Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero community center

I thought we were hating Mexicans now. I must have deleted the "let's hate Muslims" email by mistake. ATS needs a bulletin board so we can keep who we are supposed to hate in some sort of order.

I hope soon we can have a crack at the retarded and crippled. Useless eaters!!



*sarcasm* probably lost on some here....

[edit on 16-8-2010 by whaaa]

Originally posted by NJE03
First I just want to state that I am left speechless in regard to all of the racists coming out of the woodwork lately here on ATS. I find it to be rather disgusting.

As far as the mosque not being built, I only hope that this decision was not influenced by the racists as that would truly be a sad state of affairs.

Sadly, another example of someone playing the race card without a clue as to what the word actually means.

"Racist" comes from the word "race", and means basically prejudices against members of a specific race or races.

We are discussing religion on this and other related threads.

Islam is composed of peoples of just about all races. Therefore, someone against islam cannot be considered a racist. Perhaps you could call them "religionists", if such a word exists.

Understand?

Originally posted by centurion1211
Muslims also need to be sensitive to the wishes of their American hosts.

How many of the Muslims involved here are not Americans?

Is there a difference between a Muslim and an American?

Can one not be both?

How did that get so many stars on such a smart site with such a glaring problem with logic?

Originally posted by Lessinterested

Originally posted by centurion1211
Muslims also need to be sensitive to the wishes of their American hosts.

How many of the Muslims involved here are not Americans?

Is there a difference between a Muslim and an American?

Can one not be both?

How did that get so many stars on such a smart site with such a glaring problem with logic?

Already asked.

Already answered.

Read the thread ...

Originally posted by Lessinterested

How many of the Muslims involved here are not Americans?

Is there a difference between a Muslim and an American?

Can one not be both?

Yea what is the difference?

Why can't an American put a porn shop in front of a school? A porn shop is protected freedom of speech right? Oh yea, it's called taste and respect. Only a tasteless person would elect to set up a porn shop in front of a school and many decide to find other places which is totally fine. Additionally, there are all kinds of zoning laws that prevent such shops being set up in certain locations and it is totally fine.

But for some strange reason, a Muslim gets to bypass taste and respect and stick a mosque (called the Cordoba house no less) on ground zero. And for some strange reason this decision is totally defended by the powers that be and many others.

But yet the porn shop guy, who is also protected by the same 1st amendment, does not get the same protections as the Muslim.

So whats the difference between a Muslim and an American?

This deal with the mosque is not a hatred of muslims at all. People do not care if they build it just as long as it isn't done at that site. Also there is no one saying that if they put it somewhere else that they would have a problem with it, in fact there are those who said that they would be the first person there to help build it. In some peoples mind a mosque there would be disrespectful to all those who died there. Also it would just cause so many problems for both sides that it would not be worth it in the long run. To some this is just like any other place in the world, but to others it is a memorial for those who died. So this is not about hatred it is about showing respect to the innocent people that lost there lives for absolutely no reason at all because they were just going about their own lives.

Originally posted by whaaa
I thought we were hating Mexicans now. I must have deleted the "let's hate Muslims" email by mistake. ATS needs a bulletin board so we can keep who we are supposed to hate in some sort of order.

I hope soon we can have a crack at the retarded and crippled. Useless eaters!!



*sarcasm* probably lost on some here....

[edit on 16-8-2010 by whaaa]

How about taking a crack at those certain people that "defend" the constitution by defending the placement of a mosque (even though there are a zillion other places to put that mosque) yet turn around and want to chop up the 2nd amendment?

reply to post by centurion1211


The word you are looking for is "bigot", as affore mentioned muslims are not bound by any specific "race".

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. The correct use of the term requires the elements of intolerance, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.

You always claim to be a big supporter of the USA and Constitution, though you act as the wolf in the saying,
"Democracy is two wolves and one sheep voting on what's for dinner. Liberty is the sheep with a gun protesting the vote!"


What's with all the rabble rousers lately.

Originally posted by LordBaskettIV
"Democracy is two wolves and one sheep voting on what's for dinner. Liberty is the sheep with a gun protesting the vote!"

And Obama, the mosque defender and chief, wants to take that gun away.

This was the right decision. I heard a colleague saying something about how Washington will require building a battered women's shelter next to every mosque constructed in the U.S. - he was joking of course, but I found the joke extremely profound.

reply to post by wutone


Thinking and doing are two different things. He hasn't accomplished squat while in office. Taking my gun? I think not, and if he/they/government tried, I would see just how fast I can run through my ammo. I don't kowtow to authority as I don't need them.

