Alleged NASA -Affiliated Astronomer Deciphers 'Intelligence' Signal From Nearby Stars

reply to post by eletheia


One line replies are frowned upon, much more so one WORD replies, but, in a word, "YES".

It's a dead horse that Cheesy is beating, yet the compulsion seems to still be there to beat it back to life! Never, in the history of the world, has anything ever been beaten back into life. Strangely, Cheesy thinks it's possible. No matter, really. It will just add yet another dimension to The Book, another indication of the compulsive hoaxing these folk engage in, and verification of that.

It make's one's efforts SO much easier when the opposition provides the necessary ammunition!

reply to post by A boy in a dress

I for one, wouldn't want it spread across the world that a space visitor requested that we
should take him to our 'larder'!!

Neither would I, especially if the signal was meant to play a game with us & actually meant, "Take me to your ludo!"
You know, scholarship... latin... ah, nevermind

wow... that's all i can say.. wow
this is one of the best threads that i've had the pleasure to spend my last 4 hours looking through... radio signals, transsexuals, ats=cia, disinfo, lawsuits... keep this one going

reply to post by nenothtu

The variable charge allowed by Selenium used on the toner drums of Xerox machines is what allows for varying shades of gray in copies, rather than a simple "black/white" image. Depending on how much light hits the drum from the original, the static charge induced there allows for more or less toner per unit area - depending on the strength of the static charge at that particular point.

Well, IDK how a Xerox machine works/ed, but what you're describing with selenium sounds like a transistor. The only way I can think that a light sensitive diode could be involved is if it could react to what would in effect be a high frequency strobe light source (ie not simply brightening & dimming in response to AC current) & this produced something like hysteresis that left more "on" than "off" as a result of more light hitting it. I just cant see that working too well in solid state components - you never get a perfect square wave, or lasting very long either.
I'd guess that the photovoltaic output regulates the amount of a high voltage, low current, charge that passes across the other 2 legs of the transistor.
I mention this for any Oneists that happen along, b/c I use some extremely complex signal processing kit regularly. I own a few rare examples that, since they are vintage, often require tinkering. If its a fault in something that most kit contains, like the resolution/creation of a balanced signal @the input/output stage, or a cooked pre-amp/amp stage, I'll usually be able to identify it myself. Doesn't mean I can always fix it b/c I dont even know how to use an EPROM reader, let alone translate whatever it says into finding a chip that will do the same job that a fried 1 did, but is no longer manufactured. I get an expert.
The rest I only understand in block diagram format. If I was an astronomer with a Phd. I'd certainly understand the basics of my equipment, especially the detector.

'Gorgonzola' you may THINK you can skew electronics, and UV and radio signals, telsa
technologyand anything else you like but FACTS are FACTS you can't change that. And you can't provide ANY FACTS on ANYTHING, not even your own qualifactions which amount to NIL.


Wayne where's your backbone ????? Where's YOUR qualifactions ????? All i can see is a puffed
up self marketed armchair archoeligist with a penchant for adulation, and an INABILITY to
discuss ANYTHING with anyone who has the qulifactions to debate your reasoned hypothesis with you



P.S. I forgor to mention your liking for talking to yourself on various Blogs how you present a subject then answer it as someone else.................lol.

Originally posted by eletheia


P.S. I forgor to mention your liking for talking to yourself on various Blogs how you present a subject then answer it as someone else.................lol.

But eletheia... did you forget that that is what we do here on ATS as dis-info agents working for the CIA. Right now you're in the next cubicle beside me and I'm writing to you.

P.S: How ironic is it that Judy/Wayne/James/gorgo/mm are the dis-info agents working for themselves

reply to post by Bunken Drum


Selenium is rarely used in electronic components any more, having been largely supplanted by silicon. To be honest, I'm not up to speed on how Light Sensitive Diodes work, or what goes into them, beyond the name "diode" implying either an entirely on or entirely off state. Back in the day, Selenium was used to produce a charge when light impinged on it, but the concept of a transistor that regulates the flow of current along two legs by means of a "fluttering" gate on the third leg is the general notion that I had in mind. Using a rectifier of sorts to smooth out that "signal" should produce different frequencies for pitch adjustment in combination with the "signal" strength allowed through, and the frequency the gate was operating at in any give instant.

