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posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by jfj123
 



what about that freedom of speech when the left is constantly trying to shut up any viewpoint other than its own

a prime example of what a fascism is when when the left says foxnews should be taken off the air they simply should not exist.


1. I suppose it is the Liberal Texas School board that is trying to restrict teaching about Islam???

2. FOX news is a fascist dream, it is a one stop shop for message driven, unified dis/information




posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 11:01 PM
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yeah what about those anti socialist policies of left

what about those

what about stealing from a group of citizens and enslaving them to their whims

what about that persecution of a select group in this country by telling them they have too much and doing what hitler did to his own citizens

what about the rape, plunder, and looting of its own citizens to keep them impoverished and enslaved

clearly anti socialist in my opinion.

clearly anything the left does in this country is for the good of its own power and agian clearly anti social

the bigotry and intolerance for anything other than what they want it agian clearly anti social

and you know since when am i suppose to jump when ever some anonmymous person tells me to

in all reality i dont have to rebutt anything at all im not trying to shove down the throat of any reader that has come to this thread simply by the nature of your post and any other post countering mine

people have the freedom to believe what they will


in my opinion im saying get your head out of a book and pay closer attention to real life.



and if people have such a problem with this thread then you dont have to read and you dont have to acknowledge it and you dont have to post in it.


guess i have the wrong definition of what debate is people post others decide


and the world i live there are only two things wrong and right no shades of gray this is the biggest reason this country is so screwed up right now.

if a thing is wrong then its wrong
if a thing is right then its right

when its wrong when someone else does it and right when you do the same thing.

if you have a problem with then you have a problem with that.










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posted on Sep, 25 2010 @ 04:30 AM
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Originally posted by neo96


obama has clearly clearly taken more power than any republican that there has ever been




Your digging yourself deeper from minute to minute. First you're shown that your allegations concerning the Nazis are totally bunk, and now you're back with new statements that realy border on sheer lunacy. How does Obama compare to Bush when it comes to the issue of power? Or Reagan? Or FDR? Or Adams? Or Lincoln for that matter?

Man... Do you even read the stuff you write? Do you even think about this stuff or do you just shoot straight from the hip.

Name one policy of Obama that represents an unusual "taking of power" - go ahead.


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posted on Sep, 25 2010 @ 04:48 AM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by NichirasuKenshin
 


yeah what about those anti socialist policies of left



What about them? I asked you to name some Socialist policies of the Nazis and you keep failing.




what about those



Why this semi-poetic, always half-repeating writing style?




what about stealing from a group of citizens and enslaving them to their whims



Stealing ius Socialist? Any group that commits a war and steals from its oponent is Socialist? Does that make Xerxes Socialist too? Hannibal, for that matter too?
Come on. Get real man.




what about that persecution of a select group in this country by telling them they have too much and doing what hitler did to his own citizens



The persecution of select groups is a historic phenomena that appears irrespective of a specified political outlook. There's left wing terrorism, right wing terrorism, and the occasional violent centrist. This has nothing to do with Socialism, Capitalism, even democracy etc. Persecution of people is as old als humanity itself and was here long before the first man dreamed up the term Socialism or Capitalism for that mattter.

I mean if you're equating any form of violence that ever took place with Socialism then you are even more deluded than your totally deluded writing style suggests.




what about the rape, plunder, and looting of its own citizens to keep them impoverished and enslaved



So you know of no instance in history where this took place without resp. before the doctrine of Socialism was born? As I said, you're in dire need of a history book.




clearly anti socialist in my opinion.



You're not very succesfull with sarcasm. Better leave it.




clearly anything the left does in this country is for the good of its own power and agian clearly anti social



Anti-social and Anti-Socialist are not the same thing. But anyway - change the word "left" in your above sentence with that of any other available political stance and you'll see that that's a total no brainer - the statement is more or less true for any and all doctrines when it comes to their real life application in politics.



the bigotry and intolerance for anything other than what they want it agian clearly anti social


Your confirmation bias is astounding. There's just as much, if not more, bigotry on the other side. Again - anti-social does not mean anti-Socialist as Socialist does not mean Social. You clearly have no point so your just babbling away.



and you know since when am i suppose to jump when ever some anonmymous person tells me to


And where in Socialist thought have you ever read that you need to do so? The only people that truly hold such opinions are the authoritarians, of which I suspect less within Socialism and more within Conservatism, traditional.




in all reality i dont have to rebutt anything at all im not trying to shove down the throat of any reader that has come to this thread simply by the nature of your post and any other post countering mine


In all reality you couldn't even if you wanted to or were mentally and intellectually capable of it. You're just here to piss people off - although your logic is so shoddy that no one really takes the bait.

