The fasict Left of america

reply to post by antonia


actually it is and what the left has done has been nothing but pure evil

they have done nothing for freedom they only thing they are about is free

and free and freedom are two different entire animals

and this really shows the lack of your own character attacking spelling and attacking me.

guess you never make and typos whatsoever i guess you were just born perfect

but then again the only people that are perfect are the leftists the liberals and the democrats

they again are the only people who have a right to speak

Originally posted by neo96
nazi weapons law march 18th 1938

I'm the last one to criticize anyone for creating a not-very-well thought out, poorly written and ill-informed thread in order to bait and get some attention.

But I do strongly reject and criticize citing bogus history in support of your premises. The Nazi's did not need gun control laws to attain power and there certainly wasn't any wide-spread confiscation of guns by the Nazis. The whole argument of Nazi Gun control is totally dishonest and taken out of context in those links. Expanding an already existing law (that was created under the Weimar Republic, not the Third Reich) and then taking no practical measures to enforce it is hardly being strict concerning private gun ownership. Terrible links, ignorant of basic facts, spinned to a dizzying degree. I wouldn't recommend them.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by antonia

 

actually it is and what the left has done has been nothing but pure evil

What is? Are you again saying the fascism is of the left? Are you saying Bike lanes and 40 hour work weeks are evil? Are saying the end of child is labor is evil? Those are accomplishments of the left you know.

they have done nothing for freedom they only thing they are about is free

and free and freedom are two different entire animals

I can't even respond. This makes no sense.

and this really shows the lack of your own character attacking spelling and attacking me.

guess you never make and typos whatsoever i guess you were just born perfect

Yea, and it shows your great character when you start a thread bashing liberals once again and insulting them. Guess what, when you disrespect me, I will not respect you. Tit for tat baby.

reply to post by NichirasuKenshin


is it now the left has essentially disarmed this country
the left has made so they the government the police are better armed and better trained and any average american

actually think why they would even do this.

the left continually runs off the wealth in this country
the left continually destroys jobs in this country
the left controls the food supply in the country by farm subsidies
the left continuallys has kept and continues to put more people on the governement dime

so or later the money will run out sooner or later there will be no jobs

and when people have no homes no food and no jobs no money to actually live on you will see a level of anger in this country of which you never thought possible

and when a public is anger the first thing they are going to turn to is a gun plain and simple and then go after the people who they think are responsible and thats if they arent consfiscated and the owners shot.

much like how hitler and his henchmen lived it up in the lap of luxury the german people suffered and lived in poverty

the social liberal elites will be living it up will the american living and will be living into a degree of poverty level that no one ever thought possible in this country

then those people will go straight after the elites but with no means to defend themselves no american no average american has any chance agianst its own military it doesnt.

reply to post by antonia


what so hard to get about free and freedom ?

the left is nothing but about leaving americans alone it is all about enslaving them you people just dont want to admit it

and the left is all about getting free free homes free cars free money free educations free everything.

if you cant grasp that concept when you give people things you take power over them its a simple concept.

that is pure evil when you dont empower a people but created tools to keep them enslaved



and again if you people think what i said are insults then thats you own problem.

sometimes the truth hurts

reply to post by neo96


Thanks, I needed that laugh.

You sit around and call the left evil all the damn time then you expect them not to be insulted. You have no idea what you are talking about.

reply to post by antonia


actually i do and this is why you are at where you are at today and why you will always be there.

you sir have no future in this country i have no future in this country no one does.

simple fact people will not open their eyes to a clear problem that this nation is facing.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by antonia

 

actually i do and this is why you are at where you are at today and why you will always be there.

You don't know where I am or what I'm doing. My life is good, if it keeps going like this I will be doing well.

The problem here is you refuse to back your statements up. You keep throwing out "Hitler was leftist" and "Fascists are leftists", but you can't qualify that. You are flying in the face of over 40 years of accepted historical fact. You might want to try something other than "the liberals are teh evil!".

And you will just turn it around with "Teh historians are teh liberals and ebul!"

This is just pointless. If you want to see yourself talk go stand in front of a mirror.

reply to post by antonia


see now theres where your wrong your life can take a drastic turn at any moment and unless you have saved or invested and planned for the worst case scenario you will end up on the governments dime..

lets make one thing perfectly clear when a party being the left in this case has amassed such an enormous amount of power and it continues to take more power and will never stop it becomes a danger.

thats not a hard concept to grasp the more power any party has ever gained it has become more corrupt and more dangerous.

if the republican had amassed such a large amount of power and reach so far into americans lives i would be speaking about them simple fact they havent.

the democratic party of today now has more power reached into every single american life than at any other time in history.


and if they continue the status quote they will never stop and the simple fact if no one stops them this country has no chance in hell and when that happens that corruption will be radicalized to more dangerous school oft thought.