Keep in mind, also, that your knowledge of electronics is considerably more up to speed than mine is, since mine comes from electronics education nearly 25 years old, so I may not be using the proper terminology these days. I used to design circuits from scratch, but nowadays my electronics endeavors are limited to building and repairing computers, which is largely just a matter of replacing entire components and cards. I've not kept pace with the field very well. My real point is that this sort of thing is hardly new or cutting edge "Tesla technology", as it could all be done 25 or 30 years ago, and really even before that. It's use in this sleight of hand is novel, but not unfathomable.

In block diagram format, radio telescopes work by collecting radio waves from a large area (the parabolic reflector that most folks think IS the antenna), and reflecting those waves to focus at a single point (the "focus" of the parabolic surface) where is located the actual antenna (a tiny thing - most I've worked with are only around a half-inch long for satellite reception). That signal is fed into a LNA or LNB and a downblock converter for processing in the amplifier stage, which is the fed to a recording device for later analysis. Tuning is achieved via the size of the mesh in the reflector dish, the dimensions of the actual antenna, and fine-tuned in a tuner stage. The initial signal strength is affected by the diameter of the collection area of the reflector dish (bigger buckets hold more water).

LIGHT, on the other hand, can be treated in much the same way, but with differences required by optical reflector telescopes. The parabolic mesh for radio is replaced by a parabolic mirror (solid surface), which also reflects all light collected to a focal point, but using optics to receive the light on, rather than antennae. That light is then collected either by an eyeball, a photographic plate, or nowadays by a CCD and recorded electronically, as is done by a digital camera.

From this, we can deduce that LIGHT (including UV) is handled entirely differently than RADIO, despite superficial resemblances in the initial collection stages, where parabolas figure into it in both cases. Even at that, the nature of the surfaces of those parabolas is vastly different - rough, open mesh vs. a smooth mirrored surface smoothed out to within microns.

Edit to clarify - back when I was working with radio dishes, it was the 1980's. We only had LNA's (low-noise amplifiers - a sort of pre-amp that filtered out the extra noise). LNB's and downblock converters had not yet come down the pike, so those portions of the narrative might be out of whack. The basics of the difference between radio reception and light reception are, however, NOT out of whack!

So, the new story is that she's got 'photocells' mounted on the receive horn?

Oh, Judy.

First, you were receiving them as radio "on every radio observatory around the world!", even if the source wasn't visible from that locale.

Then, you tried the old "Light is EM, just like radio, so of COURSE we could receive it on regular radio equipment!", which was, of course, a lie.

Then "Little do you know, but all EM gives off EM, so it's possible to receive UV on a radio telescope because UV emits radio!" which is a set of lies instead of a single one.

Now it's "we had secret Tesla photocells on every telescope's feed horn!", which is ridiculous. Dear, the reason that some rt's are mesh and none are mirror reflective is that you don't need your reflector to have a surface that's much smoother than a fraction of a wavelength of the wave you're interested in. This all goes to the "you can't receive radio on a pair of binoculars" thing - you HAVE to design to fit the wavelength of EM you want. That's why you can't use an AM radio for a telescope.

So, for an RT, the waves are relatively long. The surface need not be, and is not, optically smooth. Thus it is great for what it's designed for - radio waves - but is totally and absolutely inadequate for optical work. Most especially is it inadequate for short wave optical work, like your supposed UV. It doesn't work that way. Not yours. The reflector of an RT is not usable for UV work, even if you had some sort of photocell there, because it's not designed to be an optical surface, and isn't.

Next, hearken back to the first days of this fraud. Remember when, back in the first 20 pages or so of this thread, you were mooing and chortling about how the signal had this and that sorts of modulation, and all these sidebands "phasing in and out of subharmonics" and the like? Those things are far more applicable to radio work. But you could, if you designed the equipment for it, detect and receive optical modulation sidebands. It would not be possible to do this with photocells mounted on a feed horn. Can you come up with the correct lie to cover this gap? I suspect not - you'll have to jump past the buzzwords you can get from Contact or the Big Book O' Technical Words, and I am not sure the topic exists in a plainly thievable form on Google.

