The fasict Left of america

How about answering my post where I clearly show a set of anti-socialist policies of the Nazis?


As I said the reasonable thing to do would be to refute any of the 7 antisocialist policies I've listed or provide me with even one actual political measure taken by the Nazis that was Socialist in Nature.

Is it that you can't come up with one? Or did you decide just to ignore me like anyone else in this thread who makes a factual rebuttal of your nonsense?

Don't you find it funny that there are tons of factual rebuttals to your stance in this thread, yet you never answer the substance of them, you just brush them off in this semi-poetic writing style of yours that tries to hide the fact that you're talking way over your head here by attemtping to sound pseudo-cryptic?

I say read a history book. You're clearly in need of it and maybe it would provide you with some facts - and facts work much better in a discusion than the semipoetic broad-brush black and white generalism that your are engaging in here. But anyway. From interpreting your answers I really don't believe that you're interested in having a discussion - you certainly don't care if anything you said about the Nazis is actually true.

ok, what did everyone miss about the nazi's?

you can tell us.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Curiousisall

 

what you are failing to see is the socialists ideals were replaced by the fascists same people different ideals

The only thing I am failing to see is how you can write such a sentence with a straight face. So you guys want to call alll Liberals both Socialist and Fascist, right now, at the same time, but since that does not make sense you cannot explain it and you have to go on about how Germany was this and then was that and all kinds of other odd detritus?

I just wanted someone to explain how they could be both at the same time and I am still waiting for that to happen. Please do not bore me with any more distractions. My question is simple.

reply to post by TrueBrit


seriously attacking my intelligence agian is everything a good little nazi would do.


while the right has been typically associated with fascism that is not the case that is currently going on in america

the creation of the fed the consumer protection agency fanny and freddy and the governmental take overs of gm, aig, and health insurance

obama and the left for decades have given himself the power to do anything he wants to do he can hire and fire how much they can make and it he thinks any business has too much or not enough.

the left of this country will never stop until they completely take over the corporations in this country and right now they have the power to do so.

he has the ability to appoint anyone he so chooses at any place in anywhere he so chooses.

of you look back to the inital tarp bailouts bush never had the power obama now has he never has and the right the repbulicans never in their wildest dreams every thought about the things that have occurred.


you people say its the right but then agian much like how the english systems differ from country to country

the actions of the left have been nothing but fascist. fascist is corporatism right? obama is slowly but surely taking over corporations under the guise of socialism.

we are going to disagree. i am talking modern day actually the events unfolding in this country.

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had bush and the right done these things the left would be screamm bloody fascist right of american

but no the left and obama have done these things same things SAME THINGS the left and liberal democratic party so its NOT FASCISM;

you can be as arrogants so you so choose and look down upon me and this thread i honestly dont care.

but then agian im a fascist which is what you have been saying anyone else ideals dont matter to me especially someone who isnt even living in this country.

im done with you you have said you peace you can stay or go the choice is your but im moving on.

god save the queen chip chip cheerio and all that but then again the sun never sets on the briitish empire.





YOU PEOPLE ARE SO BLIND but then agian this is how fascism took over in germany noone recognized what it was and what it was doing at the time and history is repeating itself

Originally posted by neo96
the left of this country will never stop until they completely take over the corporations in this country and right now they have the power to do so.

Well, then...I guess you had better save the world from the evils of totalitarianism and vote Republican.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck


if the republicans dont undo the damage that has been done and turn this country back to where it should be


then i will vote with my foot up their "you know what"

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by TrueBrit

 

seriously attacking my intelligence agian is everything a good little nazi would do.


while the right has been typically associated with fascism that is not the case that is currently going on in america

the creation of the fed the consumer protection agency fanny and freddy and the governmental take overs of gm, aig, and health insurance

obama and the left for decades have given himself the power to do anything he wants to do he can hire and fire how much they can make and it he thinks any business has too much or not enough.

the left of this country will never stop until they completely take over the corporations in this country and right now they have the power to do so.

he has the ability to appoint anyone he so chooses at any place in anywhere he so chooses.

of you look back to the inital tarp bailouts bush never had the power obama now has he never has and the right the repbulicans never in their wildest dreams every thought about the things that have occurred.


you people say its the right but then agian much like how the english systems differ from country to country

the actions of the left have been nothing but fascist. fascist is corporatism right? obama is slowly but surely taking over corporations under the guise of socialism.

we are going to disagree. i am talking modern day actually the events unfolding in this country.

