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Afghan girl raped, killed by US troops

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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 07:51 PM
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This just in on my new's desk!!!
Afghans kill thousands a year for jihad...
That is all.




posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 07:52 PM
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No. There is nothing about an excuse warranted here in this discussion.


your right, what your doing is justifying, my bad




Listen. You people are making this too easy. All you can deliver in your favor is invective, hyperbole, ad hominem and unsupported and ridiculous allegations.



you accuse others of ad hominem and then post the following:




Also, dude, your "support" link is a webpage called "Empire Burlesque" written by an avowed communist. How much lamer can you get. Once again, come back when your frontal lobes are fully cooked.


seems you've gone and shot yourself in the foot there, soldier.
Communist?
...don't think you can get lamer than that, I mean, that is sooo 1950's.




come back when your frontal lobes are fully cooked.


why would i want to cook my frontal lobes? WTF? Brain Fart?




Do American servicemen and women commit rape and sexual assault? Without a doubt. Just like they get parking tickets, DUIs, cheat on their taxes and murder each other.


I see, rape is no biggie for you. just something to be justified and minimized, next you'll be blaming the victims.




Listen. You people are making this too easy. All you can deliver in your favor is invective, hyperbole, ad hominem and unsupported and ridiculous allegations. I'm going to recommend that you noobs here at ATS do a little more reading and substantially more thought before you try to tangle with the big dogs out here.


you think of yourself as a big dog? hmmm... not gonna even go there,poochy.

p.s. I would'nt throw good money after bad

additional sources for those not suffering cognitive dissonance or under control of their R-complexes, and are willing to read links.

from a google search: military rape

Sexual Assaults on Female Soldiers: Don't Ask, Don't Tell

Military Culture Punishes Rape Victims instead of Rapists

Women at war: How roles are changing

Rape in the U.S. military How a fraternal culture and a habit of blaming the victim leave sexual violence unexamined and unpunished.

Military rape reports rise, prosecution still low


Alarms on sex assaults in military Tsongas helps win law on handling of cases By Bryan Bender – Boston.com – January 3, 2011 WASHINGTON — Soon after she arrived in Congress three years ago, Representative Niki Tsongas attended a luncheon in the Capitol honoring wounded soldiers. The Lowell Democrat, chatting with a military nurse who had served in Iraq and Afghanistan, heard something that shocked and motivated her. “She made the astonishing statement to me that she was more fearful of our own soldiers than she was of the enemy,’’ Tsongas recalled in an interview.

quoted from:Alarms on sex assaults in military Tsongas helps win law on handling of cases

from Comparing Military and Civilian Rape Rates


To place military rape rates in context, it is valuable to compare them with civilian rates. Comparisons of the crime rates of civilian and military populations during peacetime periods in 1986–92 reveal that contemporary peacetime rates of rape by American military personnel are actually lower (controlling for age and gender) than civilian rates. However, the data also indicate that peacetime military rape rates are diminished far less from civilian rates than are military rates for other violent offenses. This “rape differential” is also reflected in the World War II data: U.S. Army rape rates in Europe climbed to several times the U.S. civilian rates for that period, while military rates for other violent crimes were roughly equivalent to civilian rates. Thus, in both contexts studied, a rape differential exists: the ratio of military rape rates to civilian rape rates is substantially larger than the ratio of military rates to civilian rates for other violent crimes.


and last but not least:
ACLU lawsuit: Military won't release rape records



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 07:54 PM
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Well they do say in the article..


, Afghan sources, who requested anonymity, told Iran Newspaper on Network on Wednesday.


..and...


However, ISAF has told Press TV correspondent that they cannot confirm this report


So they have people that said this happened but they have no confirmation of it.

If it happened it is horrible - but there is not enough proof in the story to know if it really happened of if it is all made up or if the truth lies somewhere in the middle.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by TheAmused
This just in on my new's desk!!!
Afghans kill thousands a year for jihad...
That is all.


This just in btw America, and friends, have killed 6 million plus in the middle east since the beginning of this new post 911 occupation; more than half are innocent women and children not to mention men. What are you under the impression every "towel head" is a terrorist? LOL Iknow you arent that ignorant or if knowledgeable not that retarded.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Personally, I think they are a lot more reliable than most other media out there. I'm just saying, considering I'm only trained in politics, current events, Iran, propaganda, etc, so at least I personally know what is going on behind the media to make such a judgement call.


You'll forgive my difficulty accepting your expert testimony on global relations as anything more than uneducated hyperbole.

This is your quote from the most recent Sorcha Faal thread...


post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
 

The article mentions "GRU". Do they mean FSB Spetsnaz GRU?


There is nothing wrong with not knowing and open to learning but your statement lauding your qualifications to trump another's opinion on the matter looks rather silly in light of your question regarding the nature of the GRU.

