New World Order...not such a bad idea

reply to post by joechip

"Expanding one's territory" is exactly what the Nazis were doing when they invaded Poland. And France. And had the Allied forces not stopped the advance, the world

You do appreciate America more or less spend the next 50 years invading most of the planet after that yeah?

Im sorry joechip, I am firmly under that beliefe that what ever evil is perpetrated, it is perpatrated as a very specific, cost effective means to an end at the time. Nature does not often make time for morality, and as history shows, the advancement of the human species has never been particularly hamperd by it. Do you think a shark would evolve to the top of the food chain if it felt marauding through the oceans murdering everything in sight to satiate its hunger was cruel?

I also believe that such deeds are only supplanted when needed, Hitler was indeed back by many wealthy elites as you say, however, they backd him for quite specific reasons, they wanted an efficient slave labour pool, much like our third world countries of the day. Hitler labour laws and treatment of trade unions were pretty dire, forced labour for western exports?, sure why not. Why would the money men care how he acheived this, its only when he probably breachd his terms of contract by invading one too many nations did things have to stop. I imagine aswell he must have seemd like a good investment to help bolster Europe against an ever threatning Russia.

Im just curious to know toughh, if there is no one left to fight, why does anyone think there will be a need to enslave everyone as tools against.....who exactly?

I have thought about this same thing before and was actually going to start a thread myself until I found this one.

Any time someone brings up the topic of NWO people cringe. But I believe to truly become a type 1 civilization we need a world government of some kind. Not the one the elite/illuminati/masons/whoever want, but one like the US: by the people, for the people, and of the people. I'm not naive enough to think it's going to come easily, but I do think it needs to happen if we as humans are ever to colonize space.

We all fear that which we don't understand. It's human nature, but if we keep this new world gov't completely open to the public, with proper representation for all countries, I think it could work for the benefit of all.

reply to post by On the Edge


I won't condemn your view point either, but how would Christ look at those who are fine with how things are on Earth right now. When you are sitting in your ac/heated computer room, drinking your 4th or 5th plastic bottle of the day, eating your decent fast food because you didn't feel like cooking, what about those living in complete HELL because of our habits? Is turning the cold shoulder on these people something Christ would have preached? In my opinion, he would have inspired us all to stand up to these oppressors and like Gandhi, do it peacefully (or as peaceful as possible). This is why a grassroots NWO is needed, WE need to be able to oversee what is going on, on a global scale.

A New World Order doesn't have to consist of oppression or one world religion. It needs to consist of being sustainable and being able to support *every* person on Earth. At the very basic levels, no man, women, or child should be without; food, clean water, comfortable shelter, and access to transportation and basic communications. Also another driving force, the economy, should be credit based so it will be able to grow, people should be rewarded with credits based on the amount they contribute, and credits should increase value each time they are spent. That way, you would be able to eliminate taxes because the increased value of credit would be able to put towards advancements in society.

I think right now what needs to happen to accomplish this: Expose the current "elites" (for the record, no one on this forum should actually think those people are better than oneself) from the bottom up. By doing that, it will also bring about; disclosure to forbidden technologies and sciences. Then ultimately, the toughest part will be for people to agree on a common set of morals. Religion *doesn't* need to be cast away or shunned, but no mans rights should ever be in danger because of differences in religion, however I believe that by exposing the criminals, we will see all the changes and truths made to religions over the years. When people can see they have been misguided, they will question their beliefs. We can only hope that is for the best.

reply to post by ButterCookie

It's just another form of communism, the collective. I hate any form of control if t's not well intended.
You can control your kids but not the entire population of this planet. You see I like it in the fall when I get to roll around in the dirt, where not everything is spotless, kid of makes life bumpy, you get that sensation of calmness but in a strong way. Once this thing is in place it's over, it's gone. You will be a number, walk like a robot, obey rules, the machine, the hive, welcome to the collective. Something like north corea but advanced like china.

