The fasict Left of america

Originally posted by neo96






and if you really want to get down to it the lefts socials programs have people done nothing keep the american people enslaved and impoverished for decades a bit hitleresque if you ask me.

Granted unemployment is up but who exactly is enslaved. I'm not! I'm an owner of 3 businesses and I pay my people very well. The store shelves are all full, housing starts are beginning to pick up, New SUVs everywhere I look, Please tell me how the American people are enslaved and impoverished.
Anyone, yes anyone with a little knowledge, drive and a willingness to work can make it in this country of opportunity and plenty. All this crybaby whineing sure gets old.

I see mothers with their bratty kids out shopping buying ugly overpriced junk from China, young men paying $100 for a pair of shoes, driving away in a Mercedes, People working making a living, making families, enjoying life. Kids going to school, bringing home projects to show their parents, Young folks kissing and in love.

I pity you that your life is so filled with darkness, bitterness and hate for others.

Where do you live that you see such a horrible, ugly America?

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by hippomchippo

 

and this comment is nothing but what a 15 year old would do if you want to make a comment challenge the initial post

Sure it is.
And what do you want me to respond with? More name calling?
It took one paragraph for you to get to hitler in your OP, it's laughable, really.
You've been blinded so much you seemed to have supported the patriot act in this thread...
You're nothing but a parrot for the Rights main stream media.

reply to post by whaaa


whaa who is enslaved the over 40 millions americans on welfare receiving any form of government assistance

social security,medicare,food stamps,disabilites while you do live a good life those people are living in poverty

and thats the life they will always lead and it will be never any better that man that who is enslaved.

the rest of us are enslaved with their laws their bills like the second ammedment like the new healthcare law

they have absoultely given themselves the power of god.


and while you have that good life right now that can change in a heartbeat at a moments noticed if you get ill or an accident that makes you unable to work then you will become a slave and impverished.

one of the points i have tried to make on this site is when you do for yourself you will always ALWAYS have a better life than the government will give you.

and there are way way to many americans today who arent willing who are ignorant and simply choose to just sit back on their behinds and sit and wait til someone comes give them everything they want.

like i said you are different than the majoity of americans today but there are far far too many people who are exatcly like i have described.

reply to post by hippomchippo


actually what is laughable is the only thing that you and other people have is name calling.

and that is very telling not one has come to defend those indefensable actions in the intial post.


the majority of the posting is this thread has been nothing but childish.


its like ohhhh im going to run to my mommy cause i didnt like what you said.


this is the biggest differences between the left and the right

the left say the believe in the freedom of speech for them selves but noone else

the only freedom of speech is only when you "parrot" what every other leftist and liberal says.

and aigan this speaks the the lefts intolerance and bigotry.


you have my thanks for proving points

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by spiritualzombie

 

since you brought up the war issue lets run with it for a second shall we

world war 1,world war 2,korean war, vietnam,kosovo/bosnia,somalia let us remember who were the sitting presidents shall we let us remember what party they all were from.

let us remember how many millions of americans died let us remember how many millions of other people that were killed.

let us remember who funded and built the greatest weapon in this worlds history and let use remember who actually used it and not only used it once but twice.


flying planes into buildings, using women and children as human shields, cutting off womens noses, strapping bombs onto people and use them as cannon fodder and beheading and burning people after they were dead

are all against the geneva convention but no wait they never signed it.

ignoring the hatred and violence directed at this country and it primarlly being a christian country and dismissing and manipulating its people for political power is evil sir.

and if you really want to get down to it the lefts socials programs have people done nothing keep the american people enslaved and impoverished for decades a bit hitleresque if you ask me.

good day to you

edit on 22-9-2010 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

Ha! And I say good day to you, too, SIR! Now that we got that out of the way...

I'm an independent... I don't buy into the B.S. of either side. I don't need to go back and look at which President's were associated with which party. The game of world domination is a slow game of Chess, SIR. It requires many pieces to be moved, some here at home, others in far away countries.

But I say as an independent to you, SIR, if you think we are living in Nazi era today, SIR, I can only imagine what you must have been thinking when this whole thing went down in 2001. When we received a nice little public-war-support package known as 9/11... similar to what the Germans had in the Reichstag Fire... all the reason we will ever need to invade country after country. All the reason we will ever need to choose security over civil liberty. What were you thinking when torture became common place, when the Patriot Act was created to allow limitless spying on Americans, how shocked and appalled you must have been when you saw threat levels go up at a time of re-election, and the Right tell us we will be attacked again if we don't keep Bush in office, and of course, the ever absent WMDs... our official reason for invading Iraq.

