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The fasict Left of america

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posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 05:54 PM
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reply to post by Rede2go
 


you are so right no matter who is sent to washington the system is corrupt and it will be corrupt and it will always continue to be so.

you are right as well the people of this country its beleifs or values have not been truly repesented in a long long time.

the american people are nothing but sheep and apparently some welcome it and their numbers are too great at the moment.

americans will not acknowledge the very problem of all its problems so it will never be fixed it truly is sad this country and it grew and it prospered for hundreds of years it is clear as day to me that it will meet it end soon.

every single country in world history has risen and fallen from its own greed, its own ignorance and its own corruption. i have no hope for america i grew up in it will never come back it will never.

the american of the past believed in justice they beleived in freedom they beleived in equality for all and the powers will not ever give up that control, that manipulation for the simple fact they cant have a world where they are not needed.




posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 06:32 PM
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Neo, I do appreciate your bravado and enthusiasm concerning the state of our nation.

I only have two problems with your left and right classifications and that the South lost the civil war.

After much study I have found that I and many other Americans could easily fall into the left or right group. I uphold some of the right attributes and also some of the Lefts attributes.

What I don't do is share the beliefs of either the left and right without question.

As much as I despise labels this situation can only lead me to the conclusion that left and right are outdated labels. I would not want to be considered a leftist or a right winger.

We need to redefine the two stated political groups and add a third group.

What we need is a third group that covers radical upstarts that have the best interest of our country and all Americans as it's goal. People like you and me who see thru the lies of the MSN and our government.

Yes I am radical. I set goals and go after them with heart and vigor and I don't stop until I get what I know is right.

Nothing good is going to happen in our country until more people get off their butts and get radical.

The squeaky wheel gets the oil.

And the second idea I disagree with you about is that the South lost the war. The south realized there was much money to be made if it made it appear that the North won.

Ever since the end of the civil war the Yankees have traveled by bus, plane and train to get to the south to spend their money.

Without a single doubt we here on the Georgia coast have gotten well insulated with money that keeps pouring in from the North. Our islands here are bulging with Yankees spending their money on sea shells and even moss.

Some yanks even pay a few hundred dollars for an alligator skull. Imagine that.

Moral is: Hang on to your wallet when you are dealing with that good old boy or Southern Belle. We have become expert at separating a Yankee from his money and making him like it.

LOL yes Sir Boss man I'll sell you as many cans of Swamp gas that you want. We also have cans of pure Georgia Whip Ass too that sells very well.

I do love you my Northern friends but danged if y'all won't fall for anything.

But I digress. Neo don't stop making noise. All you need is a little fine tuning.


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posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 06:40 PM
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i will be the first to admit that i do need refinement i am still relatively new at this.


and we are all americans left right wrong or right north or south that is one of those things that made us great is our diversity and its the biggest reason that it is tearing itself apart.





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posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 06:48 PM
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nazi weapons law march 18th 1938


constitutionalistnc.tripod.com...


dude you have my thanks for bringing this to my attention




realdemocrathistory.wordpress.com...




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posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by dizziedame
 


i will be the first to admit that i do need refinement i am still relatively new at this.


and we are all americans left right wrong or right north or south that is one of those things that made us great is our diversity and its the biggest reason that it is tearing itself apart.




If you truly believe this, quit the name calling, the finger pointing, the hateful references and offer up some positive input instead of the trite Rush, Beck, Sean, Savage and Orilley insults. We have heard them for a long time here at ATS and frankly they have become stale and ineffective.

To be honest I think all reason has left your conscientiousness and you enjoy your cyber rants; painting everything with a broad brush, black and white, with no room for discussion. The American system is much to complex to with many different social systems to make it into an either/or mode of thinking.
Many conservatives have come before you with the same cut and paste from the Limbaugh letter but at least they had the honor and command of the English language to capitalize America when they used it in a sentence. Even if I disagreed with their politics they were honorable men and patriots. The least you could do is show the country a little respect by capitalizing her name. Or do you really even care?