reply to post by Johnze


Yes, I appreciate the fact of the American Empire. I don't care for it either. I disagree with you that you can take a Darwinist approach to social issues. The Nazis did that. We're better than that, and besides, it doesn't work. The great physicist Mr Hawking would have been killed at birth (or possibly before) using the survival of the fittest argument. Eugenics is always wrong. I stand by that.
The "New World Order" is what we're discussing here, not merely a new world order. It has been planned, funded and orchestrated along very specific lines, by a specific group of people. I'd love a United Federation of Planets like we have on star trek, but that's fiction, this is real...all too real.
I don't believe we'll have the same sorts of wars we had in the past, wars of expansion...we'll have widespread genocide. We already do. Read up on some of their own theories, they WANT to reduce the population. Massively. Like the 1 generation seed "donation" of the elite to africa, they use their wealth to promote a great dying off. All in the guise of philanthropy.
Tip of the iceberg here in this excellent thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Because they CAN get away with it, doesn't mean they should get away with it.

reply to post by Johnze


I agree with your statements about Hitler and feared that my ideas would be too unpopular to place in this thred, so thank you for expressing them for me.

I have stopped viewing Hitler and other 'dictators' like him as evil mad man, the way we have been taught to view them. They believed fully in the survival of the fittest and were pretty much marching us into a NWO without trying to people please. At least they understood the 'ugliness' of necessary evils, but most importantly, that those evils were indeed necessary.

Think about it: who is going to volunteer to die if the population crept up over 9 billion? No one. In fact Hitler was n't just picking out people to kill like "Eeny meeny miny moe"...it truly was survival of the fittest. For example, you educated and your open minded people would benefit a NWO more than a dependent, uneducated person. So they either are erradicated or put to work as a slave. I'm speaking about those that DO NOT want to change, become educated ot evolve. Are they not 'wasting space and resources'?

There is a need for a ruling class as well as a need for a working class. We have to understand that.

reply to post by ButterCookie


A question. Is your avatar (Orwell's 1984) intended as an implicit endorsement of the world depicted in the novel? You are one scary fellow,

reply to post by joechip


reply to post by joechip


Again though i would to stress, i do believe the actions perpatrated by governments on behalf of wealthy,expansionast corporations are simply a means to an end in order to bring about a truly global one world government. I cant imagine its a particularly easy thing to try and accomplish. Lets be honest, weve only invaded a couple of muslim nations, and its been a complete #ing nightmare, but the fact is, there are several pockets of the world that are simply refusing to get on board and still cling to this national identity nonesense.

We need the resources poorer nations have, we need the money gaind from harvesting them, and to be quite honest its going to happen as economicaly as possible because it means we advance technology a lot faster. The faster we advance technologicaly, in the long run, the less pressure is on us a species and the quicker we can unite under a technological golden age.

Concerning population control, you suggest there will be mass genocide, what makes you say that?. Im all for population control, i think allowing overpopulation to the point were we can no longer support the demand before technology can provide alternate means of survival is recklessly stupid. But im a little unsure of how population control will go from responsible breeding programmes to mass genocide.

Also on the matter of eugenics, i have never supported the murdering of disabled persons, i believe genetic diversity, where possible is the most powerful tool evolution has, restricting that is madness. I do however firmly believe in the erradication of the criminal minded wastrels who do nothing but put constant strain on society and only hamper the diversion of resources from effective uses. It should no longer be tolerated.

And look man, im educated to a pretty high standard, im prety aware of whats going on around me in my enviroment, and a lot of scare mongering concerning the NWO is just that, why are people not proclaiming the benefits of this NWO's scientific contributions?

ZOMG PARTICLE ACCELERATORS RECEIVE NWO MONEY ZOMG ZOMG DOWN WITH SCIENCE!!!!

Fear is the mind killer eh. You have to ask yourself WHY are they doing this?, people dont plan global take overs, genocide and global wide conspiracies, just because they can. They could use there wealth to take helicopter rides and go on roller coasters all day long for the rest of there lives, thats something you do, just because you can.

