15,000 protest to RAISE taxes and to "Chop from the Top"

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by skunknuts

 

But, but, but surely the ultra-rich kleptocrats earned their vast riches (that will surely drip, drip, drip trickle down to us peons) with lots of honest, hard work

Yep, trickle down economics worked. The proof is here!!!!!

Thanks for sharing the vids btw....you'd think with the VAST AMOUNT of conspirators here...this would have been posted immediately about the media not reporting it!

Instead let's listen to Glen Beck and agree with him on why we need to make drastic cuts in social programs and give tax cuts to the rich and corporations.

Sounds good to me!!!!

And don't forget, the church is telling lies to you if they dare say Jesus cared about social justice, caring for the least among us, and the abomination of greed! I'm pretty sure his actual main message concerned the paramount importance of the 'free' market.

Must've been those damn socialist, nazi, maoist, communists that f'd up the translation.

Best,
Skunknuts

[edit on 4/22/2010 by skunknuts]

Originally posted by skunknuts

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by skunknuts

 

But, but, but surely the ultra-rich kleptocrats earned their vast riches (that will surely drip, drip, drip trickle down to us peons) with lots of honest, hard work

Yep, trickle down economics worked. The proof is here!!!!!

Thanks for sharing the vids btw....you'd think with the VAST AMOUNT of conspirators here...this would have been posted immediately about the media not reporting it!

Instead let's listen to Glen Beck and agree with him on why we need to make drastic cuts in social programs and give tax cuts to the rich and corporations.

Sounds good to me!!!!

And don't forget, the church is telling lies to you if they dare say Jesus cared about social justice, caring for the least among us, and the abomination of greed! I'm pretty sure his actual main message concerned the paramount importance of the 'free' market.

Must've been those damn socialist, nazi, maoist, communists that f'd up the translation.

Best,
Skunknuts

[edit on 4/22/2010 by skunknuts]

Dude if you got in a wreck and were uninsured Jesus would have pulled out his 9 and put four in your face!

The system that currently exists is the system you are all fighting to save. A corporatist state, that is what you advocate for without even realizing it.

It is, as someone once said, the battle cry of a mob of looters.

Well, we'll all get to see it pan out, and watch this system crumble to dust.

Originally posted by aravoth
The system that currently exists is the system you are all fighting to save. A corporatist state, that is what you advocate for without even realizing it.

It is, as someone once said, the battle cry of a mob of looters.

Well, we'll all get to see it pan out, and watch this system crumble to dust.

I HATE corporatism, and agree that is the current state and cause of our societal cancer. Unfortunately, capitalism (unchecked by proper regulation) is what ultimately leads to corporatism. Pure ideologies are always religious, free market, socialism, or otherwise.

Best,
Skunknuts

[edit on 4/22/2010 by skunknuts]

Originally posted by skunknuts


I HATE corporatism, and agree that is the current state and cause of our societal cancer. Unfortunately, capitalism (unchecked by proper regulation) is what leads to corporatism.

Best,
Skunknuts

Not even close.

Corporations are created by government mandate, there is nothing capitalistic about that.

You love corporations, thats why you support a government that steals your money and hands it over to whatever corporation gave them the most in campaign donations.

[edit on 22-4-2010 by aravoth]

[edit on 22-4-2010 by aravoth]

reply to post by David9176


What is sad is how many people really don't care to work, get a skilled trade, or get an education worth a crap.

I can spend 20 plus years in the military, retire, get a job that requires a skill a little better than that of a high schooler and I'm top 5%...geez


There are millions who do little their whole lives to improve themselves so that they are more marketable, so just what do those millions do for their country? Not much since they do not create new jobs while they soak up Government support, but hey they do spend and have credit.

[edit on 22-4-2010 by Xtrozero]

Originally posted by aravoth

Originally posted by skunknuts


I HATE corporatism, and agree that is the current state and cause of our societal cancer. Unfortunately, capitalism (unchecked by proper regulation) is what leads to corporatism.

Best,
Skunknuts

Not even close.

You love corporations, thats why you support a government that steals your money and hands it over to whatever corporation gave them the most in campaign donations.

You are wrong.

And, how dare you call me a corporatist (after having been called a nazi, maoist, socialist, communist, stalinist by the newly 'awakened' Beckians)

Strong government for, by, and of the people is our greatest weapon and tool. Corporations have hijacked OUR government.

We need publically-funded elections, abolition of the electoral college, and a change in senate procedure for a good start....

