Being around for a long time doesn't really mean much of anything. If you remember ATS before the forums, well....you're kind of an oldbie. But, it
doesn't necessarily mean you're worthy of extra respect or have greater insight into the mysteries we spend hours poring over. I just love finding
good threads these days and taking them for a read.
I think it's funny to label myself as an "Elder", but if that's what you want to call me, then that's fine by me. I am not a super contributor, I
was far more active in the beginning just like all new memebers but now I pick and choose my battles and opinions.
Most threads I post in are of my own opinion and I try and leave one great post instead of fifteen one liners or misc. nonsense. I don't for one
second think that my opinion is any more valuable than anyone else's because we all begin in the same place, curiosity and embarassment.
We all want to question that which is shunned, made fun of, talked down about and generally written off without a second thought. However once you
pass that stage of curiosity and learn the ways of the forum and begin to decipher the various BS posts from the truly legitimate questions then you
will be considered wise.
Some members find their wisdom faster than others, and yet others still like myself choose to keep their thoughts focused, important and relevent to
the topic or topics to which they post. In my case I have bursts of active posting, and often times I can go months without replying to anything,
simply because the topic is not of sufficient interest to me or not worth wasting my time. (Obvious questions or self-answering threads)
Each member is technically equal in my opinion, it's just context that divides us.
I was actually looking into making a new avatar, one that is part of my celtic background, but also has some hidden secrets built in for the really
sharp eyed individual.
As far as the long term member thing, yeah, I've been around and done lots of research on the old threads when the big boys were still active
members, however things change and I just sit back and watch what's going on. Besides, don't you think they have enough moderators as it is?
Too many chiefs and not enough indians leads to a pretty bloody conversation.
My opinion is no more valid then that of members of have been around for less time . I do feel that myself and others who have been around longer then
I have can speak from the experiences they have had on the boards . I also don't mind helping out newer members if they need to without acting as a
vigilant moderator .
Well, yes, I know you, but I also know leadership qualities.
A threat to leadership, is when someone brings something to the table, that directly threatens the status-quo, and then it is simple to see how that
leadership will evaluate it based upon whether they accept it.
Or destroy, nullify, and avoid it.
Divide and Conquer, the Art of War, or Management, leadership is about knowing what is valuable, and what is a threat, and which action to take.
George Thorogood - Get a Haircut
The problem with that perceived threat, is sometimes it is exactly what is needed, not only to shake up the leadership, but to inspire others to rise
to a higher level of ability, and stop stagnating through immobility.
In all Government systems, Military, Law Enforcement, and Intelligence Agencies, it is called stovepiping, it is where information is lead to a
dead-end, due to bureaucracy through the status-quo, and ignorance rises like cream.
It is the symptom of a disease addled system that no one longer has value.
Very similar, in fact, to how Government, take your pick of which one, runs their countries, without listening to its citizens, and it leads to
A coup d'état through attrition is what happens, because people quite simply stop listening to the system that no longer listens to them, their
ideas are seen as simplistic, naive, and or not worth the time of leadership.
And this is when a system will not only destroy itself but everyone else within it.
This is exactly why America has lost its luster as a premiere country.
Everyone has given up, because apathy has set in, and Government no longer cares about the people, it has even given up the appearance of trying to
appear to care, which is a part of how this country will fall to her knees.
And never recover.
Journey- Don't Stop Believing Music Video
This is ultimately why I strongly encourage people to actually give a damn.
Both about ATS and our country, because both need the apathy to be broken through, and for people to give a damn, because without actually doing
something about the system, which is failing, nothing will ever be done to change things the way they are, into a real working system.
If you are not a part of the solution, you are not only a part of the problem, you are in fact the problem itself, through attrition of ignorance.
I keep telling people, voting is not the end of our responsibility, it is the beginning of it, and continuing with our responsibility is where
vigilance, and action through community involvement, comes into play for change.
Citizen Soldiers- 3 Doors Down
If enough people hear the call to duty, not necessarily to a Government agency, the Military, Law Enforcement, or even Intelligence Agencies, but to
get involved within their own separate communities, quite possibly, we as a society might actually stop the rampant corruption.
This however is up to each of us as citizens of our independent countries.
As well as each of our independent local communities, ATS is a community as well, a fringe element community, but a community nonetheless.
And until each of us commits to actually being involved in our community, or pulls our collective heads out of our posterior, nothing will ever
Kid Rock - Warrior (Lyrics)
Which is exactly why ATS needs members like you randyvs, and every other ATS'er on this thread, as well as those not on it yet.
Old members, new members, ATS Administration, Super-Moderators, Moderators, F.S.M.E.'s, and everyone else in between, even the trolls who annoy.
Let us as well not forget the fallen members of our community who have passed on.
9) I am a prime example of why there should be no Elder Council, and the idea doesn't make much sense.
Ya really have to love a post like this. Makes me wonder what goes on in minds like this. I mean the stuff they don't let us know about. Another
All seeing eye
This issue is about giving advice when asked for. I see nothing that states the youngens need to bow down to the elders. The majority of responses are
negative because they would be excluded from wisdom exercises, or something lol lol.
I'm so glad somebody caught on to that. Thank you Thgank you Thank you.
Intrepid was the only other one to even come close. Of course now this
prolly makes me a troll.
Heck, post in Chinese if you must!!!!!
Is she not a sweetheart? Do I even have to ask?
In case you wonder about my "qualifications" for Eldership, you need look no further than the first page of the Members list. I registered on these
forums a mere one day after Simon Gray...The Creator & First Founder of the ATS website. I'm listed right there at "lucky" number 13. I've seen
people that, to me, were new & gradually advancing up the "corporate ladder" of ATS: Yes, I remember when some of the Three Amigos first started
posting & I've been in discussions with people who later became Mods too (quite a few of those). I've even been offered "Mod-ship" twice but
turned it down both times.
All I can say is WoW Just WoW!
Man I bet you've seen a lotta chit!
I'll give myself a little credit though. I have been coming here since I was 14 and now I am 20. This is one of the few websites that makes me keep
See it's like I said though. You would be an elder with a more valued opinion to all of your posts. Your actual age would be an addition to the
diversity of the Counsel of High Elders. God this is so Medevil, I love the idea. Sorry I don't mean to gloat. It would be a blast though. Say like
an ongoing thread.
It would just be a riot.
I don't even care who starts it. I think it would be a blast. But it has to be
upstairs not down.
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