Just tell me, why do you believe a wealthy few want to enslave the worlds population, what is there reason for doing this?, what really is the rational explination for a centuarys long conspiracy simply to enslave everyone and sit there going mwuuuaahahaha now they are all slaves!, TO WHAT END!, WHY WHY DO IT.

Please enlighten me.

As our race digs its own grave day by day, the programmed 'need' for the NWO will be forgotten as we eventually turn back into star stuff.
99.999%+ of humans have no idea what freedom is, what their rights truely are, they are 'edu-cated' into believing they do know. I thought I knew my rights until about 6 months ago, now I can see the invisible glass dome for what it is and how to remove its obstruction. Guess I'd make good NWO accompanying fodder, too bad that I only stop for the truth; facts that are not rebutted - the 'NWO' can get lost outta my life, for they are the greatest decievers of all.

reply to post by ButterCookie


Indeed, you will probably enjoy this documentary by Oliver Stone when it is released

www.imdb.com...

It concerns how America happily supported, structured his economy and effectively eased him into power to become a powerful trading partner and at the same time puts a pretty different perspective on Hitler with regards to what were taught i.e an angry jew hating pyscho who did all this crazy # for what history tells us is no real reason at all apparently, just because he could.

critical thought this
power corrpts
absolute power corrups absolutly

why stop at 600,000 people left why not wipe us all out?
how far is to far?

who decides if you stay alive and can have kids?

all consolidated power does is to enslave NOT save

wake the #$@# up and see what you are saying

no offence intended just thought a short shape dose of real world is required

angry xploder

Originally posted by kyle43
reply to post by On the Edge

 

1... how would Christ look at those who are fine with how things are on Earth right now. When you are sitting in your ac/heated computer room, drinking your 4th or 5th plastic bottle of the day, eating your decent fast food because you didn't feel like cooking, what about those living in complete HELL because of our habits?

2...A New World Order doesn't have to consist of oppression or one world religion. It needs to consist of being sustainable and being able to support *every* person on Earth. At the very basic levels, no man, women, or child should be without; food, clean water, comfortable shelter, and access to transportation and basic communications. Also another driving force, the economy, should be credit based so it will be able to grow, people should be rewarded with credits based on the amount they contribute, and credits should increase value each time they are spent. That way, you would be able to eliminate taxes because the increased value of credit would be able to put towards advancements in society.

3... the toughest part will be for people to agree on a common set of morals. Religion *doesn't* need to be cast away or shunned, but no mans rights should ever be in danger because of differences in religion,

I believe Christ will judge each of us individually,so while I realize you were addressing "you" in the collective sense,your view really doesn't apply to me personally. I don't eat fast food,I don't have air conditioning,my car is 20 years old,...but I'm not complaining!

I am pretty sure my habits haven't done near the damage you may imagine that I have inflicted. How about complaining about the U.N. and how it confiscated most of the money that good people sent to help the Haitians,for instance? That's as close as we have for world-government at the moment. Why isn't that working,in spite of it's lofty sounding ambitions?

It sounds to me like you're describing a version of Marxist Utopia,though I may be wrong about the labels.
As for a standard of moral conduct,what was wrong with Jesus's commandment to love one another as you love yourself? Maybe if everyone did that on an individual basis,right up to and including "the elite",the world would be a better place,especially considering they control all of the world's resources!

However,until you can change basic human nature in which certain individuals are inspired toward greed and depravity,I don't see any change possible.

Good luck with your ideals. I still believe this world is going to keep on getting worse before anyone can do a thing to stop it,and all we can really do is perhaps make a difference in our own homes and neighborhoods,and within ourselves. Like I said,if everyone would just do that,it would spread out,and the world would be a better place.

Then,even if it appears that evil is winning,you can still die knowing that you did all you could with the life you had,in ways you could see an immediate difference.