Best,
Skunknuts

P.S. The constitution does not even touch on 'corporate rights.'


[edit on 4/22/2010 by skunknuts]

Originally posted by aravoth
The system that currently exists is the system you are all fighting to save. A corporatist state, that is what you advocate for without even realizing it.

It is, as someone once said, the battle cry of a mob of looters.

Well, we'll all get to see it pan out, and watch this system crumble to dust.

See I think you are advocating for the same

you are the follow who thinks capital should trump democracy

Why do you defend the mega producers and then claim to be against their dominance
in society?



[edit on 22-4-2010 by Janky Red]

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by aravoth
The system that currently exists is the system you are all fighting to save. A corporatist state, that is what you advocate for without even realizing it.

It is, as someone once said, the battle cry of a mob of looters.

Well, we'll all get to see it pan out, and watch this system crumble to dust.

See I think you are advocating for the same

you are the follow who thinks capital should trump democracy

Why do you defend the mega producers and then claim to be against their dominance
in society?

That's exactly what I was wondering....

Best,
Skunknuts

Originally posted by Xtrozero
reply to post by David9176

 

What is sad is how many people really don't care to work, get a skilled trade, or get an education worth a crap.

I can spend 20 plus years in the military, retire, get a job that requires a skill a little better than that of a high schooler and I'm top 5%...geez


[edit on 22-4-2010 by Xtrozero]

sure, or you can by some junk from China, sell it for 1,500% cost and make a difference!

Are you saying that teachers do not work???

Well I know I see potholes fixing themselves all the time, so maybe you're right...

Originally posted by skunknuts

You are wrong.

Strong government for, by, and of the people is our greatest weapon and tool. Corporations have hijacked OUR government. We need publically-funded elections, abolition of the electoral college, and a change in senate procedure for a good start....

Best,
Skunknuts

In the long history of the world, there has never been a central government so vast and strong. Corporations did not hijack the Government, the government created them. They are subject to a regulatory body, one that does, and will always benefit them over you.

You have everything you want. Do not shriek in horror at the sight of Governments finest creation, it is after all, what you and every other generation of looter before you asked for.

A strong central government, nurturing it's people from cradle to grave. Imposing that "freedom" to all the "unfortunate" areas of the world. Ipods and Blackberries, 30 different kinds of cereal. All yours for the taking. So long as you pay the State, then they will continue to borrow money, using your children as collateral, so that they too can live this wondrous lifestyle.

And when the time comes that the State can no longer afford to borrow money to pay it's bills, it will turn on it's people, and force them to pay for all the mistakes of generations past.

Originally posted by Janky Red


See I think you are advocating for the same

you are the follow who thinks capital should trump democracy

Why do you defend the mega producers and then claim to be against their dominance
in society?



[edit on 22-4-2010 by Janky Red]

I don't defend them. I am pointing out the fact that with zero government involvement they can't exist.

How can anyone tell me that I love Corporations when I've spent the last (I don't know how many months) criticizing them and wanting their influence out of government....especially foreign and transnational corporations?

LOL...what the hell?

Once again...we need to enforce anti-trust laws and increase tariffs on imports so we can have FAIR trade and protect our economy....and effectively weaken the power the financial industry and wall street have on our country.

reply to post by aravoth


You need to learn your chickens and eggs. Previously, corporate charters were VOTED on, by the community, every 20 years. Government for, by, and of the people is what we should have, not this corporatist takeover leading ever-closer to fascism. Hitler killed the socialists, no?

Best,
Skunknuts

Originally posted by drew hempel
reply to post by David9176

 

Excellent expose! Of course this is not worthy of the MSM as it's about the middle class and the working class.

By the way I just squelched the whole "47% don't pay taxes" right-wing fascist mantra creeping up on ATS:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I read your post and your thread and then reread them and well I must say they seem to me to have a few holes in them. For example you leave out the percentage of people not working, receiving unemployment or other forms of government subsidy that pay no payroll tax,
Speaking Income taxes only, likewise you fail to account for several classes. Many people are retired and living off savings and social security generating low yearly incomes and paying no income or payroll taxes.
Those that work and receive federal subsidies which when declared may cause a small tax burden. The value of the subsidies received far exceed the taxes paid,
47 percent do not pay income taxes, additionally 68 percent of that 47 percent receive more in rebates than they pay in, thus decreasing their overall tax burden.

In response to Medicare and Social Security taxes, the tax burden on the poor due to their low income levels is far outstripped by the benefits received from those programs.

