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Originally posted by curiousity
Originally posted by superbly super
Oh yes it did! Thanks for explaining! I admire people who can collect there thoughts like you did and put 'em down in a way where people can understand Pretty ineteresting...and I agree. The palm-readers and "witch" people are, in my opinion, bad. But, I dont think that ALL people with psychic abilities are bad. People who have it naturally...people who still pray to God. For instance, my mom(though im not saying she is a full-fledged psychic)has an incredible talent at "knowing" things....if you know what I mean. Yet, she is still a good person and everything. And as you/the author said about christians believing that all super-natural abilities can be bad is pretty true. My girlfriend is a super religious person, but she tells me of dreams that she has that the things she dreams later on come true...and her dreams have pretty good accuracy from what she says. I mentioned that maybe that could be some sort of 6th sense thing and she totally denied it. And it seems liek she gets mad when i mention that
So ill have to agree with the author and mainly you...especially on the part of our gifts being God-given
--Superbly Super--
We are on the same page concerning palm readers and witches, but I agree, there are many good people gifted with supernatural powers, many of them not even realizing it. My own mother was born with a "caul", that is a covering over her face which is supposedly a sign of psychic powers, and I can't begin to tell you why that fact came down to me, since none of my people were what you might call supernaturally inclined. The great majority of them were not Christian even, but my Mom did seem to have the ability to read people pretty well, though she was self-effacing enough that she didn't talk about it much.
My sister and I both have had visions and 'feelings' about things that turned out to be true. Before I was a Christian, I had a number of very spooky occurences happen to me or around me, among them visits from spirits who, though not visible to me, made their presence known, and so on. I was very frightened of the supernatural and when I became a Christian, thought I'd learned why, that is, because they are demonically inspired.
But the more I am not afraid of the supernatural, the more I see that the gifts spoken of in the Bible as given by God are very easily correlated to the ones heard about in the secular realm. That is why I think it is a shame that Christians for the most part are so against all manifestations of supernatural events. I think it prohibits the Spirit-given gifts from operating to the detriment of everyone.
Another reason for the prohibition against the supernatural is, I think,that if there were people around who could heal our illnesses by simply laying hands on us and praying, the medical business would be out of business in pretty short order, wouldn't it.
That may be another reason the other gifts are sort of poo-poo'd by many and that is that it puts some people in a special category, which of course upsets many. Especially those who don't have it.
Anyway, just some more thoughts. Thanks for your kind comments, but I enjoy your kind of posts as stream of consciousness just as much as the ones posters like me labor over for probably way too long.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
i dunno, i kinda dont blieve any one whos claiming this stuff here
i mean, if you guys really had these powers , you would use them for Good and prevent the evil doers from destroying our future, but alas, you just sit around and brag
plus i havent seen any evidence either, and supposedly this is "real stuff" so wheres the "real proof"
i dont mean to be a jerk, but come on, how do you guys know your not just wishful thinking and percieving coincidences as "magical powers"?
why dont you use "healing powers" to cure cancer?
why dont you use "psychic powers" to foil the next big terror attack?
exactly my point, plz answer these questions and DONT beat around the bush!
lets get to the point here, why yall holding out on humanity like this?
or are you the "bad guys" who only use ur powers for the good of yourselves ?
Originally posted by muzzleflash
i dunno, i kinda dont blieve any one whos claiming this stuff here
i mean, if you guys really had these powers , you would use them for Good and prevent the evil doers from destroying our future, but alas, you just sit around and brag
plus i havent seen any evidence either, and supposedly this is "real stuff" so wheres the "real proof"
i dont mean to be a jerk, but come on, how do you guys know your not just wishful thinking and percieving coincidences as "magical powers"?
why dont you use "psychic powers" to foil the next big terror attack?
exactly my point, plz answer these questions and DONT beat around the bush!
lets get to the point here, why yall holding out on humanity like this?
or are you the "bad guys" who only use ur powers for the good of yourselves ?
Originally posted by mind is the universe
Who in this world is out to help humanity, in reality without seeing anything in it for yourself... Think about that.
Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
Originally posted by mind is the universe
Who in this world is out to help humanity, in reality without seeing anything in it for yourself... Think about that.
Who could believe that there are people in this world who are out to put the needs of others above themselves, without being able to hold up for comparison all they truly know about the intents of others, which is thier own intentions.
In other words: People only claim they know the intentions of others through holding up for comparison in thier minds, all they know about themselves.
How could you honestly believe anyone would put anyone else before themselves, if you can not fathom you would ever do such a thing.
Our minds work in accordance with the "Law of Association". This discribes what processes go on within the mind as we learn new information. New information will only be fully comprehended consciously if the new information co-incides and fits in with pre-existing, pre-accepted truths.
We do not begin learning algebra, geometry, and trigonometry in kindergarden, fo we? Can we? First we learn to count. And, furthermore, would we fully comprehend what 5 means, without any knowledge of 1, 2, 3, or 4?
So what was the first truth?
What was the first thing you accepted as fact?
What truth lies at the beginning of your neuro-net / processor?
The first truth, the first fact from which all observations you made was:
Self Pre-Serve
Which means:
Self = Self
Pre = Before
Serve = Serve, aid, help ...
So every cell from the beginning of our experiences, our perceptions, our memories, and opinions started with "I AM SELF BEFORE I SERVE".
How much truth can a mind like this absorb??
We defrag our computers. But, how often do we defrag our first computer, our mind?
Fear obstructs the truth of our experiences, and limits the choices and opportunities we can see.
Fear is the mental devider, the mental barrier that de-inables our minds.
Fear is the opposite to Love.
[edit on 29-8-2006 by Esoteric Teacher]
Originally posted by muzzleflash
i dunno, i kinda dont blieve any one whos claiming this stuff here
i mean, if you guys really had these powers , you would use them for Good and prevent the evil doers from destroying our future, but alas, you just sit around and brag
plus i havent seen any evidence either, and supposedly this is "real stuff" so wheres the "real proof"
i dont mean to be a jerk, but come on, how do you guys know your not just wishful thinking and percieving coincidences as "magical powers"?
why dont you use "healing powers" to cure cancer?
why dont you use "psychic powers" to foil the next big terror attack?
exactly my point, plz answer these questions and DONT beat around the bush!
lets get to the point here, why yall holding out on humanity like this?
or are you the "bad guys" who only use ur powers for the good of yourselves ?
Originally posted by mind is the universe
I don't believe in the world religions anymore because a lot of them IMO is nothing for you.
Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
Originally posted by mind is the universe
I don't believe in the world religions anymore because a lot of them IMO is nothing for you.
World Religions do have a lot of truth to offer, and i believe do provide testimony of history as best as could be described by people who do not always understand it themselves.
Why do you think religions are wrong?
The is one underlining thing for me:
Intentions.
I interpret the messages of organized religions to be saying: If your intentions are motivated by the fear of the consequences then they are good.
Religions that promote fear do not promote truth.
Originally posted by curiousity
Originally posted by muzzleflash
i dunno, i kinda dont blieve any one whos claiming this stuff here
i mean, if you guys really had these powers , you would use them for Good and prevent the evil doers from destroying our future, but alas, you just sit around and brag
plus i havent seen any evidence either, and supposedly this is "real stuff" so wheres the "real proof"
i dont mean to be a jerk, but come on, how do you guys know your not just wishful thinking and percieving coincidences as "magical powers"?
why dont you use "healing powers" to cure cancer?
why dont you use "psychic powers" to foil the next big terror attack?
exactly my point, plz answer these questions and DONT beat around the bush!
lets get to the point here, why yall holding out on humanity like this?
or are you the "bad guys" who only use ur powers for the good of yourselves ?
Great points, muzzleflash, if we're so special why is it that there isn't more evidence? Very valid question.
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What I'm not saying is that the psychic gifts are bad and the Christian gifts are good. What I am saying is that since so many Christians consider all things to do with the supernatural 'gifts' are suspect since the claims by so many worldly practioners are fake, or only to get money, or highly suspicious in other ways.
