Originally posted by blupblup
reply to post by Freeborn
Exactly, we are violent, we love a punch-up.... if we had guns, we'd have as many of these incidents as they do in the US, probably more.
See, HERE I believe ... Is where you are wrong in your reasoning. Humans fight , posture , do the monkey dance , and talk a lot of $*** to save
face... It's like a school yard fight , It proves who's the better man , It gets out aggression w/ little to no risk of death. You and your mate
will have a go , and then bystanders usually break it up before it gets ugly. If Human nature were as you described it , all of these "Punch Ups"
would end up in deaths and you'd have a rash of Broken Necks and crushed skulls throughout your country. The reason that this doesn't happen is
because the intent
isn't to kill
. If all of these people were armed I highly doubt , you'd have mini wars at the pub and football
stadiums , because of the risk of death involved , that and society usually has a way of policing itself.
My background with firearms is pretty extensive , I grew up as a Cop's kid , I learned firearms safety and marksmanship at an early age , As a teen I
Joined the United States Marine Corps , and after I got out in my early 20's I began a law enforcement career myself.
The reason I'm bringing up my background is twofold. I view firearms as Tools ... They aren't mythical death dealing entities , and the reason I
think most of the people in the UK view them as such is because that is the way it seems they are portrayed in your media , that combined with a lack
of firearms education and positive
firearms experiences. Most of you didn't grow up going to the range or hunting with your dad or uncle , so
you don't see firearms ownership as a positive
experience. Society has many of you programmed to believe only "Nutters" own firearms. Even
though many of your countrymen still own firearms for sporting purposes , are they all nutters too?
The second reason I brought up my background is it introduced me to violence and evil on a level I never knew existed. I've seen shootings and
stabbings , I've dealt with rape victims and seen that look in the victims eye , all while struggling to maintain my composure and not beat the
offender that did it within an inch of his life. The reason I'm relaying this to you is that evil and insanity doesn't need guns to manifest itself
on the population. You guys don't really have guns over there , but you have a knife problem like no other. People are getting stabbed left and right
, Should all of the cutlery in your kitchen be taken away?!? The guns are gone but the violence
is still there... the criminals just picked
another tool they have access to.
You can't compare your sane mind and thought pattern to a criminals. They are predators by nature , they prey on those which will offer up the least
resistance and will use Violence as a way to do it. It seems that In the UK you have a population of sheep(unarmed citizens) that are preyed upon by
wolves (armed criminals) and the sheepdogs (Cops) are helpless to stop them and only exist to clean up the aftermath.
Here we have firearms that are owned by law abiding citizens , Our criminals KNOW that these citizens may be armed , and usually will try to find a
victim that is not , which is usually one of the people that believe that guns are evil (until they are in a situation where they wished they had
My Wife was anti-gun , until the economy got bad and the home invasions started popping up. Now she has access to a safe full of tools and is trained
to use them. She has 2 cubs here to protect , I can go to work knowing that she has the skill set and tools to do it. She doesn't have to rely on the
Police to protect her. (because they can't)
Like it's been said before , we come from two different cultures , but at the end of the day , we're all human beings that deserve the rights to
life , liberty and the pursuit of happiness.... you also should have the right to defend yourself from those that would strip those rights from you.