New World Order...not such a bad idea

reply to post by HappilyEverAfter


I was agreeing. "YWO" is a much better idea than "NWO." =)
Take all the YWOs, put them together, and you get some sort of uber-civilization of individuality and free-thinking.

I apologize for not thoroughly reading every intervening post on this topic.

The original poster stated the following:

"Lastly, I feel that the fear mongering behind the NWO is stemmed from our religious sect. "

I thought this was important to comment upon.

Let us not forget that the agencies promoting and urging forward a new world order are themselves EXTREMELY religious. If you've read the research work of Jim Marrs and other such writers tracking the timeline of NWO, through the Knights Templar to present time, religion is pretty much the only common denominator.

I am NOT making a claim against religion - but merely stating that the various religions not considered "part of the bigger plan" may be the only freedom fighters we have.

In order to create a New World Order the ideas of decency, morality, ethics and faith need to be completely crushed. The two targets to be destroyed, therefore, would be religion and the family. Take a look at the Communist Manifesto.

I for one would not mind a peaceful, cooperative and benevolent government.

But if you are saying that it could be "good for us" that a handful of vested interested who have patiently been putting the pieces together and stringing lies together in an intricate plan to deceive the general population and beat them into a submission (or apathy) where the only way out is their proposal of an all powerful world government - unquestioned and unthinking in the ways of basic human rights and dignity...

How could something good and beneficial be arrived at through such deviant methods?

"Yeah! We've been sticking it to you where the sun don't shine for ages! But now that you accept us as your leaders, we're gunna be nice and help ya'll to reach mankind's true potential!"

Only one problem stands in our way, and that's religion.

reply to post by DuceizBack


Disclosure would blow that out of the water.

This is why there is an advance buzz that when we first witness evidence of alien life, or et disclosure it will be by manufactured holograms to trick us into joining a NWO or worse depending on our own individual governments to defend and protect our best interests.

In other words, we'll be up the creek, without religion or a paddle.

reply to post by rusethorcain


Why do people act as if we need religion?

reply to post by DuceizBack


Because sometimes they are scared to death. That is all I can figure.

How Every Child Can Grow Up Global
www.pbs.org...

The example of children mobilizing for a cause beyond their circumstances demonstrates their readiness to embrace a global mindset. With encouragement and good examples at home and in their community, qualities like compassion, generosity, and practicing the Golden Rule become standards they wish to strive toward, and which put substance behind what it means to be a global citizen. The notion of global citizenship becomes clearer when I recall the ethic, "Be a friend to the whole human race." Friendship is a universal value - it's important to everyone, and it can be fun. Envisioning this on a wider scale ("to the whole human race"), discussing it, and practicing it in daily life serve as simple, yet powerful tools for raising a new generation to be well-adjusted and peaceful, and ultimately, successful and happy.

It has already begun.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
How Every Child Can Grow Up Global
www.pbs.org...

The example of children mobilizing for a cause beyond their circumstances demonstrates their readiness to embrace a global mindset. With encouragement and good examples at home and in their community, qualities like compassion, generosity, and practicing the Golden Rule become standards they wish to strive toward, and which put substance behind what it means to be a global citizen. The notion of global citizenship becomes clearer when I recall the ethic, "Be a friend to the whole human race." Friendship is a universal value - it's important to everyone, and it can be fun. Envisioning this on a wider scale ("to the whole human race"), discussing it, and practicing it in daily life serve as simple, yet powerful tools for raising a new generation to be well-adjusted and peaceful, and ultimately, successful and happy.

It has already begun.

Well wait a second there...

What you've quoted is a benign, benevolent, and beneficial version of global awareness. Certainly I agree with being a global citizen more than being beholden to one country and attacking anybody else with nationalist/jingoist fervor.

There is a difference between having respect for all humans while viewing yourself as a "citizen" of planet Earth and dominating world government. Having an all-powerful one world government is a BAD form of globalization and is something we should resist, however, we should also resist zealous nationalism and warfare based on imaginary borders/governments. Personally, being an Anarchist, I think we can have the best of both worlds- a global awareness/unity as a species and as Earthlings AS WELL AS the elimination of centralized/powerful governments/markets/militaries/etc.

reply to post by NoHierarchy



This is my point with the post.
Globalization can be good and at it's heart... is good.

What we are afraid of is ourselves.

Now wait a second.....

I thought you believed in the fact that there is a super dominant handful of globalist elites hell bent on taking over the world and putting its population into a police state/slave society type of setting - this is what we often refer to as "New World Order."

If you believe that this is happening then you at the same time know: that they control major media distribution and historical texts so that both media and history provide a propaganda that would appear to make logical a progression into such a world government affair. They make SEEM natural what they create in order to suit their own ends.

You also know and believe that any institution such as faith-based religion that would promoted individuality and morality would be a necessary target of destruction. The idea of a "strong family" or "family loyalty" are also necessary "evils" to these people and they seek to destroy that as well.

