Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by TrueBrit
seriously attacking my intelligence agian is everything a good little nazi would do.
while the right has been typically associated with fascism that is not the case that is currently going on in america
the creation of the fed the consumer protection agency fanny and freddy and the governmental take overs of gm, aig, and health insurance
obama and the left for decades have given himself the power to do anything he wants to do he can hire and fire how much they can make and it he thinks
any business has too much or not enough.
the left of this country will never stop until they completely take over the corporations in this country and right now they have the power to do
he has the ability to appoint anyone he so chooses at any place in anywhere he so chooses.
of you look back to the inital tarp bailouts bush never had the power obama now has he never has and the right the repbulicans never in their wildest
dreams every thought about the things that have occurred.
you people say its the right but then agian much like how the english systems differ from country to country
the actions of the left have been nothing but fascist. fascist is corporatism right? obama is slowly but surely taking over corporations under the
guise of socialism.
we are going to disagree. i am talking modern day actually the events unfolding in this country.
you can be as arrogants so you so choose and look down upon me and this thread i honestly dont care.
but then agian im a fascist anyone ideals dont matter to me escpecially someone who isnt even living in this country.
im done with you you have said you peace you can stay or go the choice is your but im moving on.
god save the queen chip chip cheerio and all that but then agian the sun never sets on the british empire.
edit on 24-9-2010 by neo96 because: (no reason given)
First of all , I was not attacking your intelligence. I was pointing out that you have not got the information or the expirience required to argue a
point that cannot in reasonable circles be accepted . There are those in the world today who could argue thier way out of hell if required, but you
havent exhibited that talent, and therefore attempting to argue such a impossible position is, although daring, a lost cause.
Calling me a Nazi, calling me a fascist is ridiculous. My Grandfathers , of whom I am in constant awe, fought with thier every ounce of strength
against Nazi Germany, and I fight daily against xenophobia and fascism in my own home town. Theres nothing in the world worse than Nazis, and I dont
see the need for you to resort to name calling.
Now , as I understand it the government did not "take over" GM and AIG. It did however bail them out, and baring in mind the huge sums of money
involved, and the fact that those companies had already lost huge sums of money, the government would have been foolish in the extreme to just hand it
over and turn away. If they had turned their backs , and the money had dissapeared , the government would have been in the unenviable position of
having to explain that to the taxpayer. I cant blame them for wanting to avoid that. The only way to avoid that , was to insert some control measures
to prevent loss. This would not have been required, had the managment of those companies been sound enough in the first place. On the subject of
healthcare, its a bone of contention but people in the know complain that Obamas medicare bill is socialist, which ONCE AGAIN is NOT fascism. Adding
healthcare to your argument merely points out that you are allied with those who have decided that being well off doesnt mean you owe society a damned
thing for the good fortune that IT has provided. Fine, but thats nothing to do with how the left and right are polarised around an issue. It has , in
other words no baring on the matter.
Showing further how little you understand the political situation in your own nation, you claim that President Obama has the power to hire and fire
any one he wants, but you should know that that statement is at best hideously inaccurate. He answers to his political peers, just like you or I
answer to local courts when we show bad judgement. He has checks and balances on him , just like any one of us. The only differences between him and
you are , he has a tone more responsibility, and thankfuly is educated enough to know the difference between right and left politicaly speaking, as
well as right and wrong moraly . He has a harder time doing it than most presidents you remember because he got dropped into an office drowned in
blood from Mr Bush's insanity, and starved of back up cash and planning due to Mr Bush's lack of concentration on the economy.
You suggest that perhaps our disagreement stems from the differences between the way our nations veiw politics. However I cannot accept that.
Politics is the dialouge between different governments, as well as between groups within nations. The fact is that the way it is quantified and
classified has been sculpted so that clarity can come between nations like yours and mine, so that everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet so to
speak. Theres nothing lost in translation, you just got it woefully wrong thats all !
You make an odd point about corperatism being fascism... well I suppose in a way I can agree with you there,it can end up that way, but thats a
pretty lousy , and lazy interpretation of the situation as it is at this point. Corperatism would be the interests of the people UTTERLY sublimated by
the wishes and whims of industry. However, what you fail to grasp is that without some of the businesses which have been saved by Obamas
administration, far more Americans would be out of a job, than is currently the case, and if you look at the figures which exist today, you will see
that any larger drop in employment would be devastating and put the US back several years if not a decade in terms of progress. I fail to see how
scrambling to save millions more Americans from loosing thier jobs, is fascist or in actual fact corperatist. Would you rather Obama just turned to
these companies and said "I dont care, I hope you rot, you and all your peasant employees?" . Sounds like a Bush era policy to me sir.
AND FINALY !! If you do not wish to take part in hearty and intellectual debate sir, there is no point in joining discussions of this nature. By all
means use the forums to learn , and ask questions, and absorb as much as you can about world view, but do not presume to whine and moan when you make
a point, and then have it torn apart, especialy if you refuse to back your claims up with unarguable evidence. A good idea would be to start by
arguing points that can be won, rather than allying yourself with a moraly repugnant section of community, the right wing spinners who are trying to
destroy the lefts ability to speak reason in times of violent change and insanity , its ability to plead for peace in times of war, and its ability to
request tolerance in times of tension.
They will not succeed. We are not going away.