New World Order...not such a bad idea

A New World Order is inevitable and what matters about the subject is how quickly can the people educate themselves in preparation for it. Yes the globe must unite in order for the world to see true technological progress, mainly space travel and Quantum discovery. Transcending this existence consciously is important for mankind to find peace and given the right situation peace can be achieved. Religion isnt the foundation of any friction between mankind because even in a specific there are rival factions. The cause of all war is the human condition. Freedom is a category that if micromanaged by labels like religion, gender, race and etc. would be wholly assaulted. Freedom is freedom and to be free, although at times can be foolish, is how society can grow toward a peaceful ideal. Cultivating history and the ability to learn from it in our children is the way to see human interrelation progress. From mistakes do we grow. NWO will be and nothing will stop the people who know that it must be established with the principles inherent in the creationg of the United States; although the world has changed and there have been a few alterations here and there, all in all everything will pan out and balance itself. With the amount of power the internet gives, knowledge is power, to the '"common folk" I doubt the agenda is to risk alienating the people and causing dissent because TPTB have to know that is a losing cause. Sheep do not possess the necessary tools to organize themselves so they follow the sheperd. We are all sheep to some degree and I believe the sheep become the wolf give or take the situation.random u get it tho

I'm all for a one world order too. Just not one run by corporations with Monsanto-like ideas. Big Pharmacy..Big Health care....those would all be part of our leaders, just like they are now.

The fact that some people are arguing for a slave class without seeing any ethical problem with it is disturbing.

ButterCookie,

The New World Order is not about creating a "united world." That's just the deceptive sales pitch. It is a about creating an enslaved world: individuals and nations enslaved by transnational corporations that are run by global elites. Of course, they don't sell it that way, or no one would buy it!

Wars won't end if the NWO takes over. Warfare will just become less about nations fighting each other and more clearly about different corporate interests at war with each other, quite literally.

You're right to be wary of religion. However, that should include the New World Order. 'Save the planet' is a euphemism for 'kill the people.' We all want clean water and air. That doesn't mean you need to join the Save The Planet Death Cult.

It takes guts to state your views openly on here. However, at the end of the day, I think the New World Order has nothing in common with the ideals of peace, love, and harmony--and everything to do with a global fascist government that wants to rule over each and every minute facet of our lives.

See also: Fabian Socialism

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I would not worry about it, the enterprise always gets flooded. It's just the way it is, then it gets built on again, it's the way it is. Life is not nice, I know, maybe sometime the enterprise gets to live, who knows. Not under these conditions, you see the empire always gets built on suffering and blood.

In stead of becoming explorers we become something else, sad.
Can't go off this planet into the universe, you would infest others. Earth is sort of alcatraz for the con artists.
I would cheer up tho in 2012 if there is a shift it's the return in living in peace I hope, where you sleep in your little cozy little bed and get to tell feiry tails of an old empire that once existed.

It's just my view on things.

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Star!!

I like your signature line by the way..I always wondered why Jay Z said that in that song.....

Anyways, I totally agree with you about sheep not having the necessary tools to organize, make major decisions and decide what is essentially best for them. Proponents of teh NWO agree with this, as I do because this is fact. It may sound harsh but it is reality.

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I am friends with proponents of the NWO ideology without the negative but realistic applications. I have only one issues with them that I find in your logic as well. You greatly underestimate people in my view. The potential for the peoples of this world to unite and rally together of there own free will rather than conform to a manipulated, controlled and forced single unitary dictatorship is possible. Not until the manipulations and divisions by class and generalization are lifted from society though.

Even with the NWO agenda, this world will continue to be at war on a massive scale in rebellious, revolutionary, anarchist and flat out civil war because the human factor is underestimated.

That's just my observation of it all. Thanks for sharing your point of view though OP. I just disagree.

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I am sorry but that does sound a little bit more than harsh butter....It is downright insulting...if people dont have a voice because they are enslaved it does not make them sheep...In order to have a voice these days you need to have some kind of influence....or you become a group of THOSE people.

to have a voice you have to become part of the very system you may want to speak out about..do you not think that the people of Africa would love a voice....but do they have one...no because they are so concerned with where their next meal may come from.