You thus know/believe that the mass media is structured to feed you with a bunch of propaganda about the "innate insanity of man" and the "psychosis of the masses".

HOWEVER - despite this knowledge you use as support for your argument the propaganda you know you're being fed as if it were valid and factual.

Your argument is very typical: you believe that your fellow human beings are evil, ravening monsters that, without strict control, would cause devastation across the planet.

Yet you also know by the very fact that you believe in the impending New World Order that the "evidences" of the "evil of man" are inside jobs/intricately worked conspiracies led and brought about by corruption (WW I, WW II, Korean War, Vietnam, etc. just to name those pieces of "evidence" in the last century).

So you don't get to be an "NWO" conspiracy "theorist" at this point. You are either:

1) Planted on this form by the Bilderberg group to promote their hidden agenda (highly unlikely).
2) Not knowledgable at all about what NWO actually refers to, what it stands for and the history of its development (highly likely).
3) Completely apathetic and ready to just give in because it doesn't matter anyway so why try? (As likely as #2)

I'm not some massively religious guy. But I also don't think religion has any role to play in the destruction of civilization. If anything, religion must be made to seem that way in order to get rid of it so that citizens WILL start to act like godless animals/zombies.

The idea that there is NO god or afterlife or human soul or karma or universal brotherhood is the very idea that makes it okay to do whatever you want to others and the planet - because what does a few pounds of flesh matter?

You can't get people to indiscriminately hate, distrust, kill, or act like conditioned rats while they hold human values and virtues dear to their hearts.

(p.s. don't try to cite the religious extremist examples as "reasons". You and I both know that these extremists fall in the VAST minority and their exploits are highly exaggerated and propagandized to create the idea that it's "all religious people.")

Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by DuceizBack

 

Because sometimes they are scared to death. That is all I can figure.

Religion is the control device. But what these religious zealots don't understand is that you MUST believe in yourself first and foremost, otherwise the religion you "believe in" means absolutely nothing.

That is the sad oxymoron of it all. People can't believe in themselves and then they can't imagine doing good all the time because it is the right thing to do, they NEED someone or some other idea to take care of them, to seek comfort in an idea or false entity to grab comfort from any other place other than themselves or those around them. They lack the intelligence to understand their own faults, it's everyone elses fault because WE don't believe in what they believe in. That makes non-believers sinners or bad people. We think outside the box, they believe no one should be outside the box. It's scary out there!!!!

reply to post by CaseCracker

I'm not some massively religious guy. But I also don't think religion has any role to play in the destruction of civilization.

Forgive me but I must vehemently disagree. All the world wars are fought over a different religious ideology, and to acquire land in the name of religion for the people who hold that "religion" dear.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by CaseCracker

 

Forgive me but I must vehemently disagree. All the world wars are fought over a different religious ideology, and to acquire land in the name of religion for the people who hold that "religion" dear.

So you've been told...

This is my exact point. The use of historical and media provided "proof" which you know to be false. Next you'll tell me the Civil War was to free the slaves!

Wars are about making money. All sorts of causes are created by pitting two groups against each other. Bankers loan and finance both sides, turn double profits.

The idea of war raging over a holy land are kept alive and fueled by hidden agents on both sides of the conflict.

It's a scapegoat. A good one.

The world bankers and globalists are extremely religious. Look at their imagery, look at the Bohemian Grove, look at Skull and Bones. So part of the plan would be to subvert any practice with doctrines of morality or ethics.

Down with the New World Order, we need a One World Republic based on the Georgia Guidestones.

reply to post by ButterCookie


A new World Order is an inevitability in my mind even if ROME isnt behind it. www.abovetopsecret.com... read this thread I just posted the link for on the NWO. LOL interesting stuff btw the ideal NWO is a community like facebook, bleh, but with freedom and liberty blah blah not happening in this current state of global affairs. It will require a shrinking of the masses, WW3, to better " steer" the MOB toward one initiative. Then it will require a global constitution that will give absolute control, or at least globally speaking, to the selected "leaders". all these one world things will give the planet an identity to interrelate with yes, but at what cost? Instead of creating a NWO we are preparing for a NWO..... think about it

Originally posted by rusethorcain
Forgive me but I must vehemently disagree. All the world wars are fought over a different religious ideology, and to acquire land in the name of religion for the people who hold that "religion" dear.

This is false. The two World Wars were about nationalism and ideology, respectively. These, the most destructive wars in history, were not religious wars.

Of course, if we view religion, nationalism, and ideologies as all serving a common psychological function, then I might agree with you.

Well, sort of, because there's a still more important point. Relgion, ideology, etc. are actually just pretexts. Wars are in fact about the egos of the people on top. But some collectivist pretext is needed to get ordinary people with ordinary lives to suddenly see that it's really important for them to abandon their families, hopes, and dreams to go kill these people over here.