Originally posted by aravoth

Originally posted by Janky Red


See I think you are advocating for the same

you are the follow who thinks capital should trump democracy

Why do you defend the mega producers and then claim to be against their dominance
in society?



[edit on 22-4-2010 by Janky Red]

I don't defend them. I am pointing out the fact that with zero government involvement they can't exist.

I see no consistent ideology on your part.

You sound like a communist one minute (saying that corporatism is THE evil), and a corporatist the next (saying free-market capitalism w/o regulation is the holy grail).

Best,
Skunknuts

[edit on 4/22/2010 by skunknuts]

Originally posted by David9176
How can anyone tell me that I love Corporations when I've spent the last (I don't know how many months) criticizing them and wanting their influence out of government....especially foreign and transnational corporations?

LOL...what the hell?

Once again...we need to enforce anti-trust laws and increase tariffs on imports so we can have FAIR trade and protect our economy....and effectively weaken the power the financial industry and wall street have on our country.

Because what you advocate wouldn't fix the problem, it would create a government monopoly over the sectors of the market you would like to see regulated.

Originally posted by aravoth

Originally posted by skunknuts

You are wrong.

Strong government for, by, and of the people is our greatest weapon and tool. Corporations have hijacked OUR government. We need publically-funded elections, abolition of the electoral college, and a change in senate procedure for a good start....

Best,
Skunknuts

Corporations did not hijack the Government, the government created them.

Sure and it appears at some point this has changed now doesn't it?

But I still fail to see how you want to give the corporations the dictate in this hybrid monster of a system?

Doesn't your theory change COMPLETELY with any shred of governance?

Like I said I fail to see how ANY free market theory can produce anything resembling the desired results in this modern world.

Do we all need lawyers in order to protect our "rights"?

Originally posted by aravoth
The system that currently exists is the system you are all fighting to save. A corporatist state, that is what you advocate for without even realizing it.

It is, as someone once said, the battle cry of a mob of looters.

Well, we'll all get to see it pan out, and watch this system crumble to dust.

Sadly the teaparty members are protesting against themselves and fighting to save the existing system that you speak of in a way. While the obama healthcare package may have been subpar, the chance to provide all Americans with affordable healthcare through taxation doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. In fact, this is what the rest of the first world and beyond is accustomed to, and while problems do exist, they are far better than the alternative. Not being able to access healthcare at all. Or accessing healthcare, but losing their home in the process.

I don't know about anyone else, but if a family member was diagnosed with cancer, and on top of that had to deal with the possibility of losing their home as well because they couldn't afford the high cost of treatment, I'd be a little miffed to say the least.

I don't blame these people for protesting. They are watching their jobs get shipped overseas, they are watching their neighbors lose their homes after they are foreclosed upon, they are watching as their state government lays off law enforcement agents, and watching as their schools are permanently shut down.

Meanwhile, those at the top of the pyramid structure continue to rake in the dough, they continue to screw the average American over in the name of greed, and they continue to influence the policy of the US government. How could they not be angry? I find it hard to believe that there isn't more than fifteen thousand Americans protesting in the streets right now.

The middle class as well as the poor, continue to receive the short end of the stick over and over and over again, and it is really quite sad to see.

It is more sad to see the American protesters who are out their attempting to retain the status quo. They are literally protesting against positive change.

Change that could ensure the average American is given precedence over the corporate precendence that currently exists within the confines of Washington DC and beyond. These people are being played by the likes of the FOX News Corporation and sadly they cannot even see it. Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and Bill O' Reilly do not give a rats behind about the average American. They are slime helping to push the corporate agenda, and the "positives of the staus quo" that is currently destroying the middle class of America and widening the gap between the rich and the poor. Never a good outcome. Never a good outcome at all.

Originally posted by skunknuts


I see no consistent ideology on your part. You sound like a communist one minute, and a corporatist the next.

Best,
Skunknuts

Thats because the only way you can see a society functioning is through central planning. So for you, Ideologies are broken down into simple packages.

If one show vitriol for a corporation and call for the abolishing off all corporations throughout the land. In your head, you tag me as a communist.

But when I say that the way to abolish those corporations and the influence they have is to abolish the government. You think I'm in bed with big business.

It's confusing for you, because don't see the correlation between the two. You think the Government is good, and corporations are bad. But you don't seem to understand that Corporations are creations of the government, and literally can't exist without the government. And more often than not, Governments do most of their dirty work through those corporations.