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posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 07:16 PM
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I don't like the left/progressives/Democrats very much, let's get that out of the way.

But what I am hating even more is BOTH sides dramatic name calling of the other side. If your side is the correct side, you shouldn't have to resort to silly name calling of the other side. I don't care if it's the left calling the right Nazi's or the right calling the left communists, it's all getting rather childish, "you smell" no.... "You Smell!".....

It's starting to get like a girls cat-fight. Myself, I'd rather it be a boxing match with the ideas doing the punching. Knockout the other side with the merit of your ideas.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
reply to post by neo96
 


Seems to me that the Patriot Act is the engine that has driven America closer to Fascism than any other mechanism. That would have been Bush and his notorious cabal of lefties.


Just a quick thought, because I would absolutely 100% agree with you that the Patriot Act was a horrifying engine of Fascism if it hadn't had a sunset.

As opposed as the left seemed to be to the Patriot Act, it really surprised me that Obama extended it. Just goes to show that values aren't as important as power in Washington.



Too many people are too involved in the left vs. right argument. We all know "good right-wingers" and "good lefties", but the people in power are starting to go beyond those labels and taking up the mantle of progressivism instead. Growing government to ridiculous extremes, in order to gain and hold more and more power.

Both parties are absolutely guilty of this. Democrats claim Republicans do it through police states and bigotry, and Republicans claim Democrats do it through over-regulation and bloated government agencies/spending/etc. What really needs to change is the size and power of government, and a re-focus on the limits of power that were put into place by the constitution.

That won't happen though. I think we're probably too far gone. Right now, Washington is a self-infecting disease, and without a massive overhaul (beyond just the efforts of the "real" tea-party), new arrivals in leadership will just be taken into the status-quo by the elite that are already there.

I won't say these left vs. right discussions are pointless though, because they're absolutely not. We all need to know where the other side is coming from, to stop us from assigning ridiculous labels and baseless charges (yeah, it could be way worse). What's important, though, is that we actually listen to the other side of the argument, rather than just waiting for our turn to talk.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 07:21 PM
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so the labels are only insulting when its being done to someone else but when its done back to the insulters its not accepted nor tolerated nor wanted.

last time i checked no right winger media personality has never said anything close to what i have and further more.

AND A furthermore you took offense to labeled slapped on you like labels are slapped on me and every other right winger in this country and look at what you did. LOOK at what you did you basically are telling me to shut up and because you dont want to listen to me.

and you know noone made you read through this thread while you may not think you are a leftists a liberal or democrat but then agian you think those labels are insults i wonder why that is.

you dont think your a fascist or a nazi or whatever then STOP ACTING LIKE ONE because that is what you are clearly doing.

murder any ideals or beleifs other than your own.



for the record by the way i dont listen to any one those people



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 07:51 PM
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Yes, we need to all stop acting like nazi's and and go back to the original plan-- pre-emptive invasions of multiple countries in the Middle East. We need to amp up the Patriot Act domestic spy bill, and really get back into the mindset that, if you're not against the terrorist, you are the terrorist. And why haven't we heard anything about the terrorist threat level lately. How the hell can we expect the public to be scared into fighting our wars if we can't give them a solid update on threat level Orange?

Everyone knows, it wasn't the pre-emptive invasions, the breaking of Geneva Convention, or the hatred and violence directed against a particular religious group that was the reason Hitler was so evil.... it was his social programs.




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posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 08:02 PM
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since you brought up the war issue lets run with it for a second shall we

world war 1,world war 2,korean war, vietnam,kosovo/bosnia,somalia let us remember who were the sitting presidents shall we let us remember what party they all were from.

let us remember how many millions of americans died let us remember how many millions of other people that were killed.

let us remember who funded and built the greatest weapon in this worlds history and let use remember who actually used it and not only used it once but twice.


flying planes into buildings, using women and children as human shields, cutting off womens noses, strapping bombs onto people and use them as cannon fodder and beheading and burning people after they were dead

are all against the geneva convention but no wait they never signed it.