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you can be as arrogants so you so choose and look down upon me and this thread i honestly dont care.

but then agian im a fascist anyone ideals dont matter to me escpecially someone who isnt even living in this country.

im done with you you have said you peace you can stay or go the choice is your but im moving on.

god save the queen chip chip cheerio and all that but then agian the sun never sets on the british empire.

edit on 24-9-2010 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

First of all , I was not attacking your intelligence. I was pointing out that you have not got the information or the expirience required to argue a point that cannot in reasonable circles be accepted . There are those in the world today who could argue thier way out of hell if required, but you havent exhibited that talent, and therefore attempting to argue such a impossible position is, although daring, a lost cause.
Calling me a Nazi, calling me a fascist is ridiculous. My Grandfathers , of whom I am in constant awe, fought with thier every ounce of strength against Nazi Germany, and I fight daily against xenophobia and fascism in my own home town. Theres nothing in the world worse than Nazis, and I dont see the need for you to resort to name calling.
Now , as I understand it the government did not "take over" GM and AIG. It did however bail them out, and baring in mind the huge sums of money involved, and the fact that those companies had already lost huge sums of money, the government would have been foolish in the extreme to just hand it over and turn away. If they had turned their backs , and the money had dissapeared , the government would have been in the unenviable position of having to explain that to the taxpayer. I cant blame them for wanting to avoid that. The only way to avoid that , was to insert some control measures to prevent loss. This would not have been required, had the managment of those companies been sound enough in the first place. On the subject of healthcare, its a bone of contention but people in the know complain that Obamas medicare bill is socialist, which ONCE AGAIN is NOT fascism. Adding healthcare to your argument merely points out that you are allied with those who have decided that being well off doesnt mean you owe society a damned thing for the good fortune that IT has provided. Fine, but thats nothing to do with how the left and right are polarised around an issue. It has , in other words no baring on the matter.
Showing further how little you understand the political situation in your own nation, you claim that President Obama has the power to hire and fire any one he wants, but you should know that that statement is at best hideously inaccurate. He answers to his political peers, just like you or I answer to local courts when we show bad judgement. He has checks and balances on him , just like any one of us. The only differences between him and you are , he has a tone more responsibility, and thankfuly is educated enough to know the difference between right and left politicaly speaking, as well as right and wrong moraly . He has a harder time doing it than most presidents you remember because he got dropped into an office drowned in blood from Mr Bush's insanity, and starved of back up cash and planning due to Mr Bush's lack of concentration on the economy.
You suggest that perhaps our disagreement stems from the differences between the way our nations veiw politics. However I cannot accept that. Politics is the dialouge between different governments, as well as between groups within nations. The fact is that the way it is quantified and classified has been sculpted so that clarity can come between nations like yours and mine, so that everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet so to speak. Theres nothing lost in translation, you just got it woefully wrong thats all !
You make an odd point about corperatism being fascism... well I suppose in a way I can agree with you there,it can end up that way, but thats a pretty lousy , and lazy interpretation of the situation as it is at this point. Corperatism would be the interests of the people UTTERLY sublimated by the wishes and whims of industry. However, what you fail to grasp is that without some of the businesses which have been saved by Obamas administration, far more Americans would be out of a job, than is currently the case, and if you look at the figures which exist today, you will see that any larger drop in employment would be devastating and put the US back several years if not a decade in terms of progress. I fail to see how scrambling to save millions more Americans from loosing thier jobs, is fascist or in actual fact corperatist. Would you rather Obama just turned to these companies and said "I dont care, I hope you rot, you and all your peasant employees?" . Sounds like a Bush era policy to me sir.
AND FINALY !! If you do not wish to take part in hearty and intellectual debate sir, there is no point in joining discussions of this nature. By all means use the forums to learn , and ask questions, and absorb as much as you can about world view, but do not presume to whine and moan when you make a point, and then have it torn apart, especialy if you refuse to back your claims up with unarguable evidence. A good idea would be to start by arguing points that can be won, rather than allying yourself with a moraly repugnant section of community, the right wing spinners who are trying to destroy the lefts ability to speak reason in times of violent change and insanity , its ability to plead for peace in times of war, and its ability to request tolerance in times of tension.
They will not succeed. We are not going away.

