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Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero community center

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posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by Soloist

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
Edit "the vast majority of Muslims..." Really?


Yes really. Watch ISLAM: What the west needs to know to get a view from the former muslims, they tell it exactly how it is. How in front of Americans they acted sympathetic, yet once back in their little muslim enclaves they celebrated.


Right. Sounds awfully Protocols of the Elders of Zion-ish to me.




Who polled 1 billion people? How did they poll 1 billion people? That's incredible



Their silence on the matter was and is deafening. Their continued actions speak for themselves. While they may change tactics, the goal remains the same.


Your own ignorance of the many Muslims, Muslim organizations, Muslim states, clerics, leaders, and random individual Muslims who have spoken out against extremism is not the same thing as there being silence.

Further, a majority of the world's Muslims live in India, Bangladesh, and Indonesia, with the next-most populous area being Africa's Sahel states. Ever been to any of these countries? If not, I assure you, the people living there simply have way more pressing matters than assuaging your paranoia.


Do NOT allow yourself to be fooled. Open your eyes.


Rule of thumb for forums like ATS; when someone presses their argument with "Don't be sheep" or "wake up, people!" or "Open your eyes" then odds are their argument is totally invalid. If your position cannot stand on its own merits, forcing you to engage in argument from special revelation, then not only is your argument bad, but you the author come off as desperate.




posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 04:37 PM
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I see this lie about Muslims' silence on terrorism and I wonder if those repeating the lie have Google.

www.google.ca...:en-US
fficial&client=firefox-a


edit: Link looks weird, but it works.



[edit on 16-8-2010 by InvisibleAlbatross]



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 04:42 PM
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A quick look at the bios of the "documetary's" producers tells you all you need to know. Not even close to objective.



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211Muslims also need to be sensitive to the wishes of their American hosts.


This one really does it for me. Because, after all, there are no American Muslims... just Muslims that are being "hosted" by the United States. This will certainly come as a shock to Keith Ellison, who was born and raised in Detroit Michigan. I guess if we give it enough time the birthers will tell us that he's a plant as well.



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 04:57 PM
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If you can afford that real estate in downtown NYC, you can afford it somewhere else that doesn't cause such controversy. Problem solved. You have your mosque and you aren't bothering anyone.



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 04:58 PM
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Having a mosque where the World Trade Centers stood is like having a memorial to Timothy McVeigh near the grounds of what used to be the Murrah Federal Building.



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by hippomchippo
Ah, so the fact that they DIDNT poll 1 billion people means that they're obviously supporting the actions, I love the bias.


Wow, you totally didn't get it. And here I thought using small words and simple logic would help explain to you the situation.



My god, nobody has polled every single christian about killing abortionists and bombing clinics, they MUST be in favor of it since they aren't talking!


Wow, apples and oranges. Let's see how it stacks up, since 1977 :


In the U.S., violence directed toward abortion providers has killed at least eight people, , including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.


These people are NOT turned into heroes by the general population. Muslims always want to talk about a small fraction of them are terrorists, etc. Well there you have a small fraction.....but let's take a look on the other side shall we?


Vs.

8 Christian doctors killed in one day by Muslims.
July 2010 - 192 Jihad Attacks alone, with 1060 dead.
Deadly terror attacks since 9/11 - 15,833

One word - Darfur.

Where are the trials? Where is the outrage?

It doesn't exist, period.



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by texastig
Having a mosque where the World Trade Centers stood is like having a memorial to Timothy McVeigh near the grounds of what used to be the Murrah Federal Building.


Really?

Because it seems a memorial to Timothy McVeigh is a memorial to a specific individual, an individual who took direct part in a heinous act. On the other hand, a mosque is the worship place of about 1.5 billion human beings.

Are you insinuating that 1.5 billion people attacked NYC?



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 05:10 PM
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Actually it would be more like there being a chapel at the site.

Point of fact, there is a chapel at the OKC bombing memorial, which is built where the Murrah building used to stand.

There's also a Shinto temple within walking distance of Pearl Harbor.

Also there's a Muslim prayer room in the pentagon.

And of course, Mexico City - formerly Tenochtitlan - is absolutely replete with Catholic churches, despite the fact that it was in the name of Jesus Christ that the Mexica suffered Genocide.



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 05:13 PM
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UH, people, are we going to argue about something that hasn't been verified?

really?




posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by Soloist

Originally posted by hippomchippo
Ah, so the fact that they DIDNT poll 1 billion people means that they're obviously supporting the actions, I love the bias.


Wow, you totally didn't get it. And here I thought using small words and simple logic would help explain to you the situation.



My god, nobody has polled every single christian about killing abortionists and bombing clinics, they MUST be in favor of it since they aren't talking!


Wow, apples and oranges. Let's see how it stacks up, since 1977 :


In the U.S., violence directed toward abortion providers has killed at least eight people, , including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.


These people are NOT turned into heroes by the general population. Muslims always want to talk about a small fraction of them are terrorists, etc. Well there you have a small fraction.....but let's take a look on the other side shall we?


Vs.

8 Christian doctors killed in one day by Muslims.
July 2010 - 192 Jihad Attacks alone, with 1060 dead.
Deadly terror attacks since 9/11 - 15,833

One word - Darfur.

Where are the trials? Where is the outrage?

It doesn't exist, period.