ignoring the hatred and violence directed at this country and it primarlly being a christian country and dismissing and manipulating its people for political power is evil sir.

and if you really want to get down to it the lefts socials programs have people done nothing keep the american people enslaved and impoverished for decades a bit hitleresque if you ask me.

good day to you





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posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by BlueLightRain
I never thought I would be talking like this because of my beliefs but the left is pushing socialisim like crazy. My biggest fear is that the bill gets passed stating everyone must buy health insurence. I can't afford it. Also, its the left who is taking away guns, bit torrent and anything "offensive" to them. I do not associate with the left nor the right. I am my own political party, common sense. Its time for a real change. Not just an empty promise.


Are they fascist or socialist? Can you explain how it could possibly be both?

Who is taking your guns away? Where? When is this happening? No one has come for mine. I can still buy more.

What is the left trying to censor? Specific examples please? I thought the left was the party of depraved perverts but now they are censoring everything offensive? Can you clear some of this up?



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 08:14 PM
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Look what the people in power have been doing for the past couple of years. Bush started it with his bailout and Obama has taken the ball and ran with it. Government control of 2 out of 3 automakers, attempting to take over the banks, taken over healthcare, stopped oil drilling of our own coast. Obama wants to create mandatory service for young people. They want to impose cap and trade which would make utility bills sky rocket. The mainstream media and the Fed verbally attack any who disagree with them. They try to smear them and paint them to be racists in some occasions. This is all socialism.
It closely resembles the ideals and tactics of the national-socialists movement of nazi Germany. The total take over of government, manufacturing, and agriculture at the Federal level. EXCEPT for the hatred and extermination of other races.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
hitler created the villians much like how the left and obama has created the villians
of today those "evil" rich,banks,corporations,republicans,teaparties.


You need to make your mind real quick, because the right wingnuts say that Obama acually bailed out "evil" rich banks and corporations. If you count yourself as "right", you risk schizophrenia (or maybe it's too late).


obama have manipulated the american public that the rich,the banks,
the corporations do not have the right to exist.


Yeah, that's why he showered the likes of AIG and GM with money! Nice logic here, dude!



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 08:19 PM
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i neglected issues those man

the hitler youth modern day paralellthe obama youth

the total take over of government right agian and i did forget about the governmental interference when it came to farmers and subsidies actually telling people what they can and cant grow and more over how much they can be paid.


and we still have the extermination of race the extermination of any school of thought that tell government to beggar off.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 08:20 PM
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if you think obama did that for the good of any american think agian he did so he could assert his will on those things he just cant stand. he did it for nothing but power


he now has the power to fire and hire
he now how the power to say how much anyone can make
he now has the power to end any business in america if he so chooses.


that is something bush clearly did not do



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posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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if you think obama did that for the good of any american think agian he did so he could assert his will on those things he just cant stand. he did it for nothing but power


Oh, that's grand. Look around, all the people you call friends are just pretenders and are looking to exploit you! They just helped you out recently because they are getting closer to asserting their will on you! Beware...

What a lame argument indeed...



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 08:22 PM
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This thread reads like a 15 year old who has recently become obsessed with ring wing pundits.
And is now regurgitating all the "information" he absorbed.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 08:26 PM
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and this comment is nothing but what a 15 year old would do if you want to make a comment challenge the initial post



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 08:27 PM
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no the lame arguement is your post.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 08:28 PM
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The democratic left has been trying since FDR to push us into a socialist form of government. Obama and the others in there now are trying to cram it all in while they have control. The american people would never agree to a socialist or fascist form of government at once. It has been a long term plan/goal of the left.
The people in power now have tryed to move it along too fast. Thats why the Tea party is popular and becoming stronger now. More Americans than ever are realizing what they are trying to do. The tea party and other free thinking groups like liberatarians are pushing back against the fed.
As all Americans should realize the socialist/fascist form of government does not work. It hurts the working class people more than anyone else. For a recent perspective look at Greece. If you don't believe me talk to someone that lived under the USSR, Red China, or Cuba.



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