Not to mention, I didn't even mention Obama? Bait much, or here for the kicks?

reply to post by wutone


I specifically asked about the statement about Muslims being good to their American hosts. The only Muslims I know are Americans so that makes no sense to me. Nothing you said has anything to do with that. If you really need me to explain the difference between decency laws and decency wishes, I would be happy to. Until then, lobby.

Originally posted by wutone
Why can't an American put a porn shop in front of a school? A porn shop is protected freedom of speech right? Oh yea, it's called taste and respect. Only a tasteless person would elect to set up a porn shop in front of a school and many decide to find other places which is totally fine. Additionally, there are all kinds of zoning laws that prevent such shops being set up in certain locations and it is totally fine.

But for some strange reason, a Muslim gets to bypass taste and respect and stick a mosque (called the Cordoba house no less) on ground zero. And for some strange reason this decision is totally defended by the powers that be and many others.

You answered your own question and you're wrong as you said yourself. There are LAWS that prevent a porn shop from being within a certain distance from a school, as you clearly pointed out, and the mosque is not protected from any similar law. Also the mosque is not ON ground zero. There's not strange reason, but rather no LAW, that I'm aware of, to prevent a mosque at the proposed location. If you have an issue, contact your appropriate representatives and propose a law. When and if it's passed I'll fully agree with it not being built at the proposed location. Example one you talk about law, taste and respect and example two you talk about only taste and respect. If you're going to make an argument at least make them agree with each other because you contradict yourself in your own argument.

How far away from ground zero is an acceptable distance for a mosque? 3 blocks obviously isn't far enough but how far is acceptable? 10 blocks? 30 blocks? Outside of Manhattan? Where?

Originally posted by Loutty
reply to post by ModernAcademia

 

The Oklahoma City bombing wasn't a declaration of war by the Islamic faith against the USA like 9/11 was.

hhahahahahahahahahaha

oh wait... youre serious?

hahahahahahahaha

i dont understand what the mosque has to do with 9/11 or ground zero.

anyone who has a problem with it has to first tackle the issue of 9/11 (actually they dont have to, i would expect most just believe the government theory) and i doubt many people want to have that debate.

reply to post by 54v!0r531f

Exactly! To have an issue in the first place one has to believe the official story of 9/11. It's the fundamental basis of the entire issue. Well, at least we know where people stand.

Originally posted by Loutty
reply to post by ModernAcademia

 

The Oklahoma City bombing wasn't a declaration of war by the Islamic faith against the USA like 9/11 was.

What? The entire Islamic faith was responsible for 9/11? Do you realize that is what you just suggested? It was the act of a few terrorists from Al-qaeda... They claimed to be doing it in the name of their religion...

There was no declaration of war by the whole of the Islamic faith... Just a few extremists...

So why don't we all quit trying to blame an entire people for the actions of a few? It seems logical to me...Surely you agree.

That said, you are right that the Oklahoma City bombing was not a declaration of war by the Islamic faith against the USA... However, as I have pointed out... 9/11 was not... 9/11 was an act of "jihad" by a few terrorists from Al qaeda, who claimed to be doing it in the name of their religion....

However if you will take the time to actually go talk with people if the Islamic faith, I think you will learn that Muslim people are just like you and I, and the Muslims in the US, were just as hurt by 9/11... Hell, Innocent Muslim people were killed on 9/11 too, you know.

One thing that I think is safe to consider in common between 9/11 and the Oklahoma City Bombing, is that Timothy Mcveigh, and those responsible for 9/11 all had a hatred for our government. Tim was angry at the way the Waco deal was handled.... those responsible for 9/11 were angry about the way their own country was being handled.

Now the difference is that Timothy did not claim to be doing it in the name of his religion, in an attempt to become a martyr. That said, I see exactly why Timothy got brought up...

It was a terrorist attack on US soil. I am not sure of Timothy's religion but it would make just as much sense to deny his faith the right to have a church, built near that building... In other words... Zero sense...

Did you know that after pearl harbor, the US actually put Japanese citizens in camps? That's right, we actually had internment camps. We locked up United States citizens who just happened to be of Japanese ancestry, because of the actions, of people they were in no way connected with.

They were ripped out of their homes, only allowed to bring what they could hold, and were treated horribly. This was done to innocent civilians... And it was horrible.

www.historyonthenet.com...

We were trying to hold the whole of the Japanese people, even if they were US citizens, accountable for the actions of the Japanese military....

Now, we are trying to hold the whole of the Islamic faith, accountable for the actions of a few... and it is equally wrong. If this is true and they decide not to build the community center, I think it is a real shame....