Open your eyes, SIR... this evil has been going on for a long time... Threat level is RED. Just you and I talking emboldens the enemy. Do not think, Invade! Do not talk, FIGHT!

War on Terrorism, SIR. That's where it's at. Where the places and faces change, you never know who might be the next terrorist at large. (Though the PNAC gives a pretty good breakdown).

Originally posted by rakkasansct
The democratic left has been trying since FDR to push us into a socialist form of government. Obama and the others in there now are trying to cram it all in while they have control.

I am still a little confused here. The thread title clearly says Fasict. I believe it is supposed to mean Fascist but it most certainly does not say socialist. Now I see the same argument being used to claim they are both? Do either of you know the difference between the two?

reply to post by spiritualzombie


your an independent eh and yet the one of the things you bring up was the patriot act and here agian

i have to ask just how exactly has the patriot act effected your personal civil liberty?

you speak to me of torture becomming common place obviously you are referring to waterboarding but then agian any sane person doesnt want to be waterboarded all they have to do is talk.

i have never heard any independent or leftist or liberal ever mention the mental and verbal torture of anyone on the right the emotional stress and toll all their bigotry and hate and anger .

and the left tell us NO republican should ever be heard or listened to or even in power. the only people who have the right to exist in this country are the leftists.

i do agree the evil has been going on for far to long


war on the republicans the right that is where its at the faces do change the the places never change and yes just in time for election


i think you missed understood one thing i have never actually condone the patriot act i am just trying to get people to see that when you compare it to the second ammendment and the hcr bill it wasnt as evil as it has been made out to be.

reply to post by Curiousisall


curious socialsm was hijacked by fascism

hitler and his followers hijacked the socialist movement to place himself in power.

I didn't start this thread. I'm giving my opnion on the socialist push by the left and some on the right. National-socialism is more of a hybrid of communism, socialism, and fascism. I beleieve they are trying to push a hybrid agenda of these types of governments today. I call it socialism for simplicity.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Curiousisall

 

curious socialsm was hijacked by fascism

hitler and his followers hijacked the socialist movement to place himself in power.

Distract me with an empty statement while you take a little longer looking up the difference.
I wish questions were easier to answer for some people.

reply to post by rakkasansct


I know you did not start the thread but this is the thread you chose to post in. The author claims the left is fascist while you volunteered that you agree that they are socialist. I hope you can understand why I might genuinely be confused as to which you think it is. I know that if I listen to right wing radio all day long- because I do, I am told again and again to use those words interchangably but that is not how the real world works. They are two different words because they are two differeing things. Now do you agree with the OP or do you feel they are socialist instead of fascist?

reply to post by Curiousisall


well now since you want to get an attitude about whats what heres a tip for you.


how about you actually go to google and type in fascism and socialism instead of coming here and and try to get spoonfed the information you are seeking.

how about you start doing what me and every single other person does and go and actually research and do the fact checking independently

reply to post by neo96


I think you entirely missed my point. For one thing, any percieved attitude is fully in response to either a flat out lie or a weak deflection. You do a great job of replying without actually responding and yes, it gets a little irritating.

I do indeed know the difference between the two. I am not sure at all how you have missed that if you actually read my posts. I am pointing out that they are not the same but you guys seem to think that they are. What I am saying is, what do you think these words mean? I know what they mean and they are not so interchangable.

reply to post by Curiousisall


your arguing of the definitions of two political ideologies.

it is clearly obvious that have two entirely different meanings but thats not the point anyone here is trying to make.

the socialist movement in germany was hijacked by a more radical school of thought and was used as a vehicle to put a more radical element into power.

the socialist movement in america has taken more power in this country right now than it has at any other point in history they are in every single facet of american life.

and there is clearly a more radical school of thought in the leftist party than they will ever admit.


if you dont get that then you dont.