You can't even name one Socialist policy of the Nazis, although you parrot the "the Nazis were Socialists" line from Jonah Goldberg. If you're parroting him anyway, why not also copy his arguments, not just his punch line? Or is that way over your head too?

Get real. This is a DISCUSSION board. People are here to discuss thing - Simply refusing to do so won't impress anyone.




people have the freedom to believe what they will


And you have the freedom to actually open a book and learn something about what you're talking about before you do so. Or you have the freedom to engage in an enlightening discussion with other people. Both things you refuse to do.



in my opinion im saying get your head out of a book and pay closer attention to real life.


Real life takes place in books when it comes to history. How else would I know how Socialist the Nazis were if it were no for books and Historical inquiry?

You admit that you ain't got a clue about what you're talking about and that your just acting on some vague, real-life gut feeling. Very convincing - not.




and if people have such a problem with this thread then you dont have to read and you dont have to acknowledge it and you dont have to post in it.


The motto of this site is to Deny Ignorance , not to promote it. If you're going to claim that the Nazis were Socialists then I will rebutt you. I have nothing against other views but lies and the use of pseudohistory is something that I'll alway call out.

Being on a conspiracy site does not mean that you can freely discard all your civility, intellectual honesty and capacity for logical reasoning - those traits are needed here more than anywhere else.











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posted on Sep, 25 2010 @ 10:52 AM
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am i now since when has any president had to power to hire and fire and set salaries limits on any america in this nations history?

furthermore since when has any president in this nations history ever forced something that they thought you needed and i am referring to the healthcare act.

and who is the party and the president that has created more governmenttal agencies in this nation that are only answerable to him.


no what you are faliing to see is that your head is still stuck up a book and you are not paying to the events unfolding in this country.

the left clearly is antisocial everything they are doing is destroying the upper class destroying the middle class
and enslaving the lower class.



posted on Sep, 25 2010 @ 05:29 PM
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fascistsoup.com...

18 lectures on Fascism by prominent economists.



posted on Sep, 25 2010 @ 07:18 PM
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mem thanks for posting they have all "disproved" by the majority who think 9-11 was in "inside job" what i have said thanks for contributing to the thread

as such i am myself yielding since noone will even consider the possibity of what i have said could be true even for one moment and as such this thread has been nothing but an utter failure


watching those videos thanks for the 411 really great stuff





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posted on Sep, 27 2010 @ 05:32 AM
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Originally posted by neo96
yeah is the constitution a piece of paper?

No.


obama has clearly clearly taken more power than any republican that there has ever been

Simply incorrect.
Bush/cheney seized more government control then any other president/vice-vader, in the history of the country. This is common knowledge.


and what about the theft of american gold what about the detainment of americas own citizen during world war 2? what the hell do you think that is.

Also wrong. But what you're suggesting that bush's, although illegal, aren't as illegal as others??? Not a good argument my friend.


what about that freedom of speech when the left is constantly trying to shut up any viewpoint other than its own

The bush administration did this more than any other administration in US history.


a prime example of what a fascism is when when the left says foxnews should be taken off the air they simply should not exist.

It's common knowledge that fox news is part of the reich wings publicity arm.


and you are clearly ignoring those constitutional infringements second ammedment and the healthcare laws and the lefts detainments of american citizens during that period of time

Not at all actually.
But trying to suggest that the guarantee of healthcare to all Americans is wrong, is INSANE !


its clearly ok for the left and obama to take those rights away from the american public.

I've previously stated that it's not ok for ANYONE, left or right, to take away CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. Of course I know both side are corrupt and WE THE PEOPLE, need to vote them out of office to make ourselves a better America. What I have problems with is people like you who pretend that the reich wing is blameless and completely innocent of any wrongdoing.



posted on Sep, 27 2010 @ 08:52 AM
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I'm quoting the last paragraph of your reply to Neo96, *bolding mine.