I offer this as constructive criticism. Nothing more, nothing less.

As the years go on you may do well by remembering these words controversially attributed to Sir Winston Churchill...



If a man is not a socialist by the time he is 20, he has no heart. If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 08:05 PM
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Winston Churchill? Oh you mean the son of Jack the Ripper? lol nice source, but Bush Jr. probably is more relevant, of the murderous hei type, to these ahem members on ATS lol



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by fonenyc
This just in btw America, and friends, have killed 6 million plus in the middle east since the beginning of this new post 911 occupation; more than half are innocent women and children not to mention men.


Oh, really? 6 million men, women and children have been killed by US and Allied Forces since 11 Sep 2001?

Interesting. And you believe this figure to be correct?



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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Citing an Iranian Propaganda piece with zero facts other than them just assuming? And it's on the front page?

Boy this site has become more and more pathetic recently.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 08:08 PM
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reply to post by jerico65
 


Give or take but your point is?



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 08:09 PM
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reply to post by MegaCurious
 


not cool.

get the # out of their country !

shouldn`t been there in the first place.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by fonenyc
reply to post by jerico65
 


Give or take but your point is?


That's what I thought. How about a source or two to back up that claim? Remember, you said that 6,000,000 people have been killed directly by US or Allied Forces.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 08:17 PM
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You check the sources that is your job, I merely state my understanding and the opinion my sources from my research have formed! But really what is your point? Semantics? I doubt it..... I wonder what spooks do on their downtime? lol probably ruffle the feathers on ATS lmao .... so yeah dont act like them ahem and state your point



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 08:18 PM
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This is the best source I have found so far. Not 6 mill, but still a whole lot of people.
www.iraqbodycount.org...



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 08:26 PM
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Oh my lord........

Do people even bother reading the incident details anymore?


I haven't seen any in the latest killed by coalition troops. Most if not all the latest are either Crime related, Insurgents planting bombs or caused by Sectarian violence.

Iraqi body count Incidents

k16354 Bystander shot by security forces in clashes with gunmen, east Mosul 6 Jan 2011
k16353 Housing Ministry employee shot dead in car in Waziriya, northeast Baghdad 5 Jan 2011
k16352 One by bomb attached to minibus in Qadisiyah, west Baghdad 5 Jan 2011
k16351 Policeman shot dead in Islah Ziraei, west Mosul 5 Jan 2011
k16350 Woman shot dead in home in al-Jihad, west Kut 5 Jan 2011
k16349 Bodies of young man and woman found ishot dead in Ghabat al-Karediya, east Kut 5 Jan 2011
k16348 Female lawyer shot dead in car on Al-Muthanna Airport road, central Baghdad 4 Jan 2011
k16347 Old woman by bomb stuck to doorway of home, Hay al-Shuhada, Abu Ghraib 4 Jan 2011
k16346 Two teenage brothers by roadside bomb in al-Mashrouaa, east Dalouiya 4 Jan 2011
k16345 Christian woman shot or stabbed in home in Karrada, Baghdad 3 Jan 2011
k16344 Policeman in car shot dead in Sarafiya, northeast Baghdad 3 Jan 2011
k16343 1-3 by bombs, one suicide car bomb, in Al-Tikya, central Baquba 3 Jan 2011
k16342 City engineer shot dead in Nazim al-Tabaqjali Avenue, Adhamiya, Baghdad 2 Jan 2011
k16341 Policeman shot dead in al-Filahat, west of Falluja 2 Jan 2011
k16340 Nephew of judge by bomb at house in Al-Rufei'at, west of Balad 2 Jan 2011
k16339 One by car bomb in al-Athba, Qayyarrah 2 Jan 2011
k16338 Policeman shot dead in Baghdad 2 Jan 2011
k16337 Policeman in car shot dead in Baghdad Jadeeda 2 Jan 2011
k16336 Body of man found tortured and strangled in east Kirkuk 2 Jan 2011
k16335 Off-duty traffic police officer shot dead in al-Qanat Street, east Baghdad 2 Jan 2011
k16334 Lawyer from Association Defending Iraqi Prisoners shot dead in east Baghdad 2 Jan 2011
k16333 Body of girl found stabbed in Amara 2 Jan 2011
k16332 Wife of district mayor by bomb at home in Baquba 1 Jan 2011
k16331 1-2 shot dead in car on Mohammed al-Qadim highway, east Baghdad 1 Jan 2011
k16330 Police commissioner shot dead in his car in Baladiyat, east Baghdad 1 Jan 2011
k16329 Policeman shot dead at checkpoint west of Mosul 31 Dec 2010
k16328 Two elderly Christians by bomb on doorstep, Al-Ghadir, east Baghdad 30 Dec 2010
k16327 Military equipment shot owner by roadside bomb in Al-Jughaifi, Falluja 30 Dec 2010
k16326 Two from Christian by grenades in southwest Baghdad 30 Dec 2010
k16324 Man killed in garden of home in north Kirkuk 30 Dec 2010
k16325 Missing Kurdish policeman found shot dead in Jabara, south of Kifri 29 Dec 2010-
30 Dec 2010
k16323 Bodie of 5 men found shot dead in Al-Mashahdeh, Al-Tarmia 28 Dec 2010
k16322 Young man shot dead in car in Saydiya, southwest Baghdad 28 Dec 2010
k16321 Five police by car bomb in west Mosul 28 Dec 2010
k16320 Four-year-old girl by roadside bomb in Al Tahrir, south Baquba 28 Dec 2010
k16319 Seventeen by suicide bombings in Ramadi 27 Dec 2010
k16318 Kurdish driver of MP shot dead in car in Karrada, Baghdad 27 Dec 2010
k16317 1-3 by roadside bomb in Dujail 27 Dec 2010
k16316 Man accidentally shot by Iraqi army, al-Sihha tunnel, west Mosul 25 Dec 2010
k16315 Five from Shiite family when house bombed in Al-Iskandariya 24 Dec 2010
k16313 Surgeon shot dead in car in Adel, west Baghdad 23 Dec 2010
k16312 Sunni Sheikh shot dead in Khan Dari, Abu Ghraib 23 Dec 2010
k16311 Member of Patriotic Union of Kurdistan found shot dead in Kirkuk 23 Dec 2010
k16314 Jewellery store owner shot dead in Dura, south Baghdad 22 Dec 2010-
23 Dec 2010
k16310 Man shot dead in car in Al-Urayfiyah, central Baghdad 22 Dec 2010
k16309 Policeman from Talafar, working for customs, shot dead in Al-Quds, east Mosul 22 Dec 2010
k16308 Body of 33-year-old woman found shot dead near al-Bayati, west of Kirkuk 22 Dec 2010
k16307 Body of young man found shot dead in al-Dabouni, north Kut