Religion has made a great pretext in the past because it was unquestioned. After the Age of Enlightenment, it wouldn't do anymore. But we just kept right on killing each other, this time due to the religion of king and country, or the religion of national socialism, or the religion of communism, or the religion of democracy.

I was having a conversation with a friend today about this, and after I brought up points, like the ones mentioned in this post, they admitted that they actually were caught off guard and needed to look at it objectively, as I had.

It started while shopping in Best Buy, and looking at all the latest gadgets and new technology.

I stated how a cell phones is technically outdated after 3 months and how technology itself is too hard to keep up (tv, cell phones, video game systems, computers, etc)

I explained how the microchip will become necessary and even begged for, just to be able to keep up.

Everything is becoming more and more compact; not only does the chip save more room, it gives people the luxury of having their technology/communication accessible 24/7, and we are just about there.

The chip, depopulation, world unification, eradication of religion......TYPE I civilization, here we come!

People know nothing about the world they envision. Once every nation that counts has a central bank (4 left to go?) and Israel is what they want it to be, what plans do they have for the commonners? Do they envision an utopia, much like the one we live in now (no matter what you say about the NWO, for most people who live in Europe and America live is goodish, where in ancient texts can you find large numbers of people dealing with the missfortune of having too much to eat), or are they going to decide they no longer need to provide entertainment, grant us liberties, allow us our distractions, feeling they are in a place where they can rule by force and intimidation, crashing our standard of living?

I just came across this thread, I actually was going to make one with the same title....kinda scary. But I think for different reasons.
I think the slaughter of innocents would be wrong, but the imposition of birth controls would be in order (1 man + 1 woman = 1 Child [each person would have a '1/2 birth credit' if you would, and once used up that is it]) this would reduce dramatically our population woe's, and eliminate the overburdened child production/welfare state that we have created(I have had experience with many 'rental assistants' tenants and about half within my experience get pregnant just to up their food stamp, or get more money available for rent, etc). Within several years this simple step would also reduce the overburdened school systems. and possibly lower property taxes on overburdened urban area's.
The clandestine secret societies shrouded plan to corrupt governments, and draw unwilling participants in to a death game of mind control and enslavement is sick and demeaning. But just reading threads on this site and others makes one realize how harsh and ruthless some people really are. Only by equalizing the entire playing field of the 'have's and have not's' and the redistribution of actual wealth can we truly be free. Imagine a world where you did not have to be a slave to a paycheck to worry about food, shelter, and health care. People would actually be free to pursue their own life's interest, and be happy to do so without fear of recrimination. Does this mean the death of democracy? maybe, but it also might be the beginning of a new way of life. Because lets be really honest, Democracy works, but Democracy doesn't work for everybody. (Look at the cartoon characters 'The Smurfs'. There society worked pretty well. all had there own duty's of which they chose and were happy to do so, they had a leader 'Papa' whose only job was to ensure the welfare of the others, not his own pocket.' The Smurfs were true communists. Communism could work, but only if money, and the greed of man was not present.
The arbitrary removal of weapons of personal protection for the ease of governmental control of it's citizens and to install fear of the the police and TPTB is asinine and backward thinking policy. Instead of this deadly war we continually are renewing and fighting against ourselves, why not take away the reasons guns are needed in the first place. If The monetary or social economic system were more evenly prescribed, there would be no need for robbery, thievery, food riots, power struggles, drug wars etc.. Yes I said it drug wars. Here is the thing, it we took money out of the Drug war, why would they actively produce and ship the drugs? They wouldn't. And lets be really honest, if people were actually happy with their lives, the amount of drug dependence would go down. and at that point if somebody wanted to grow and smoke there own pot they could. (Did you know the the the FDA & Big Pharma is actively trying to legalize not pot, but THC the active ingredient in pot so they can produce and sell it in pill form to make even more money from the populace on something that use to grow as a weed all over north America? I remember thinking that when bottled water started becoming popular 'this will never work who would pay for water?' Now we pay as much for water as for soda?!?! CRAZY)
The manipulation of Health care and Big Pharma for profit is an oxymoron. I thought the idea behind health care was to care for people's health. Is that what we are doing? Creating new drugs and medical procedures of which the side effects are far worse the original problem and convincing the populace that this is the only real route, while at the same time hiding natural cures for most of these issues and making naturally occurring plants and vitamins controlled substances to make further profits. I just don't understand. ALL HEALTH CARE SHOULD BE NON PROFIT PERIOD.
Maybe I am wrong, but who am I, but a county boy who believes there can be order in this life if only mankind would learn that making profit out of chaos is really counterproductive to the real human initiative of caring for our own, and not sh!tting where you eat. Peace, Love, and Happiness to you all.

reply to post by hope4better


I agree completely with you, and please note that I never supported the idea of slaughtering the innocent.

I agree with the ideas of population control, being chipped, and having a one world government.