I've previously stated that it's not ok for ANYONE, left or right, to take away CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. Of course I know both side are corrupt and WE THE PEOPLE, need to vote them out of office to make ourselves a better America. What I have problems with is people like you who pretend that the reich wing is blameless and completely innocent of any wrongdoing


I've read the posts off and on, on this thread for a while now. The OP clearly starts off with concern of the name calling and hateful words thrown from the lefties toward the righties. The OP gives examples of those hateful names too.

every single day in america and on here on ats the right is constantly
barraged with the labels of racist,bigots,nazis,islamophobes.


There was a thread created on ATS due to the extreme name calling. It wasn't warranted (the extreme labels). It caused those who aren't racist's, bigots, nazis, ect, to become defensive. Those labels hurt a lot of people. I will quote the OP again.

the only real difference isnt murder but they do assinate they do murder peoples
characters,...

This quote speaks volumes to me whether or not the OP meant it to tie in with the extreme labels being thrown at the time.
Stay with me please, I have a point to make esp. where I bold-ed your quote

It seemed like all of the sudden people were divided, people weren't allowed to speak of sensitive issues without labels being forced onto them because of their opinions. Simply talking about these sensitive issues rationally was almost impossible without having to go on the defense instead of one "side" actually listening to the other "side", without the replies further labeling using the same harsh and hurtful words. Everyone involved are at fault, no one was completely innocent or more innocent then the other.
Again, quoting the OP

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you are so right no matter who is sent to washington the system is corrupt and it will be corrupt and it will always continue to be so.

you are right as well the people of this country its beleifs or values have not been truly repesented in a long long time.

I didn't add the entire post, it is lengthy.
This is another quote from the OP essentially saying, imo, we are all Americans right or wrong, we have the freedoms and rights to express our different POV's and belief's, this freedom/right when uncivil, creates polarizing.

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i will be the first to admit that i do need refinement i am still relatively new at this.

and we are all americans left right wrong or right north or south that is one of those things that made us great is our diversity and its the biggest reason that it is tearing itself apart.


I re-read the posts made by the OP and he too, expresses the importance of preserving our Constitutional Rights, just as you do, he too has admitted all parties are to blame for one reason or another.
I think it's the reasons we are in such a mess that no one can agree on, lol. One pointing at a Democrat President and the other pointing are a Republican President, standing their ground to the death, that a president or a particular party or Religion are to blame for this and that mess/situation.
I also understand the importance of History, why we refer to it and the people involved at the time an event or act was enacted.
Now, I said all that to say, you two are great examples of people who, imo, are truly hoping and fighting for the same end result. How we got there is where the division begins, then what we should do next in order to get the end results creates even greater division. So I would like to ask you the million dollar question if you don't mind. How do, we the people, get there before our rights are gone for good or gone for a long time? Ok, that brings me to rephrasing that question. How do we the people get there without war or fighting, how do we get there civilly? Or can we get there civilly? If not, how do we prepare for the battle?
Gulp,
Thanks,
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posted on Sep, 27 2010 @ 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by sweetliberty

How do we the people get there without war or fighting, how do we get there civilly? Or can we get there civilly? If not, how do we prepare for the battle?









If you noticed that neo used the term "people like you" a lot. There in lies the ultimate division. And that's why we can't get there civilly.

The next step is to dehumanize the "people like you" into "liberal vermin" as arch conservative M. Savage likes to label the people he disagrees with.

See the pattern? Does it sound familiar? It's all been planned and it's out of our control.

God help us!

I



posted on Sep, 27 2010 @ 10:15 AM
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Where do you people get this stuff?

It's not the fault of the "left" that you may be required to purchase health insurance from a private, "for profit," corporation. The blame for that fiasco falls squarely on the obstructionist republicans in congress.

If the "left" had their way, we would have a "not for profit, single payer" health care system in place today. It was republican obstructionism that objected to "single payer" reps. and/or "public option" reps. to even get a seat at the table, remember? I assure you that given enough time, it will be the "left" that goes on to amend the health care reform bill and transform it into the affordable health care system that covers every american regardless of their ability to pay.

I don't understand why the republican party chose an elephant as their logo when it's common knowledge that elephants have an excellent memory. Today's typical republicans are constantly attempting to re-write history based on how they would like to remember it when it is clearly evident that their memory is shorter than my pecker.



posted on Sep, 27 2010 @ 10:19 AM
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Sounds to me like you've gone off your meds. If you're going to go around painting a particular group of people as "fascist," I highly recommend that first you educate yourself as to the meaning of the word.