"accepted history fact" that has been white washed and rewritten by the liberal educations and media machines

yeah it is a problem for the simple fact i am going to use this analgy for the simple fact it works.

its like being an alcoholic people are alcoholics because they refuse to recognize they have a problem because that beer and shot of jack is just too good.

this country is the alcoholic and the drug in this case is the liberal democratic party the path you people want to take is just self destructive as the alcohol.

life in america is going to get a hell of alot worse because all you people will not see the root cause of it all

its a simple fact people can not having everything in the world they want thats a fact- thats a fact.


and actually when people will start to realize that then that leads to the road of self recovery.

reply to post by neo96


If you are suggesting that fascism is a product of leftist thought, then I dont see how you can see yourself qualified to breathe in and out, let alone comment on political matters. I will tell you this for free... it is a ironclad FACT that fascism is a product of right wing agendas. It has nothing to do with leftist thinking, in fact it is the absolute opposite of what left leaning people want for thier families or nations.
Swastika bearing trailer trash, who assault blacks and jews are RIGHT wing people,with right wing veiws. Do NOT confuse them with lefties. We dont take kindly to xenophobia, which is exactly why you will find left wing activists fighting the KKK and the anti semites quietly and carefully, rather than kicking black folks around for a laugh.
Now , you can argue the toss if you like, but you cannot change the fact that anyone on the right wing of politics is stepping on a path already walked by Hitler , Mussolini, and every bottom feeding rascist scumbag who ever walked the earth. No matter how carefuly a person treads on that path, its STILL the same path.

Originally posted by TrueBrit
reply to post by neo96

 

If you are suggesting that fascism is a product of leftist thought, then I dont see how you can see yourself qualified to breathe in and out, let alone comment on political matters.

Across the pound I see...

This is what FOX news did here, they pushed this angle and have reprogramed damn near half the population.
It is really bad here.

Is the right in GB this unscrupulous?

Re write history for short term political gains?

It is madness

reply to post by TrueBrit


what party was the vehicle that led to fascism friend? what party?

the national socialists germans workers party under neath the guise of socialism and what party in american open embraces the socialist agenda? what party? the liberal democratic party.


then what about the lefts non stop attacking any isreal,jews,christians and any ideals contrary to their own.

did you missed the fact the left created the kkk? did that just pass right over your head?


acutally if you look at any democrat in this countrys history in american the left has walked on the path of hitler than any right winger ever has.



look at what wilson,rooselvet,truman,kennedy,johnson,clinton,obama have done look at everything they have done.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by TrueBrit

 

what party was the vehicle that led to fascism friend? what party?

the national socialists germans workers party under neath the guise of socialism and what party in american open embraces the socialist agenda? what party? the liberal democratic party.

If you're suggesting that the Nazis were Socialist in their policy then you are strongly deluded. Maybe you should open a history book or so once in a while. The term "Nationalist Socialist" originated in the late 10's of the 20th century as a bourgeouis-oriented, strongly nationalist answer to the traditional internationalist, union-based, activist Socialism. Socialism is a line of political thought that has many aspects, the term National Socialist as it originated in Bohemia and Moravia after the first world war was decidedly pro-Ordnung, pro-Kapital, pro Nation - all three anathema to all traditional brands of Socialism (except, maybe, those extremist Russians that labeled themselves Socialist until an American Millionaire convinced them that "Communism" was a better brand name.

Well anyway. You can either parrot Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism, that has absolutely no standing among any serious historian anywhere in the world, or you can read the stuff for yourself and actually form an opinion on your own. It's clear that you won't do the latter - But in that case maybe it would be better not to take this extremely "this is the truth" stance, kind of embarrasing when you lack a basic understanding of history and political thought.

mises.org...

Fascism is usually counted a movement of the Right; but, as Goldberg notes, many leftists viewed Mussolini with sympathy.

reply to post by neo96


So if someone that you consider a leftist had a liking for Mussolini in the 1920's that makes National Socialism leftist?