Finally, perhaps you can explain how your photocells mounted on the feedhorn receive a frequency of EM that is totally absorbed by the atmosphere? Waiting with 'bated breath -

Tom

ps: I'm still waiting for the "NSA cops" to come get me. As I won't likely be speeding around Ft Meade, I think I will be waiting a while.

I've read and re-read Neno's, Bunken's and Bedlam's explanations regarding the
doubts in capturing UV signals with radio telescopes and after deliberation...
my ears start to bleed.

I know this may be a little late in the game, but couldn't 'Judy-man' have used
a similar technology that the dumpy-looking alien used in 'E.T' to contact his ship?

Powered by the wind through the trees and a compilation of household equipment
would certainly be easier than using the ingredients mentioned in all of your posti...
damn it! bleeding again.

reply to post by eletheia


Yes Eletheia,

FACT IS FACT, I agree with you time is running out for Judy Falstkog, her past is catching up on her fast!

One fact you cannot change is JAMES VAN GREUNEN was married to JANICE FALCUS.

JAMES VAN GREUNEN fathered two daughters which he named himself in the Whickham Message Board knowwhere guide link.

JAMES VAN GREUNEN has CONNED and HOAXED for the past twenty five years.

JAMES VAN GREUNEN became JUDY FALTSKOG.

JAMES VAN GREUNEN is a Grandfather/grandmother.


FACT IS FACT, TRUTH IS TRUTH


















souter mislead lie misrepresent falsify beliefs delude hoodwink

reply to post by nenothtuTBH mate, I doubt my knowledge of electronics is much, if any greater than yours. I expect its just that it occasionally plays an annoyingly crucial role in my life, so I've got to keep what I do know in RAM, as it were (things break just when you really dont need it & too late to hire another or get an expert). The uses of basic components like diodes hasn't changed in 25yrs. For me, once it became clear that, what we used to call "Integrated Circuits", ICs or "chips" in modern parlance, were taking over everything, I gave up & rested on my laurels of understanding just a little more than "AND/NOT/OR". Unless I'd wanted to be a hardware designer, there didn't seem any point learning more: if a chip's fried, you cant fix it - you replace it. These days, its often cheaper to get the whole board from a local supplier than try to source just the chip.
Its different with vintage kit b/c you're trying to preserve the distinctive character of the output, but some people saw the writing on the wall & salvaged all sorts of seemingly useless crap from busted old electronics, so you can get some original components. Still, the old ICs are hard to find. I've got kit that has chips inside that are smaller than the original, with more legs that thus dont fit actually on the board, but squat above with bits of wire soldered to the needed legs bent to fit the old contacts, like some kind of sci-fi arachnoid malevolently crowing over the burn mark of its erstwhile comrade!
I suppose my main point is still that, if we, who by our own admission are no experts, can undertand what basic electronic components can & cant do, then what are we to make of someone who claims a Phd but evidently doesn't know how the basic components of his/her equipment work? Especially the supposed detector! I'll tell ya, I'm no Phd, but I could take this thread to 200pgs on microphone design alone (my detector) & have barely started!

Originally posted by A boy in a dress
I've read and re-read Neno's, Bunken's and Bedlam's explanations regarding the
doubts in capturing UV signals with radio telescopes and after deliberation...
my ears start to bleed.

I know this may be a little late in the game, but couldn't 'Judy-man' have used
a similar technology that the dumpy-looking alien used in 'E.T' to contact his ship?

Powered by the wind through the trees and a compilation of household equipment
would certainly be easier than using the ingredients mentioned in all of your posti...
damn it! bleeding again.