MUSLIMS DON'T VIEW TERRORISTS AS HEROS.
That is the point I'm trying to get across, instead you try to play numbers.
Christians have been killing thousands for centuries, but guess what?
THEY DONT REPRESENT ALL CHRISTIANS.

See through your bigotry for a second and go visit a mosque, you'll be surprised to see there are no chants for the death of America.



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 05:18 PM
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People are constantly posting about the need for sensitivity to muslims, but it HAS to work both ways. Muslims also need to be sensitive to the wishes of their American hosts.



American hosts???? Are you serious?

You hear that American Muslims...you aren't real Americans...you are just guests allowed to stay here by the gracious American hosts.



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 05:19 PM
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Sorry, but what you posted is also not a declaration of war against the US. But if you are convinced it is so, this again explains some things to me.

Islam must be crushed? What of the people?

Who are you?



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 05:25 PM
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To those defending this outrage...
What is the basic tenant of Islam? I answer that for you! To convert all of the Earths population to the Muslim faith! Those who continue to defy this order by Allah will be put to the sword! If your trying to say that Muslims aren't trying to convert the world to their way of life your pissing in the wind and denying the one truth of Islam. Remember..lieing, cheating, stealing from or to the infidel is no sin under Islam!
You can keep denying this as fact but remember it is the guiding principle of Islam! Convert, Convert, Convert in any way possible!!!

Zindo

[edit on 8/16/2010 by ZindoDoone]



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by ZindoDoone
To those defending this outrage...
What is the basic tenant of Islam? I answer that for you! To convert all of the Earths population to the Muslim faith! Those who continue to defy this order by Allah will be put to the sword! If your trying to say that Muslims aren't trying to convert the world to their way of life your pissing in the wind and denying the one truth of Islam. Remember..lieing, cheating, stealing from or to the infidel is no sin under Islam!
You can keep denying this as fact but remember it is the guiding principle of Islam!

Zindo

What's the basic tenant of most religions? To convert all of the earths population.

To them it's usually called saving souls.
You can read alot of horrible things in the christian bible aswell, telling others to stone homosexuals, kill people who cheat on their marriage, etc.

It doesn't mean all christians follow it directly and literally.



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by hippomchippo
MUSLIMS DON'T VIEW TERRORISTS AS HEROS.


LIES!


Christians have been killing thousands for centuries, but guess what?
THEY DONT REPRESENT ALL CHRISTIANS.


Christians aren't angels either (pun intended), but I see nothing even approaching the level of the actions of muslims across the world. 15,000 terror attacks since 9/11, the Darfur tragedy ALONE speak volumes of how "peaceful" these death cultists are.



See through your bigotry for a second and go visit a mosque, you'll be surprised to see there are no chants for the death of America.


Really? Which mosques? In Iran? Yemen? Saudi Arabia? How about in Gaza? Some of those mosques perhaps?

Or maybe you mean the little "fronts" they have setup in the US to show how absolutely peaceful they are. Surely they woudln't want to rule the world or anything, that's not what the "religion of peace" is all about now is it?

Pffft.

Hopefully one day you apologist types won't have to deal with us saying we told you so. The quicker this Islam cult (and any who try to replace it) gets destroyed the better for all of humanity.



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 05:29 PM
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The Five Pillars (or tenets) of Islam say absolutely nothing about converting all the peoples of Earth or putting them to the sword.

www.oxfordislamicstudies.com...



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by Soloist

Originally posted by hippomchippo
MUSLIMS DON'T VIEW TERRORISTS AS HEROS.


LIES!


Christians have been killing thousands for centuries, but guess what?
THEY DONT REPRESENT ALL CHRISTIANS.


Christians aren't angels either (pun intended), but I see nothing even approaching the level of the actions of muslims across the world. 15,000 terror attacks since 9/11, the Darfur tragedy ALONE speak volumes of how "peaceful" these death cultists are.



See through your bigotry for a second and go visit a mosque, you'll be surprised to see there are no chants for the death of America.


Really? Which mosques? In Iran? Yemen? Saudi Arabia? How about in Gaza? Some of those mosques perhaps?

Or maybe you mean the little "fronts" they have setup in the US to show how absolutely peaceful they are. Surely they woudln't want to rule the world or anything, that's not what the "religion of peace" is all about now is it?

Pffft.

Hopefully one day you apologist types won't have to deal with us saying we told you so. The quicker this Islam cult (and any who try to replace it) gets destroyed the better for all of humanity.

Yeah, all U.S mosques are fronts for terrorist activities.
All U.S muslims are obviously then terrorists or support terrorist acts.
It's disgusting to see this kind of bigoted garbage on ATS.
I hope one day you'll realize how shallow and narrow minded you were and make friends with a few muslims.



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 05:35 PM
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Have you heard of any stoning s lately by Christians? Nope only Muslims seem to stone people for perceived wrongs. Christians haven't stoned folks since the New Testament! Muslims seem to do this often!

Zindo

[edit on 8/16/2010 by ZindoDoone]



posted on Aug, 16 2010 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by ZindoDoone
reply to post by hippomchippo
 


Have you heard of any stoning s lately by Christians? Nope only Muslims seem to stone people for perceived wrongs. Christians haven't stoned folks since the New Testament! Muslims seem to do this often!

Zindo

[edit on 8/16/2010 by ZindoDoone]

That's not by choice, there are still plenty of christian groups that would love to be stoning people. We can thank the U.S revolution for giving freedom of religion.
www.alternet.org...
Here's one.

[edit on 16-8-2010 by hippomchippo]



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