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 08:26 PM
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No one knows how many people have been killed. Who would know? What are we measuring anyway, when we talk about how many people we, the US and allies, are killing? Are we totally insane?
Life means nothing, if 100,000 lives are nothing, but 6 million suddenly becomes significant.
Children are suffering because of the western corporatism that spreads death and destruction in its wake. Somehow we pretend it is okay to destroy people because we are convinced that they are "bad". What does that make us? Who have we saved?
Maybe it is not 6 million. Maybe it is far more than that. What damn difference does it make? Hold a baby in your hands and you will care about ONE goddam child, if nothing else.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by fonenyc
You check the sources that is your job,


No, you made the claim, you come up with the sources.


Originally posted by fonenyc
I merely state my understanding and the opinion my sources from my research have formed!


So what are those "sources" that you claim to have found?


Originally posted by fonenyc
But really what is your point? Semantics? I doubt it.....


Yep, my point is that I want to see a source that proves that 6 million civilians were killed by US and Allied Forces.


Originally posted by fonenyc
I wonder what spooks do on their downtime? lol probably ruffle the feathers on ATS lmao .... so yeah dont act like them ahem and state your point


My point is: Where are your sources to back up the claim that US and Allied Forces have killed 6 million men, women and children in the Middle East.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
This is the best source I have found so far. Not 6 mill, but still a whole lot of people.
www.iraqbodycount.org...


Well, at least it wasn't that BS Lancet Survey that was taken a few years back. The one that had questionable sources and methods.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 08:30 PM
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What's your point? All those people are still dead because we decided to invade their country.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by Stewie
No one knows how many people have been killed. Who would know? What are we measuring anyway, when we talk about how many people we, the US and allies, are killing? Are we totally insane?
Life means nothing, if 100,000 lives are nothing, but 6 million suddenly becomes significant.
Children are suffering because of the western corporatism that spreads death and destruction in its wake. Somehow we pretend it is okay to destroy people because we are convinced that they are "bad". What does that make us? Who have we saved?
Maybe it is not 6 million. Maybe it is far more than that. What damn difference does it make? Hold a baby in your hands and you will care about ONE goddam child, if nothing else.


Without getting this thread too far off track, how about considering this? How many innocent women and children have been killed by insurgents? How many of these innocents have been blown up by car bombs on the way to the market?

Posters on ATS get all fired up about civilian deaths (and they should), but only when it comes to anyone killed by the US.

Civilians that are murdered by insurgents don't get a passing thought on ATS. Unless it's to somehow turn the blame around to the US.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
What's your point? All those people are still dead because we decided to invade their country.


So, what you're saying is this:

Civilians killed by a US Missile strike = It's the fault of the US.

Civilians killed in a market by a carbomb set off by insurgents = It's the fault of the US.




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