Originally posted by neo96
your an independent eh and yet the one of the things you bring up was the patriot act and here agian

Yes, a bill that allows limitless spying on Americans is not a partisan issue. You should really look at it, and notice the lack of details (for a legal document). It's extremely broad to say the least. It's almost ultimate power to legally spy on anyone. The Patriot Act alone could serve as motive for 9/11. For someone partisan, all you have to do is imagine Obama was the original President to put that out there... See how scary it is now?

i have to ask just how exactly has the patriot act effected your personal civil liberty?

How about right to privacy? But is that even really a right anymore? Go read it.

you speak to me of torture becomming common place obviously you are referring to waterboarding but then agian any sane person doesnt want to be waterboarded all they have to do is talk.

When an administration pushes to use techniques known to illicit false confessions, is warned as such, then uses these false confessions as justification that there are in fact WMDs in Iraq because this guy we tortured told us so. That's a shady F-ing scam. As an independent I see that bullsh*t from a mile away. Even Gitmo was afraid they were breaking international law... but when push came to shove, they did it anyway.

The United States can't remain a moral authority, an example of doing it right, and still torture people in a way that defies international law. We can't invade a country for reason X, when in reality X does not exist.

i do agree the evil has been going on for far to long

Then you should do something refreshing and be one of the first right-leaning Americans to have eyes wide open to Bush and see that Obama has actually been continuing the plan that was set in place long ago, much to the disappointment to people on the left.

As an independent the biggest problem I have with the Right is their fear-based propaganda, their preferred use of spin over intelligent debate, and their willful short term memory of how we got here.

reply to post by neo96


You are interjecting this lame "hijacking" idea in order to not discuss that actual question at hand. Here in your very thread the accusation is the left RIGHT NOW is FASCIST and the left is RIGHT NOW SOCIALIST. This is what I am having a hard time understanding. Mock my intelligence if you must but try not to dance around the actual question by talking about some supposed pretermined destiny that somehow justifies one being the same as the other. A butterfly and a caccoon are not the same thing, are they? Usually when something is hijacked it is to take it in a DIFFERENT DIRECTION, right? Who hijacks a plane they were already on to demand it land where it was supposed to?

reply to post by spiritualzombie


yeah the patriot act for not one congressman ever read. i dont find it scary at all for the simple fact i have nothing to hide i do nothing for which i have to be ashamed of and i say nothing i have to ashamed of.

but then agian if it was so scary the democrats have been in power since 2006 and obama has been president for the last two and yup its still here.

the right to privacy? how about the rights to keep and bear arms how about the right to have your own life in your own hands and not have someone decide that if a treatment will be able to save your life.

you are fixated on the patriot why? why have you said nothing about either one of those two?


and this adminstration pushes the non stop mental torture and verbal torture of those who disagree with anything they say or do.


and you are mistaken about this country ever being a moral authority simple based on american politics look at the anger and vitrol by the left for the right and this agian goes to what i have said before

only liberals should be in power only liberals should be heard and only liberals should be seen biggest evidence of this is when they say fox news needs to be taken off the air fox news doesnt have the right to exist.


and with bush man agian you are mistaken it was decades decades of democratic and liberal intervention that led the the financial crisis. they have created the conditions that are the reasons we are where are today.

am i letting bush off scott free no bush wasnt perfect no president ever was.


there you go agian with the fear based of the right what about the fear based of the left.- you dont want republicans around or in power you dont want banks and corporations to exist.


as an independent you would think you would have said the fear base of the left and right

as an independent the only thing you have done is only point out the faults of the right you have yet to acknowledge any faults of the left.

come on man its obvious im right and i dont have any problems whatsoever about it and im not ashamed of it by no means.

never be ashamed of who you are.

reply to post by Curiousisall


what you are failing to see is the socialists ideals were replaced by the fascists same people different ideals

peoples ideals change and evolve and when your angry and when you hate you unite agianst the common enemy

people lose all objectivity all rational thought through fear and anger those beliesf were replaced by murder, by threats, by cohersion. by manipulation by intimidation

if you want a modern day example look at the left right paradigm any thoughts of the right are constantly murder,by threats by cohersion and by manipulation and intimidation to only one school of thought remains


if you really want to understand what im saying is look at how the healthcare bill was passed

a weaker political ideology was strong armed to get what the stronger one wanted.

if you thought i was attacking your intelligence i wasnt and i am sorry if you think that way

Originally posted by neo96
yeah the patriot act for not one congressman ever read. i dont find it scary at all for the simple fact i have nothing to hide i do nothing for which i have to be ashamed of and i say nothing i have to ashamed of.