Oh s/he most certainly could...
Its just that the signal recieved would have travelled back in time, after being sent during a freak warp factor 10 accident, modulated to phase in & about a sub-space carrier harmonic, that through the use of an FM radio, with a rubber medical aid as an aerial (oh you know what I mean Judy - the body just doesn't like holes it was never meant to have) sans speaker, a piece of wet string & a tin can, would produce a scottish accent saying,
"Yer cannae break the laws of physics, Cap'n! Or shoulda hae said Colonel?"

Originally posted by A boy in a dress
Source: ireport.cnn.com...

This sort of reasoning infuriates me... Orion666 chips in:

... I would, however like to make a brief statement about the attackers,
which I feel is extremely relevant for this thread. It is plainly obvious that
these people that are posting absolute babble about you are doing it
to discredit you, instead of intelligently discuss.

This is false.
There were more than a few posters willing to engage in an intelligent debate with Mr Herschel regarding his papyrus/sphinx/water tables/Judy Faltskog signal hoax.

One poster even offered an alternate papyrus interpretation for discussion and tried to get his references checked via his statements of:
"No scholar has solved this papyrus." "that there are at least five other versions of what it means" "an Egyptologist that can verify all the Egyptian sources and traditional interpretations" and "all references are available"

When questioned on this (repeatedly) all he could do was dodge and weave an offer up a weak "All the essential detail is in the two video's".

And when trying to engage in an intelligent debate regarding individual elements of the papyrus all she got in response were garbled re-interpretations with no proof, referrals to his oneism and hidden records websites and slightly vague insults on her interpretation until, it seems, she got the poops and gave up the debate with Mr Herschel in disgust and frustration.

Intelligent discussion with this individual on whatever platform seems to be an exasperating experience.

Originally posted by eletheia
As many of us think Gorgonzola is Judy, does the fact that she states on club conspiracy "So the Kalahari incident was true after all" mean she is linking herself with that incident and therefor admitting her CONNECTION to James van Greunen ??????????
Sounds like that to me !!

Absolutely true.
One would think The Cheese would run a mile from any mention of van Greunen.
I'm really starting to get confused at the prolonging of this saga. Anyone with me on this?

reply to post by Bunken Drum


Maybe Wayne could assist, after all he could write down what would make
a great receiver. Possibly the tin can you mentioned... a handful of feathers,
or as we like to say -an interstellar craft with three legs... a NSA badge and
some dental floss might be enough.

It may not work in reality, but heh ...? as long you believe it, then that seems okay.

reply to post by Netties Hermit

Hi Netts, I actually think Judy/James/Gorgo -wants to get trapped.
I believe somewhere in the labyrinth of his mind -this whole
event is crushing his self-belief system and with the make-believe
world that James has wrapped himself in, that won't do.

James's wild ranting and self-preening regarding his so-called power to
lure men to his will -reinforces the cracking walls that holds that belief
system and the fragility of those walls (the strange way of 'shout-typing'!)
shows that in James's heart, he wants them to crumble... he wants them to fall.

That feeling of being cleansed and your true self calls from within those
walls and though the cries are muffled, James knows that's his true voice.

The physical change is nothing compared to the mental change he has
forced on himself.
I believe his 'Judy' side saves him from the embarrassment of his actions
and his quieter 'James' persona shivers and sobs somewhere deep inside.

Come out, come out wherever you are.

reply to post by A boy in a dress

Possibly the tin can you mentioned... a handful of feathers,
or as we like to say -an interstellar craft with three legs... a NSA badge and
some dental floss might be enough.

IDK if you're a parent, but imo, being 1 means that there are some unpleasantries we just have to get on with & wash up later. Once, I was changing my daughter's nappy/diaper when, to my horror, I discovered a thin strand extruding from her anus. Now, parent or not, anything that comes out of someones bum needs to be hygienically disposed of, right? But, if you're a parent, anything curious like that needs investigating. I gently pulled out almost a foot of it, causing some wriggling, washed it then got a magnifying glass: it was dental floss.
I've no idea how she came to eat it, but I've also no idea how she ate a tiny silver bell that was part of a mobile I made for her out of broken jewellery (it hung well above my head height & I was tallest).
I've known a few new fathers make things for the mother &/or kid. I honestly think its partly an attempt to compete with breastfeeding. I know a bloke whose wife is a big woman. They had twins & she didn't want to be any further away from them than was possible, but they were scared she might squash them in her sleep, if they shared the bed. This bloke, from scratch, built a carved wooden bed with 2 tiny cots up behind their heads: slightly crude in carpentry, but beautiful all the same. Pointless. The kids outgrew the cots in no time. Still, it was a symbolic gesture & he remade it. They still sleep in it. My daughter still has her mobile - its trashed, but she's had a few bits off it repaired & wears them sometimes.
We all need to make symbolic gestures sometimes & its the intent, not the result that matters. As long as we're sincere, people will acknowledge us. If we're just selfishly looking for adulation, they wont. If we get petulant, they will mock.