listen up you can argue about text book definations as long as you want you can argue about what you have read in any history book you want.

i am talking about modern day america and since all forms of politicial ideology do share common roots not one ever ever locked into any one school of thought every single one can become more radical more destructive than
often thinks at the time.

and while all political ideology has its moderate and extremists forms the weaker on always always loses out in the end.

it doesnt matter what you or i want to call them they all meet at the intersection of apathy,death,destruction and end up at the road of annihilation.

call it by whatever label you want but i know and there is noone that can tell me otherwise the only party in this country that has shown the most fascist traits the most nazi traits has been the left liberal and democratic party.

and if you wont admit that the left has embraced those fascist traits and those characteristics then you never will.

the left will always say its the right but that is not the case currently going on in america. i dont expect you to get what im saying you dont live here you dont see the level and hatred for the right by the left and their anger is continually being vamped up to levels never seen before that power is corrupt and it is corrupting that party and this country and it is becoming ever increasingly more radicalized.

Nazi traits?

Patriot act.

reply to post by spinalremain


how many times will you people bring this up

what do you think gun control is
what do you think the hcr bill is


you people are focused on just one thing look at the bigger picture.


and its nazi not to abolish it and its nazii to extend the patriot act.

reply to post by neo96


I must assume that you know how many right wing television and radio talk show hosts are blowing the horn of hate in the name of the right wing? Those who have and will say on television and the radio that Gays, immigrants, liberals, and democrats should be shot, raped by dogs in the street, sent home with a box of radio active material.. These are right wing people, are you seriously saying that hate is not present in the right wing?
There have been incidents of murder, associated with the words of these guys, harassment, attacks on places of Christian worship , and muslim worship. These right wing psychopaths are actualy involved in destroying rights to life, and opinion as we speak. There is actual EVIDENCE for that. There are bodies in morgues across your nation , sacrificed by the right wing, on the alter of hate. That you cannot deny , there are court records, death certificates, ballistics and forensics reports, and testimony on record that PROVE the fascism of the right wing.
The same cannot be said for you interpretation of the situation.
The very fact that you refuse to accept that a person from outside your nation has the intelligence and the interest in world politics to enable them to make informed comment on your nations politics is absolutely DISGRACEFUL! Its the exact same xenophobia that gets the right in so much damned trouble. By your wilful ignorance you condemn yourself and the movements which subscribe to the same thinking. Good luck to you though. I hope that you can avoid allowing the real hate, the real venom in your nation from destroying you , and everything you hold dear.

are you seriious with that of course you are and while i am not going to dismiss there hatred on both sides.

lets make one thing perfectly clear the right and the right has not ever had the power to shape the american minds like the left does they simply do not have it.

the left controls education in america they control the majority THE MAJORITY of every television set and news source and internet sites in this country they have a level of control that is simply astounding.

they create the thoughts they shape the minds and they tell people how to think what to think they define THEY DEFINE what is right and what is wrong.

look at the 8 years of george w. bush the non stop left wing attack machine got to the point where george w. bush didnt have the right to live. that is some serious power.

the right simply has not have the power of anything close to what they are made out to be for the simple fact mccain wasnt elected and if the right was so powerful as the left claims obama never would have been elected.

the left wanted their guy obama elected and they got him elected and they are doing everything in their power to keep him there.

there exists on the right a handful of few just a few that simple cannot compete on the level of agian news,tv,films the millions of left wing websites there is only a few.


the left has the greatest power in this country and there is noone that can deny that fact the agents of the left wing poltical mentality teach,they entertain, they and they alone are the most powerful group in this nations history.

the right simply does not have the power to do what the left does time after time the level and power and resources the left have are a danger its as simple as that.

reply to post by neo96


You are over flowing with crap, no wonder you need to wear a mask, risk propelling your state fed crap onto others -

Did you not just live thru the same decade?