Also to have a voice an education does help...but i myself have noticed as i get older that people are being systematically dumbed down..through Media and through society by keeping kids so involved that they cannot focus on things for more than a second at a time.

this is not going to be a nicey nicey NWO...it will be a controlled NWO and your either with it or your deemed as a detriment to society so therefore WE the NWO decides your a burden on society and you must go.

but hey....IT is nice to see the brainwashing systematic programming is working....but i for one...will not be programmed to think some people are ever more deserving than another...we are all the same and we all deserve a fair chance in life to be decided by the individual....but the same time the individuals need to have the tools to be able to make fair choices.

You sound a lot like a friend of mine. He is a dreamer. Nothing wrong with being a dreamer. That is where new ideas, and ways of thinking are born. But, a dream must be tempered with a certain amount of pragmatism to be attainable.

There is a balance to the universe, and an all controlling global entity goes against that balance. If you focus on specialization, you breed in inferiority. All a one world government would have to do is make one catastrophic mistake, and we're all toast. Specialization, and hive mindedness is for insects not highly evolved beings. The human condition becomes wretched under even the most magnanimous tyranny. In fact the more magnanimous a dictator see himself the more wretched the condition of his subjects usually is.

I think the reason you so easily espouse the idea of a NWO is because you think you would have some great place in it. You believe yourself meritous enough to be recognized by this gargantuan mechanism. You would be delusional to think so. Imagine a chicken at a poultry farm. That's you as a member of the NWO. When your time comes you will be ended with a very anti-climactic thump, and no one of any import would even notice or care that you are gone.

A unified world would be a good thing. We can be unified in purpose without a total fusion of culture, or governance. In fact it is the variance of cultures that make them so appealing. Without a certain amount of isolation, and conservation cultural individuality would cease to exist. A one world culture would be a blan, and boring thing.

Gradients, and differentials is what makes the whole universe work. If we smushed all homo sapiens in one big pot, and eradicated all social, and cultural gradients, there would be a societal stagnation. Without a certain amount of dynamic tension the system doesn't work. It applies to physics, and it applies to social systems. The NWO as invisioned by TPTB is a system that only exists to serve it creators, NOT to serve humanity, and the betterment of mankind. I would refuse to exist so a narcissistic bastard can live like a god, while my fellow man grovels for scraps from his "system." If you can defend that as a good idea I find that supremely disturbing. Your self esteem needs an overhaul. You should be free to own your decisions to help, or not help, when, and where you choose, and own the consequence of helping or not in the manner you chose. Totalitarian control takes that away, and the human phsyche cannot survive in that condition.

Even if the NWO had the best of intentions, which is far, far from the case, C.S. Lewis summed it up best:

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals. " - Clive Staples Lewis

While eliminating borders, reducing population, and living a healthier/greener lifestyle is GREAT, I see solutions in the opposite direction. We need the opposite of global governance... in fact, the way I (and quite a few others) see it we need to ditch top-down governance (hierarchy) altogether. Hierarchy is based on people having authority over each other and the ability to coerce. This can apply to government, economics, religion, families, schools, you name it. The problem with authority is that it is currently given in INSANE amounts to mere human beings, and they're then able to wield this potent power over OTHER human beings and especially lifeforms/ecosystems. This is not good. As we know, great power corrupts, and at the very least is unmanageable by our species. We cannot simply work out a few kinks or make a few tweaks and governments/large-scale economies will be alright. We cannot simply weed out certain people or make more laws against things we dont like. We've done this time and time again and it's proven disastrous, unjust/ugly, and ineffective. We must humbly accept that we are animals, intelligent and complex yes, but still animals. We must live in a way that is humble towards other humans and other lifeforms, we've proven that we can't sustainably handle great power, wealth, or even technology on such massive scales. I'm not saying we shouldn't use 'technology' because it's absolutely human to do so and is paramount to our survival as a species. However, we are playing with great fire (as we did with weapons of mass destruction) and the risks far outweigh the rewards, at least when implemented widely.