Gorgonzola Link:

I won't get bogged down with Gorgonzola's rant at 'SkepticGuy'... Skeptic holds his own
in a mature nature and Gorgonzola should take his advice and debate it here.

... Your Disinformation agents are so obsessed with Ms Faltskog that it is very
obvious that they must be glued to their computers just so they can feel close to the dame.....
since seven months now.
That must stand for devotion, admiration, obsession, subordination, otherwise it would be
termed stalking. You must all be really weird, kinky lonely old basturds with not much
going in that department anymore for you lot to prowl on a lady for so long.

Close to the dame...? James still insists we discuss the sexual side of his existence and
not the hoax he invented. The odd part to me -although it smacks to me that he's not a
'happy bunny' having this 'judy' baggage -is this is shown by the wording 'dame' and not 'Dame'

James/Gorgonzola continues with implying that ATS members here -are doggedly tracking
James's actions on the internet because they admire his physical form... again, the insercurity
of his exterior perceptions.

... Oh, and please tell your agents on ATS that they are not proving how clued up
they are on electronics, rather how little really they know about the subject...

As 'SkepticGuy' advised, get yourself on ATS and prove 'em wrong -James... the ball is in
your court.

... Hi Mr Blue Angel, can you please please please delete my profile and / or this thread?
Get trigger happy if need be and Bann me! Hell, do I have to beg for this!!???

This relates to me that James's impatient 'other side' sees that he's losing out and wishes to
'go stealth' and not talk anymore. Like any petulant child, he wants it all to go away.
Instead of showing his hand and debating the UV signal hoax and explaining why he invented
the yarn, he puts his tongue out at any oppostion and hurls childish insults.
As below.

.. This is no fair fight if one is outnumbered by ATS Agents at 100 to 1
I have had enough and I dont want to put up with their childish games and Bullsh*t anymore!

Unlike them, I have a life out there! Before I disappear, one last message to ATS and the
Disinformation Agents and then they can all kiss my ass!

I asterisked the crude word, but as you can see, James put himself on that site and then
didn't like the responses... phrases like 'not fair' and 'I have had enough' are familiar to all
who interact with James in regards of his hoaxing.

Originally posted by Netties Hermit
One would think The Cheese would run a mile from any mention of van Greunen.
I'm really starting to get confused at the prolonging of this saga. Anyone with me on this?

It was starting to confuse me as well, until I realized that notoriety is notoriety... any press is GOOD press, that sort of thing. I believe she's just trying to keep the name current and in view. Little does she realize that he's about to become a household word - and not in a GOOD way - but then we fall back on "any press is GOOD press"!

As they used to say up in them thar hills "you can call me anything you like, just don't call me late for supper"!

Originally posted by A boy in a dress
reply to post by Bunken Drum

 

Maybe Wayne could assist, after all he could write down what would make
a great receiver. Possibly the tin can you mentioned... a handful of feathers,
or as we like to say -an interstellar craft with three legs... a NSA badge and
some dental floss might be enough.

It may not work in reality, but heh ...? as long you believe it, then that seems okay.

Well, I think Bedlam used a Pringles potato chip can in his wardriving rig to snag wi-fi internet access when he's on the road, and I can make an AK-47 full auto with a bread bag tie, so surely Judy can improvise... I mean, she's got a PhD, right? Ought to know the subject inside and out well enough to make it work with paper clip and soggy rubber bands!