FOX has been washing the right for a decade, 1 STATION tells you how to think, feel and react, talk about fascism.

Now we have this popular war on Islam that never existed until FOX got started sowing the seeds.

I don't even know any Muslims personally they are so underrepresented in numbers. Yet you guys can't STFU
about it, stir the pot and then lie about who it is that carries the spoon..

ETAH SITNAD DECING KUF IZNAI! there's some german for you

reply to post by neo96

Michael Savage, I didn't know you posted on ATS!

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by jfj123

 

this is what you come at me with are you serious? how many times do i have to say this.

what about the second ammendment ? what about the hcr bill? what about the consumer protection agency?

what about those friend? those 3 have more power than the patriot act and yet you can even bring them up now why is that ? oh i know its just the fact it was a republican who did it.

Actually I'm not in favor of ANY individual who attempts to override the CONSTITUTION.
And I didn't just mention the patriot act, I also mentioned TORTURE, EXTRAORDINARY RENDITION, etc... but I did forget to mention illegal foreign detentions and did I mention the illegal iraq war?
Oh also did I mention the part where bush stated that the CONSTITUTION is "just a goddamn piece of paper" ?
Oh yeah then there was that part where cheney attempted to seize power and greatly expand power of the vice president...
Oh and what about when bush stifled FREEDOM OF SPEECH by arresting, detaining and creating "protest areas"?

I suppose you also hate those CONSTITUTIONAL infringements too right? Or do you just hate people on the left because they're on the left? Is it ok for the reich wing to violate the CONSTITUTION ?

reply to post by jfj123


and what the hell do you think americans did in world war 1,world war 2, korea,,vietnam, bosnia/kosvo,somalia?


those wars werent illegal? what tactics do you think they used?

yeah is the constitution a piece of paper?

obama has clearly clearly taken more power than any republican that there has ever been

and what about the theft of american gold
what about the detainment of americas own citizen during world war 2? what the hell do you think that is.

what about that freedom of speech when the left is constantly trying to shut up any viewpoint other than its own

a prime example of what a fascism is when when the left says foxnews should be taken off the air they simply should not exist.

and you are clearly ignoring those constitutional infringements second ammedment and the healthcare laws and the lefts detainments of american citizens during that period of time

its clearly ok for the left and obama to take those rights away from the american public.

no man no.......im not ignoring what the right has done what you are clearly ignoring is the left has done far worse but then agian when the left does anything they think is for the betterment of the american public only they can.

Perhaps the electorate of America prefers a left leaning Government. Give the electorate a little credit, they can see thru the propaganda and BS put out by the MSM. Maybe they are scared of the neocon facists on the Right.

I put much more faith in the electorate than some guy on the www. ranting, placing blame, and completely out of touch with what makes America great. Black and white, no shades of Grey, either/or, myopic style of logic and thinking.

Also a name calling troll. It would be so much easier to consider your points and agenda if you would articulate them without the obvious hate and vitriol directed to members of ATS except for those that agree with you.

A reading of this might be beneficial.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

this was the signature of an ats member but he just recently changed it so i am not in any way taking credit for it.


but listen to the lefts own words by one of their most loved presidents.


“ The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism — ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. " ---franklin d. roosevelt


left has become stronger than the state itself
obama has become stronger than the state itself.


and this is the face of modern fascism it is we clearly are living in fascist state and you people are clearly suffering from it and you people are clearly denying its existence.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by SpectreDC

 

why dont you try responding to the original post and actually say something constructive other than the obvious attempt of character assisnation.


but then agian this is always the tactic of the left and by a fascist by a nazi

Hey don't insult me, being rude is wrong and unnecessary

of course what do you expect from a poo poo face?



Neo, you are so far off the charts, I try to be and I cannot ever reach your level of brilliance, it is a talent sire.

I will say it again tho, 1 station controlling and filtering all of your information is actually pretty Fascist, the little intellectual box you are in is a testament to it.