t murder everybody there because they weren’t Muslims.

There was the Moors in the 15th century, I am talking about the 20 TH CENTURY.

Europe raped and robbed Muslim countries for decades

Know your modern history before you come here talking about things you know nothing about.

Don’t you know Asians, Africans as well as and South Americans [Indians] had to fight European invaders for freedom against colonization?

THOSE WERE CHRISTIAN ORGANIZED MURDER, RAPE, THEFT AND SLAVERY APPROVED BY THE POPE!

Remember even India [Mahatma Ghandi had to fight Britain for Indian freedom.

All the Middle East had to fight European countries for freedom from colonialism


You people read this link about the colonization of Muslim lands and learn something apart from Fox news.
You don’t know your own history!

www.oxfordislamicstudies.com...

DENY IGNORANCE





History - don't make me laugh! - your source is nothing but Saudi sponsored disinfo, history rewritten and sanitised to order to make Islam appear harmless.

Ask the Indians what they think of 'Ghandi' and how he gave their land to the Muslims: www.partitionofindia.com...

The colonoial era of the West lasted a few hundred yrs - was benign by contemporary standards, and we left improved nations as a result - Muslim conquered lands had thier cultures erased, forcibly converted, enslaved and populations massacred wholesale.



'Extremism' fear over Islam studies donations By Ben Leach 12:01AM BST 13 Apr 2008 Extremist ideas are being spread by Islamic study centres linked to British universities and backed by multi-million-pound donations from Saudi Arabia and Muslim organisations, a new report claims.

Eight universities, including Oxford and Cambridge, have accepted more than £233.5 million from Saudi and Muslim sources since 1995, with much of the money going to Islamic study centres, according to the report. The total sum, revealed by Anthony Glees, the director of Brunel University's Centre for Intelligence and Security Studies, amounts to the largest source of external funding to UK universities.

Arab donors have argued that their gifts to academic institutions help to promote understanding between the West and the Islamic world. However, Prof Glees claims in his unpublished report that the propagation of one-sided views of Islam and the Middle East at universities amounts to anti-Western propaganda. Prof Glees attracted controversy in 2005 when he claimed that up to 48 universities had been infiltrated by fundamentalists and warned that the threat posed by radical groups should be "urgently addressed".


www.telegraph.co.uk...




www.historyworld.net...

Arab and Muslim empirestimeline

634 Within two years of the death of Muhammad, the Arabs surge north into the Syrian desert 637 The Arabs defeat a Persian army at Kadisiya and then sack the city of Ctesiphon, effectively bringing to an end the Sassanian dynasty
638 The Arab capture of Jerusalem brings Palestine and Syria under Muslim control
642 The unopposed capture of Alexandria by the Arabs completes the Muslim conquest of Egypt 643 The Coptic Christians of Egypt become isolated after the Muslim conquest
644 After the assassination of Omar, Othman is elected as the third Muslim caliph
cont.....





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posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 06:29 PM
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Define terrorism



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 06:41 PM
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Sorry for not reading through all the pages.

I read another thread in which you said you havent even read the whole Quran. If that is so, then the quotes you ahve put up are verses most likely took from an agenda driven, propaganda induced, biased source, and that has resulted in a definite hate filled opinion.

To finish your post wanting to have a rational, debateable topic on this thread after the OP starting off with such a hate filled post, its quite insulting.

Im not going to get into this too much, not until you have given a better quotes taken from the Quran, that hasnt been a copy and paste job taking each and every verse out of its original context in scripture.

Anyone can read the English translation in the Quran, and understand that the context in which you have taken these verses, are propaganda induced for the real context an interpretation is very logical rational and with solid reasoning.

As for altering the Quran to suit common times, first of all coming from a religionists view this is God's word and who are you/we to change it.
Coming from an athiests view, trying to alter the Quran is absolutely impossible for you, or for the luciferic TPTB. It has been memorised and taught through 999999 generations. And if you think you can convince the Muslims to do so, is also impossible.

However its not all bad news for you OP, because yes one day Islam will disappear, and when the prophesised final revelations take place, it is only God that can remove Islam from Earth, The rapture/smoke will cause all muslims to die/disappear and all the scripture or text from all the Qurans will vanish.

So dont wory mate, i guess God is doing you a favour lol



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 06:47 PM
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Islam was spread through the sword. You had a choice. Convert or die. Even today, you are born a Muslim, and want to change, you're dead.

The Arabs Muslims beginning in 632AD swarmed the Eastern Roman Empire, and ran amok for 150 years.

It wasn't about colonization. It was about religious conquest.

A Holy War.

Now they're cranking up again.

Not a problem.

Never, and I mean NEVER have non-Westerners beaten westerners. Even modern Israel is a nation of Western immigrants.

Three mini-holy wars to date, and the Westerners still prevail.



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 06:48 PM
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What is extremism? What is terrorism? Walk a mile in another person's shoes. Look at the world through another person's perspective. If you try to really grasp and understand what I said, then you might see why labeling everything as an extremist or a terrorist is foolish.

It's like looking at the world through a single-colored lens. And even that analogy doesn't quite work, because I know some people who are colorblind who are some of the most gentle and compassionate people around.



posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 07:04 PM
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Are Zionist extremists fundamental because they are fundamental? Or is it because the Talmud is fundamentally extreme? The following are translations from the Talmud - Are they merely mistranslations? Has the meaning of these passages been ...lost over time?

"A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal." ~ Talmud

Get with the program ATS, and stop over promoting this crap, as if it is something new.



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