To me this is like throwing out the baby with the proverbial bathwater, and is closing off the gifts the Spirit would like to have in operation in the world, like healing, like raising people from the dead, like casting out demons and the like.
Furthermore, the mind set of supernatural is "bad" shuts off more than just Christian practitioners since mockery is a potent weapon in the hands of the ignorant.
So again, I say, let the gifts out of the closet, lets bring them all out, Christian and nonChristian, witches, warlocks. vampires, magic arts practioners, bring them all out and lets put it all to the test. If you say you are clairvoyant, you should be able to demonstrate it. And not in a skeptical atmosphere either but an accepting one where everyone could do what they feel they can with their supernatural powers and lets see what happens.
Lets see what happens and lets let it happen and lets let the fall-out fall where it may.
And to the one who remarked that my posts are too "personal", and off the topic, I wish you'd point out where, how, when.
As far as I'm concerned its on.
Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
Originally posted by mind is the universe
I don't believe in the world religions anymore because a lot of them IMO is nothing for you.
World Religions do have a lot of truth to offer, and i believe do provide testimony of history as best as could be described by people who do not always understand it themselves.
Why do you think religions are wrong?
The is one underlining thing for me:
Intentions.
I interpret the messages of organized religions to be saying: If your intentions are motivated by the fear of the consequences then they are good.
Religions that promote fear do not promote truth.
Originally posted by mind is the universe
Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
Originally posted by mind is the universe
I don't believe in the world religions anymore because a lot of them IMO is nothing for you.
World Religions do have a lot of truth to offer, and i believe do provide testimony of history as best as could be described by people who do not always understand it themselves.
Why do you think religions are wrong?
The is one underlining thing for me:
Intentions.
I interpret the messages of organized religions to be saying: If your intentions are motivated by the fear of the consequences then they are good.
Religions that promote fear do not promote truth.
Yep Christiananity does exactly that IMO.. Curosity why do you have to bring christianinty into every second line... Leave it out. or shut up. No offence but your are here to stir things up so grow up.
No offence but ... grow up.
Originally posted by curiousity
Originally posted by mindistheuniverse
What I'm not saying is that the psychic gifts are bad and the Christian gifts are good. What I am saying is that since so many Christians consider all things to do with the supernatural 'gifts' are suspect since the claims by so many worldly practioners are fake, or only to get money, or highly suspicious in other ways.
To me this is like throwing out the baby with the proverbial bathwater, and is closing off the gifts the Spirit would like to have in operation in the world, like healing, like raising people from the dead, like casting out demons and the like.
Furthermore, the mind set of supernatural is "bad" shuts off more than just Christian practitioners since mockery is a potent weapon in the hands of the ignorant.
So again, I say, let the gifts out of the closet, lets bring them all out, Christian and nonChristian, witches, warlocks. vampires, magic arts practioners, bring them all out and lets put it all to the test. If you say you are clairvoyant, you should be able to demonstrate it. And not in a skeptical atmosphere either but an accepting one where everyone could do what they feel they can with their supernatural powers and lets see what happens.
Lets see what happens and lets let it happen and lets let the fall-out fall where it may.
And to the one who remarked that my posts are too "personal", and off the topic, I wish you'd point out where, how, when.
As far as I'm concerned its on.
Rambling on and on about non - sense....
Persona:l what YOU and christianinty percieve people with gifts, that's what, it's the greatest load of sweetea i've ever heard. You make it so personal because it make it sound like it touches every christian soul in a deep way!
... A load cotten wool... It's your words explaining the perceptions of a billion people. The rest is just your opinion.. Rambling on and on about christianity and what it has to do with the supernatural.. who cares... that's why. Can't be bothered to waste time in pointing out the exact words as your post are to deep and personal and taken from a religous prosprective. END.
Who said Demons are real anyway, pzzzzhh
get over it... Christianity has went down a long twisty dark tunnel in recent years, don't argue it and has done some not so good things, so it's hypercritical in boasting about it in this forum, thanks.
[edit on 30-8-2006 by mind is the universe]