When it comes to these sorts of things you really need to think bigger then this. The argument that "this doesn't affect me, so I don't care" is extremely limited, and pretty much disqualifies you from any further intelligent debate on national law. I think you should reconsider and come back with something better.

but then agian if it was so scary the democrats have been in power since 2006 and obama has been president for the last two and yup its still here.

Yes, a definite indication that either Obama is happy to continue the plan of the previous administration, or the Washington bubble that surrounds him know how to pull his strings.

the right to privacy? how about the rights to keep and bear arms how about the right to have your own life in your own hands and not have someone decide that if a treatment will be able to save your life.

Your response to Right to Privacy is two tangents? Okay, first...
Right to bear arms, I'm all for. That right should never be taken away. In fact, I own a handgun. Did I mention I am independent? As far as your right to refuse healthcare... just don't go to the doctor... or if you go and they say something is wrong, don't return. You can always choose your own lack of health. I think most people are concerned with the possibility of having serious health issues, impossible medical bills, and cancelled medical insurance.

As far as requiring people to have medical insurance, I'm not so happy about that either. Hopefully it won't be as bad as people fear. i think it's a good sign how strongly health insurance companies were fighting it. I think it would have been better to have a public option. I'm independent, I'm not all for it just because Obama says so... I personally think it went from a great idea to a not so great compromise.

and you are mistaken about this country ever being a moral authority simple based on american politics look at the anger and vitrol by the left for the right and this agian goes to what i have said before
only liberals should be in power only liberals should be heard and only liberals should be seen biggest evidence of this is when they say fox news needs to be taken off the air fox news doesnt have the right to exist.

My friend, your eyes are squeezed shut too tightly... It's too much to respond to... it's like a lost soul that doesn't even remember what the United States was supposed to be about. FOX News is a propaganda machine.... Fear based propaganda... People call it that because it's true.

there you go agian with the fear based of the right what about the fear based of the left.- you dont want republicans around or in power you dont want banks and corporations to exist.

as an independent you would think you would have said the fear base of the left and right

Yes there is fear being used on both sides... right now the left is saying vote for us, out of fear of what the Right has a history of doing. Or accept the bailout out of fear of what will happen if banks collapse.

I am against all of these fear tactics. I am an Independent. The thing is.... if you get out your scale... the level of fear amped up on the right is sooo extreme. Raising threat levels at a time of re-election? Saying if we don't invade Iraq another 9/11 will happen, only bigger. Making us terrified of Muslims and Terrorists as tho they are one in the same, then using that fear to insinuate Obama HUSSEIN is a secret Muslim who pals around with terrorists... I mean, that's nearly trying to provoke an assassination attempt on the President... That's extreme fear. The right is way to extreme in their fear.

The left takes a much more reasonable stance. I'm sorry, it's true.

as an independent the only thing you have done is only point out the faults of the right you have yet to acknowledge any faults of the left.

A fault of the Left is continuing the patriot act, continuing the war on terrorism, allowing rendition to continue.

come on man its obvious im right and i dont have any problems whatsoever about it and im not ashamed of it by no means. never be ashamed of who you are.

I agree, and I think if you were made fully aware, undeniably so, of the war crimes committed by the Bush administration you would not be on their side. I'm not talking little mistakes thatevery president does... I'm talking historic war crimes.

reply to post by spiritualzombie


patriot act spoken like someone who has things to hide and if you ever thought you had privacy in this country you never had.

and just how many hoops did you have to go through to get that handgun just how many more loops would have to go through to get any other gun no but wait. they tell you what kind you can own, how many rounds, even how much ammuniton that you can keep your on your premises but wait then its illegal to discharge in public.

now as far as im concerned thats pretty damn intrusive what about the privacy right that i have to what i do what i want with my own property.

yeah sum people eyes are squeezed shut for the simple fact this nation has never really followed a moral code it has proclaimed itself to have.


you just contradicted yourself with the left takes a more reasonable stance simple fact they passed the healthcare bill and the second ammendments.

i get irritated when people bring up war crimes for the simple fact almost every single president has gone to war

simple fact from wilson to obama there are "supposed war crimes" and yet only one president is ever vilified for it.

thats not an honest statement man its not and its not a statement that any independent would make for no other reason you are only singled out one side one man