Also, having a diversity of cultures/systems (even though our planet is already pretty monocultural in many key respects) is actually a GOOD thing. Similar in nature to biology/evolution- the greater biological/genetic diversity there is, the more likely a species or life itself can survive disease or catastrophe that would have wiped EVERYTHING out if lifeforms were too similar. This is why GM crops are a problem- they all share more or less identical genetic code and when a disease comes along that kills one part of the crop it will kill all of it rapidly, whereas if the plant grew in the wild with a diversity of genetics, some would die off and some would be resistant and thus survive. Applying this back to society/cultures- if one or a few cultures/societies turns sour then the number of victims is reduced drastically in comparison to national governments and especially a world government which encompasses/governs INCREDIBLE amounts of people. The more we centralize and put all of our eggs in one basket, the more risk we take with our freedoms, lives, dignity, and diversity. Modern humans lived for over 100,000 years without centralized economies or governments, only in the last 10,000 years have we developed such things (along with totalitarian agriculture) and look where it has lead us...

Hope that made sense, as I'm fairly tired.
Instead of looking into one-world government or even accepting multiple governments, perhaps you should look into Anarchism first:
www.infoshop.org...

Originally posted by css1981
You are correct. A new world order is not such a bad thing... I think one of the or the most important thing to change is religion... One world, one religion. If all the people in the world would have the same religion then there would be much less fighting and meaningless wars..

then go live in a communist society.

You know this whole idea of domocracy and you have FREEDOM to choose what you want to do or believe in life.????

and dont tell me this one god is going to preach you have free will ???

There is fighting in the world because man creates it not religion. Man uses God to justify why he can go to war .

Face the fact bad people create wars not religion.

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Despite the fact the bible contains dozens accounts of the Christian god instigating wars and even wiping out the entirety of the human population, with the exception of a few?

Religion seems to have started lots of wars, God tells people to make war all the time in the old testament.

Please think before you post this sort of nonesense, this is exactly the reason people cannot have sound debates here anymore.

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for starters i didnt mention a religion to began with but since where on the topic of christianity.

Have you not realised there is a new testament?

After the birth of christ GOD changed his ways.

The fact is in the modern world , crusades, world wars islam vs christianity , war on terror , war aganst usa, civil wars etc... has nothing to do with GOD or Religion.

BAD man use religion to justify there actions. God nor religion tells them to go and start wars.

Does mohamed say go blow up cars as suicide bombers and fly plans into buildings?
Man does as he pleases , he looks out for his own back side. He uses GOD as a means for justification.

the golden rule of christianity. Do not treat others... in ways you would not like to be treated

anyways im not the one talking nonesence. The real problem is humans are weak in the mind and change can never happen for the better because there is always someone who is going to disagree and that is what freedom is.

The New World Order is really just a big form of the Old World Order, the old medieval world order, where families of people not unlike John Gotti or Al Capone or King Henry VIII push everybody around and make the world just the way they like it.

In the medieval world, the serfs existed for two reasons, to be robbed of the wealth they produced by God's annointed ones and to provide their sons as soldiers. Period.

If you want to see what the New World Order would be like, just look at Nazi Germany, and I mean really look into what was going on there. Nazi Germany was a country run by a criminal gang that divided it up for their own purposes of conspicuous consumption. It was like most of the barbarous empires of the past.

In the New World Order you would have a tremendous consolidation of power way above the daily working mundanities of the planet. That's a situation tailor made for all manner of corruption and disaster. Look at the recent history of the United States where champions of the New World Order had free reign over the US foreign policy and economy for eight years under George W. Bush. What are you left with? A colossal wreck.

The world needs to communicate freely, to distribute information and trade in equitable ways, to work out arrangements to do that, but it doesn't need a level of super authority to dictate a course of action for everyone.

It is unwise to put all your eggs in one basket. Authority needs to be distributed. Consolidation of power only serves the needs of the consolidators, who then proceed to milk the situation for all it is worth. This has happened over and over and over in this world.

"A sucker is born every minute." "Never give a sucker an even break." The New World Order is just the latest scam aimed at suckers.

well, maybe a group or committee that plans every factor of the world community is organized and effective.

the global banking community is already at that stage, these wealthy power players leverage national policies already, they are abieted by think tanks and NGOs like The Trilateral commission, the Bilderberger, and of
course the Council of Foreign Relations... thru lobbysts these powerful bankster elite also pull the strings
at the IMF, the World Bank, the EU, the USA Congress...
the informal London-NY-Washington Axis controls the north atlantic including the core of NATO.

we are already in the NWO, all that's missing is the charismatic frontman

Originally posted by St Udio
well, maybe a group or committee that plans every factor of the world community is organized and effective.