Christ, a HUGE part of the reason, the US even exists is because of religious oppression. We got fed up with religious meddling in government. We got fed up with people not being able to practice their own religion in peace...

That is the reason we have separation of church and state, and the first amendment... Both great things.

The day we have an issue with people being able to practice their religion peacefully, is the day we have a problem with the first amendment....

Something that disturbs me are the misconceptions that keep being tossed around about what is going on. First, it is an Islamic Community Center.... Second, it is NOT going to be on ground zero... It will be ground zero adjacent... Therefore, not on hallowed grounds... Unless you consider Burlington Coat Factory, hallowed ground... Because that is what the building used to be...

Now, does anybody else see the hypocrisy in putting up a gay bar next door? If you have a problem with a building being there, why respond by putting up a building that they will have a problem with? That is just so childish.... It equates to two school children on the playground... Both angry with each other, and taking turns pushing each other...

That is what this all boils down to. School yard fighting... It disgusts me... We are adults... It is high time we act like it... Or is that just asking to much?

The whole of the Islamic Community was NOT responsible for 9/11... Let's stop punishing them for the acts of a few..... Huh? What do you say? Just... think about it?

reply to post by Soloist


Since when did bin Laden speak for 1 billion people?

I suppose the irony of you doing exactly what you claim Islam is doing, is lost on you.

Someone forgot to tell these Muslims killed on 9/11 that they were not supposed to die.


artial List of Muslim 9/11 Victims:

Note: This list is as yet incomplete and unconfirmed. It has been compiled from the Islamic Circle of North America, the Newsday victims database, and reports from other major news organizations. The victims' ages, employers, or other personal information is included when available, along with links to further information or photos.

Samad Afridi
Ashraf Ahmad
Shabbir Ahmad (45 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and 3 children)
Umar Ahmad
Azam Ahsan
Ahmed Ali
Tariq Amanullah (40 years old; Fiduciary Trust Co.; ICNA website team member; leaves wife and 2 children)
Touri Bolourchi (69 years old; United Airlines #175; a retired nurse from Tehran)
Salauddin Ahmad Chaudhury
Abdul K. Chowdhury (30 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Mohammad S. Chowdhury (39 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and child born 2 days after the attack)
Jamal Legesse Desantis
Ramzi Attallah Douani (35 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
SaleemUllah Farooqi
Syed Fatha (54 years old; Pitney Bowes)
Osman Gani
Mohammad Hamdani (50 years old)
Salman Hamdani (NYPD Cadet)
Aisha Harris (21 years old; General Telecom)
Shakila Hoque (Marsh & McLennan)
Nabid Hossain
Shahzad Hussain
Talat Hussain
Mohammad Shah Jahan (Marsh & McLennan)
Yasmeen Jamal
Mohammed Jawarta (MAS security)
Arslan Khan Khakwani
Asim Khan
Ataullah Khan
Ayub Khan
Qasim Ali Khan
Sarah Khan (32 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Taimour Khan (29 years old; Karr Futures)
Yasmeen Khan
Zahida Khan
Badruddin Lakhani
Omar Malick
Nurul Hoque Miah (36 years old)
Mubarak Mohammad (23 years old)
Boyie Mohammed (Carr Futures)
Raza Mujtaba
Omar Namoos
Mujeb Qazi
Tarranum Rahim
Ehtesham U. Raja (28 years old)
Ameenia Rasool (33 years old)
Naveed Rehman
Yusuf Saad
Rahma Salie & unborn child (28 years old; American Airlines #11; wife of Michael Theodoridis; 7 months pregnant)
Shoman Samad
Asad Samir
Khalid Shahid (25 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald; engaged to be married in November)
Mohammed Shajahan (44 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
Naseema Simjee (Franklin Resources Inc.'s Fiduciary Trust)
Jamil Swaati
Sanober Syed
Robert Elias Talhami (40 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Michael Theodoridis (32 years old; American Airlines #11; husband of Rahma Salie)
W. Wahid

islam.about.com...

there was no evil muslim plot on the world trade center. its just the government and more of their propaganda and shenanigans fueling all this war and animosity.

I cant stand obama and his sucking up, but how do think we're going to feel when they completely pull our constitution out from underneath us.

the people need to focus more on scrutinizing our government and greedy corporations and forget about the muslims.

too much hidden details of 911 means only one thing? OUR GOVERNMENT DID IT. NOT THE MUSLIMS

next they'll blame it on the christians, then the aliens, and then,and then,and then,and then,etc,etc,etc

its always got to be someone elses fault