(I trimmed my neighbor's shrubs today,without asking,without telling them,and without expecting any reward. Just because they needed it and they are disabled and not capable of seeing things like that get done,but I know they care about how their yard looks. Little things like that are important in my eyes. I can imagine them feeling pretty happy when they see it,too,and thinking to themselves,"Wow,someone is looking after us!" and feeling grateful for the kindness of a "stranger")

reply to post by XPLodER


Would have been nice if you were capable to contributing something at least slightly substantial, whatever, no matter.

Tell me, what would be in anyway logical about reducing the Earths population to 600,000 effectively wiping out the vast majority of scientists, engineers etc all sorts of highly, highly specialised people, astronaughts, teachers, the lot, all dead?. Im sorry but that truly is the most idiotic thing ive ever heard on this site and im sure you can imagine how much crazy is on here.

If you truly fear they will wipe out billions upon billions of people, effectively ending whatever chance humanity has to evolve you live in some mental fantasy world that is no way based on any sort of known reality.

Will look forward to reading your rense links, great.

reply to post by Johnze


Because most of those scientists have been restricted to our simple, 50 year plus old conventional technology that we are 'edu-cated' about. The NWO have the 'black ops' anti grav/scalar/etc tech which makes our 'modern science' look like fisher prices' 'my first book', so they have little need for our mass conditioned university sheeple. If the education system ever teaches us anything powerful it is wrapped up in red tape; the BAR society for example - They (law-yers) can't free people from the system, nuff said.

reply to post by GhostR1der


LOL

whatever, look man, we clearly see things differently, if you want to contribute to this debate, please do me the courtesy of backing up what your saying.

THERE WILL BE NO NWO FOR I WILL RIDE MY MYTHICAL PHOENIX INTO BATTLE AND FACE THOSE DEMONS WITH MY ANGELIC KNIGHTS THIS I PROMISE YOU!!!!

Thats basicaly what you may well have said. If you truly believe men with triple doctorates in atomic sciences from the finest universities in the world are un educated sheeple on account of the anti grav LAZORS PEW PEW then please, show me. If not, please do not contribute anything further with your shenanigans.

reply to post by Johnze


We don't need a rational discussion about slavery and why we're opposed to allowing a small evil group of psychopaths that put posions in our foods and medicines and starve billions, and blow apart whoever they chosein their wars, destroy nature, make billions off disasters such as BPs, where they owned shares in the chemical they dumped into the ocean and all the depleted uranium that in nano dust form, which it goes to really fast, is one of the deadliest radiactive forms there is, to rule us as if they have the right to. They need to be arrested and imprisoned for crimes against humanity and if they wish to not be, they had better start redistributing all the goods of this world to all the people and abolishing most laws, all banks, realtors and step down.

Because many don't like slavery or the all out underground nuclear war they have waged with their toxins against humanity for decades.

Because I would rather the sun super nova'd, no I would rather the unviverse did, than see evil continue, but have to keep working on this delimna of believing earth is a school and that holding a negative thought like that is not progressive. But its a very hard one, for me.

reply to post by Unity_99


Well personaly i do believe a rational discusion on slavery is in order. Chances a great deal of the every day items you use are in someway a product of slave labour or the "free market" economy i should say. Theres no point burying your head in the sand about it, its all very well taking up other causes, other evils to point out and pretend to be outraged at, just so long as it helps you forget the ones you are directly party too eh?.

Also with regards to the NWO on morality, personaly i do not feel we as a species should be held back by morality, not in the slightest.

reply to post by joechip


Actually, I'm a woman and my avator was what I chose a year or two ago...mybe I'll consider changing it now that I see it in a different light...thanks for the idea

reply to post by Johnze


Take this as a cop-out if you want, but I can hardly see what is to be gained by discussing the merits of the NWO with fans of Adolph Hitler. To say we're coming from irreconcilable points of view is wildly understating the case. I support your right to be this inherently offensive, I just won't be taking part in the discussion anymore. It sickens me.