There is plenty of evidence that they are not effective and that they serve the interests of the few. The economic history of the world shows that. Benefits that have accrued to other levels of society are only part of "the cost of doing business". Everything possible to reduce those costs is being done and has been done. The disappearance of the "middle class" in various parts of the world is proof of it. With total authority in the hands of the few, there would be no stopping that process and no level above subsistence living that the working classes would be permitted to occupy.

If the rich could house everyone in stables and feed them hay, they would. Ordinary folks do not understand the level of amoral depravity these people are capable of reaching. Even the example of the Nazi grotesqueness doesn't make an impression on many people. It is really incredible how people can be taken in by this stuff.

Originally posted by ipsedixit

Originally posted by St Udio
well, maybe a group or committee that plans every factor of the world community is organized and effective.

There is plenty of evidence that... they serve the interests of the few.
Everything possible to reduce those costs is being done and has been done.
The disappearance of the "middle class" in various parts of the world is proof of it. With total authority in the hands of the few, there would be no stopping that process and no level above subsistence living that the working classes would be permitted to occupy.

If the rich could house everyone in stables and feed them hay, they would. Ordinary folks do not understand the level of amoral depravity these people are capable of reaching. Even the example of the Nazi grotesqueness doesn't make an impression on many people. It is really incredible how people can be taken in by this stuff.

maintaing a status quo in the western world is not at issue... a middle class is not the point.
What is the point is that a central control planning, is organized & effective ~on paper~

what mucks up the works is individual hubris, greed, etc on the part of the central planners...

if an oversight committee is part of a failsafe system, to reign in any excesses by the NWO/Globalist
central elites then i would still need to be convinced daily that the central planner overlords were taking the best path possible, and doing the most good for the majority as is possible,

i never said it would be 'good' or ideal... i only said organized and effective.

the current bankster elites that are the puppet-masters of many of the worlds leadership & lawmakers
are not very good at being NWO/Globalist planners... their malfeasance in fiscal systems has overturned the apple cart...
they had better listen more to paths & policies which think tanks & orgs like the Bilderbergers/CFR/TLC
IMF/BIS/UN all input to them...and think in terms of humanities survival instead of their own gain

A real New World Order would be one completely different from the one envisaged by George Herbert Walker Bush. It would involve caps on the amount of wealth that could be controlled by the top level of the society and the recycling of wealth into infrastructure for everyone on the planet. It would raise, not lower, the standard of living for everyone.

The Bush's should try to create that sort of New World Order in the United States. If they did, the United States would be the richest, strongest, most comfortable nation on earth . . . for real . . . not just on the "credit card".

That's a New World Order I could buy into. There is not a chance in hell of that sort of New World Order ever coming about with the current crew of corporate welfare bums and bailout deadbeats in charge.

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I recommend you read some Mises to see why central planning often results in draconian measures.

Originally posted by St Udio
what mucks up the works is individual hubris, greed, etc on the part of the central planners...

if an oversight committee is part of a failsafe system, to reign in any excesses by the NWO/Globalist
central elites then i would still need to be convinced daily that the central planner overlords were taking the best path possible, and doing the most good for the majority as is possible,

i never said it would be 'good' or ideal... i only said organized and effective.

the current bankster elites that are the puppet-masters of many of the worlds leadership & lawmakers
are not very good at being NWO/Globalist planners... their malfeasance in fiscal systems has overturned the apple cart...
they had better listen more to paths & policies which think tanks & orgs like the Bilderbergers/CFR/TLC
IMF/BIS/UN all input to them...and think in terms of humanities survival instead of their own gain

You're right. This is the problem in a nutshell, but there is no solution to the problem. In the United States there is a system of "checks and balances" provided for in the US Constitution that was systematically undermined during the administration of George W. Bush. He ignored congressional subpoenas, had legislation passed that was not even read by Congress and deregulated the banking industry.

There is no defense against these people and nothing that they are not capable of perpetrating in the name of greed. And when it all falls down they scaremonger the dopes and get them to bail out the catastrophe.

These people need less power not more. Humanity as a whole has got to get a whole lot less lazy about looking out for themselves.