A good place to start would be here; en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Sep, 27 2010 @ 11:06 AM
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If you noticed that neo used the term "people like you" a lot. There in lies the ultimate division. And that's why we can't get there civilly.


I can't speak for Neo but I can use a quote of his to examine, compare his "people like you" term and the labels people not like you have to be forced upon them when they don't agree. I'll get back to you on that.
The following is his quote.

every single day in america and on here on ats the right is constantly
barraged with the labels of racist,bigots,nazis,islamophobes.


Ok, lol, I examined, compared and have come to the conclusion, people like him became thicker skinned having to endure false label/labels that cut to the core. Thicker skinned because the term "people like you" can be perceived to mean "people who disagree". So had people like him had to endure the term "people like you" instead of the the extreme labels that left no room for interpretation, maybe it wouldn't cut to the core like the hateful labels do.
Having said that, I can see how the term could mean the exact same thing as what he and many others have endured. Sounds to me like a whole lot of people have made some mistakes that hurt others deeply.
Yes, there in lies the ultimate division
Building on that agreement, I have to think the next division might be when history is debated, as in who is at fault for this and that.



The next step is to dehumanize the "people like you" into "liberal vermin" as arch conservative M. Savage likes to label the people he disagrees with.

See the pattern? Does it sound familiar? It's all been planned and it's out of our control.

God help us!

I


I see the pattern and hate it. I'll get thicker skinned if you do too
Tell you what, I won't call you a liberal vermin or any such words if you don't call me the opposite/same, lol. Seriously, I am so tired of labels, it makes me sick. Tell me something Whaaa, is this my new reality?
I do however disagree that it's out of my control.




edit to add: I can see why Neo created this thread, there are extremists who aren't going to listen the people even when they say they are in the best interest of the people. I don't think those people will evolve or reason with anyone really. Yes, they are on both sides of the coin. I call them the elitists.


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posted on Oct, 7 2010 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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atually no you cant turn the arguement around for the simple fact the left and the left alone has the biggest influence in this country

they have given themselves more power in this country to pass their own wills onto the american public that any right winger has even thought of.

look at how far reaching the left has gone to usurp power over the individual?

second ammendment,the hcr bill,social security,medicaid,medicare,welfare,housing welfare,unions, to the new consumer protectection agency outside of us law and has given them the power over trillions of dollars of americans.

i think you people acutally need to grasp what i am saying here LOOK at the power they have over you LOOK.

they control the money
they control the medicine
they control your homes
they control your cars
they control business
they control maunfacturing


they and they alone and the non stop lust of greed and for nothing but domination over us all.


the right gets blamed but the right has never never done anything even close to what the left has.


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Wrong. It is the huge corporations that have the power. They are historically aligned with the republican party. Do you make them out to be the victims? I hope not.

No friend, leftists are not and never have been financial power brokers. It just isn't true. What is true is that those in power do what they always do and that is to deflect blame to their opponents. It is to our national shame that so many believe Fox news for instance. They lie every day.

tt



posted on Oct, 7 2010 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by antonia
Well, talk about a rash of stupid in the morning.

Fascism has long been considered a movement of the extreme right. For at least 30 years this has been the conclusion of most history scholars.

en.wikipedia.org...

Note this:

Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right of the conventional left-right political spectrum


I get we all hate those dirty liberals, but they aren't Fascists if they are on the left. The extreme left is called Communism.

en.wikipedia.org...

There are different schools within Communism however so it gets a little complicated.

Socialism is not Fascism

en.wikipedia.org...

And i realize this was useless on my part. Because this isn't about real debate. This is about "you lefties" once again like we are the evil of the earth. We've caused every disease or problem that is plaguing this planet and if only we were all gone the world would be a better place. We get it. Eat our shorts.

I see public education is working rather well. And really, If we are going to talk about these concepts CAN WE AT LEAST SPELL THEM CORRECTLY?!



edit on 23-9-2010 by antonia because: RAWR





Right. The extremes of either direction, right or left, are bad news. That is precisely why our system of government has built in checks and balances. The best of what comes from right and left is what America should be.

tt



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