Yeah, that's very reasonable.

reply to post by NichirasuKenshin


and you can parrot what every liberal in this country has taught you to think but then aigan they are the only who have rewritten this countrys history for decades.

after all the left was in power while fdr was president and the victor does write the history or supposed history


for a group of people that dont want to admit they are nazis they fascists you people have done nothing but use their tactics.

you still hate
you still demean
you deflect
you shift blame
you tell me to shut up
you still murder, beleifs, values,ideals
you still assinate character
you still burn books and ideals are thoughts given a physical form
you still excert your will over people with different beliefs other than your own.

in fact you people act like them and do it with joy.

reply to post by neo96


Historians write history, not victors. Americans don't write German history, at least not really in the sense of research. Studying the Nazis political actions - not the label that they gave their party, and by the way, the Arbeiterpartei-part did not come from Hitler, but from Drexler - will give you a clear impression of the anti-left, antisocialist pattern of their thought and actions. Not even Jonah Goldberg denies that there is no single policy taken by the Nazis that can be consider Socialist in nature - that's why he builds his whole case on the supposed ideological connection (which is basically made up or made due to lack of proper historical knowledge - the Austrian origins of the "Socialist" in NSDAP are pretty well known outside of the Libertarians basements).

But anyway. You're neither capable of, nor interested in, having a discussion. So I'll just piss back at your nonsense.

reply to post by NichirasuKenshin


thanks for proving me right yet again.

reply to post by neo96


So how Socialist were the Nazis?

A big public housing program, right? (Not)

A big fan of Unions, right?`(Not)

Totally hostile to private ownership of the means of production, right? (Not)

Totally non-traditional, anti-burgeouis, right? (Not)

Totally participational, not exclusionist, right? (Not)

Totally and consistently pro-Regulation, right? (Not)

Totally international and cooperative, right? (Not)


I could go on, but the point is made. I have just listed 7 positions that the Nazis held that destroy any attempts to label them socialist.

If this were an adult discussion, you would now either a) refute any of the points I made above or b) present even one policy that is as clearly socialist as my examples are anti-socialist.

Well neo96, you've certainly struck some nerves. Overall I like the thread and give you a S&F for your efforts. Though I don't agree with all that you've said I believe that I have an understanding of where you're coming from and the points you're trying to make. Unlike a good many who want to hang the label of "troll" around your neck I see that some serious thought has gone into your message. That, to me at least, counts for much more than spelling or grammar. It also seems that here on ATS when you've run out of other rotten things to say about an opponent you make a hard stab at their intelligence. A real favorite with the "my dad can beat up your dad" crowd.

I made it through two years of Poli/Sci in college (one of my favorite subjects) and I suppose that I'm about as well versed in the accepted definitions, labels and theory as the average bear. At least enough to wade through the fascist versus communist arguments. But, in truth, I don't see that as being all that important in the main.

I say that because we seem to be sidetracked with the semantics. I realize that we humans by nature want to pigeonhole and label everything in our lives but at some point this tangent leads to secondary disputes and the original issue is lost in the shuffle.

We are in uncharted territory these days. Old paradigms are failing. Classic and accepted definitions are insufficient. Black is becoming white and the good guys of old are now the resident evil among us. Are we on the verge or revelation or revolution?

I tossed the left versus right paradigm out the window many moons ago. It just doesn't work any more A case in point is the neo-con phenomenon. A good many people don't realize who the neo-cons in the Bush Whitehouse were. They were former Democrats who, with very little change in their political beliefs, jumped ship to become Republicans. So much for labels.

There seems to be great confusion about communism versus fascism. My question is "does it matter"? The two boil down to total state control of everything with the only difference being who controls the state. They are not polar opposites as many would assume. How will my life be changed by any significant degree whether the tyranny professes fascism or communism. Is there such a thing as a benevolent dictator?

Trying to blame any one side for all of our problems is Pollyanna to a frightening degree. A jackboot is a jackboot no matter whether the foot inside is Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative, communist or fascist.

Stop focusing on what is said and zero in on what is done. Let their actions speak louder than their words. Forget the labels. If the neo-cons have taught us anything it is how completely worthless labels are. The white hats and the black hats have merged into the gray hats- they're all evil bastards.

If you want to get right down to the nitty gritty then I believe that we need to ditch the whole collectivist mindset. If it ignores the rights, liberties, opportunities of the individual it's bad for all of us. The individual is the basic unit of community and country. The individual invents and creates. The notion of humanity reduced to worker bees under any banner sickens me.

In my wide travels I have never once seen in any town square a monument to a committee. The individual makes us great. When I protect you as an individual I, at the same time, am protecting myself.

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I think a lot of people who like to call themselves one thing or the other might surprise themselves. I thought for a while that if you ventured into the political areas of ATS it should be mandatory to take the test and post the results. It is an excellent way to see the perspective someone is coming from in a discussion. I was turned onto this by a fellow ATS'er and I wish that I could remember their handle to give them credit.