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Topic started on 22-4-2010 @ 07:44 PM by David9176

Thousands protest education cuts in Springfield

SPRINGFIELD — A rally of 15,000 people from throughout the state roared in anger and frustration outside the state Capitol on Wednesday, protesting budget cuts affecting education and social services. There were teachers, home care and social service agency workers, the elderly and the disabled, all in programs hurt by budget cuts created by a $13 billion shortfall in the state budget. People in wheelchairs and walkers joined marchers walking the streets around the Capitol in what was called one of the largest protests in Springfield in years. Deafening chants rang from the crowd:

"Save our state; save our schools"; "Show some guts, stop the cuts"; "Chop from the top."

Geppert said budget cuts are causing "massive damage" throughout Illinois. He urged support of an income tax increase to fill a shortfall projected to result in the elimination of 20,000 positions. Maria Whelan, president of Illinois Action for Children, told those assembled, "Do not allow the Legislature to balance the budget on the backs of schoolchildren and the elderly." At her urging, the crowd turned to face the Capitol and shouted "Raise my taxes."

www.pjstar.com...

YouTube Link

Has this been reported ANYWHERE in the Corporate media? I have no idea if it has or not...but I don't see anyone here talking about it.

Public sectors, including our education system, is getting absolutely creamed and no one seems to give a damn. No one wants to pay for it.

More of this is coming. You cannot continue to rip apart the middle class forever.

Amazing...the quotes...

"Save our state; save our schools"; "Show some guts, stop the cuts"; "Chop from the top."

"Do not allow the Legislature to balance the budget on the backs of schoolchildren and the elderly."

It's about time people bring out the fight within themselves.

If you haven't...check out this thread as well....
How equal are we? Redistribution of wealth to the rich

Here is another article...covered by NBC in Chicago:

Protests Shut Down Capitol

In what could shape up to be the biggest rally in Illinois Statehouse history, upwards of 15,000 teachers and other state employees are marching around the state capitol, blocking the entrance to the house chambers and chanting in front of lawmakers offices to protest statewide spending cuts. The marchers -- a combination of teachers, school district workers, social workers, retirees, union workers and the like -- are incensed about Gov. Pat Quinn's proposed budget cuts, which would dramatically cut education spending. The only alternative, Quinn says, is to raise taxes, those at the rally say, so be it. "This is about the future of the state of Illinois," said Meg Wear, a second grade teacher Evergreen Park Elementary who traveled to Springfield for the rally. Fired-up speakers from unions representing state workers and teachers and advocates from social service organizations urged the crowd to turn to the Statehouse. They shouted slogans such as "Show some guts!"

There is also a video at the link

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reply posted on 22-4-2010 @ 07:49 PM by drew hempel

reply to post by David9176

Excellent expose! Of course this is not worthy of the MSM as it's about the middle class and the working class.

By the way I just squelched the whole "47% don't pay taxes" right-wing fascist mantra creeping up on ATS:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply posted on 22-4-2010 @ 07:55 PM by Janky Red

reply to post by David9176

Wow

I haven't heard of this...

Its like a tea party of sorts

What do you think OP?

reply posted on 22-4-2010 @ 07:55 PM by aravoth

Look at all those racist tax protesters. That is some serious hate speech there.

Oh and by the way. A bloated government budget gap is not the taxpayers fault. It's the State's. Now, I understand how some of you just love to help the State get as large as it possibly can, I also understand that a good many of you think that if the State fails, the middle class will follow. But it just isn't so.

The State did not create the middle class. Prosperity did. The State did not create prosperity, the Free Market did. All the State can do, is siphon off money from the masses via taxation. Because the State does not produce anything. It just sets a budget, over-shoots it, then steals more money from it's population to enrich it'self, and it does all of this while it drops 2000 pound bombs on Afghani weddings.

Oh yes, lets give these craptastic turd-stars more money, they manage it so well.

[edit on 22-4-2010 by aravoth]

reply posted on 22-4-2010 @ 08:02 PM by Janky Red

Originally posted by aravoth
Look at all those racist tax protesters. That is some serious hate speech there.

Oh and by the way. A bloated government budget gap is not the taxpayers fault. It's the State's. Now, I understand how some of you just love to help the State get as large as it possibly can, I also understand that a good many of you think that if the State fails, the middle class will follow. But it just isn't so.

The State did not create the middle class. Prosperity did. The State did not create prosperity, the Free Market did. All the State can do, is siphon off money from the masses via taxation. Because the State does not produce anything. It just sets a budget, over-shoots it, then steals more money from it's population to enrich it'self, and it does all of this while it drops 2000 pound bombs on Afghani weddings.

Oh yes, lets give these craptastic turd-stars more money, they manage it so well.

[edit on 22-4-2010 by aravoth]

YAY!

And the free marketeers of the world have done such a good job being the default stewards of the economy!

Oh and these Pillars have created great stuff too boot! Binary money is edible

BTW we are talking about bombs are we?

reply posted on 22-4-2010 @ 08:03 PM by David9176

reply to post by Janky Red

Wow I haven't heard of this... Its like a tea party of sorts What do you think OP?

This is only the beginning IMO. I have no idea what to make of it though. It's a complete change to anything I've seen.

The numbers are really mind boggling. People are fighting for their future.

I am very curious to the replies this thread is going to get.....

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reply posted on 22-4-2010 @ 08:06 PM by Carseller4

Union thugs demanding MORE of our money?

Who would have thought that?

reply posted on 22-4-2010 @ 08:09 PM by aravoth

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by aravoth
Look at all those racist tax protesters. That is some serious hate speech there.

Oh and by the way. A bloated government budget gap is not the taxpayers fault. It's the State's. Now, I understand how some of you just love to help the State get as large as it possibly can, I also understand that a good many of you think that if the State fails, the middle class will follow. But it just isn't so.

The State did not create the middle class. Prosperity did. The State did not create prosperity, the Free Market did. All the State can do, is siphon off money from the masses via taxation. Because the State does not produce anything. It just sets a budget, over-shoots it, then steals more money from it's population to enrich it'self, and it does all of this while it drops 2000 pound bombs on Afghani weddings.

Oh yes, lets give these craptastic turd-stars more money, they manage it so well.

[edit on 22-4-2010 by aravoth]

YAY!

And the free marketeers of the world have done such a good job being the default stewards of the economy!

Oh and these Pillars have created great stuff too boot! Binary money is edible

BTW we are talking about bombs are we?

Hilarious to me that you would try to pin the failings of market intervention on the free market.

Central banking regulatory authority... and you think the free market did this? Simpleton.

Thank god for Government, bailing out their corporate banker buddies, what would we do without them.

reply posted on 22-4-2010 @ 08:10 PM by Janky Red

Originally posted by Carseller4

Union thugs demanding MORE of our money?

Who would have thought that?

TOO bad those pesky unions didn't roll up their fleet of three million dollar, grass roots
tour buses.

reply posted on 22-4-2010 @ 08:13 PM by prionace glauca

Look at those union members & company in their colorful shirts. I wonder if they were getting paid for being on the job and protesting, has to be in their union contract somewhere.

reply posted on 22-4-2010 @ 08:14 PM by aravoth

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by Carseller4

Union thugs demanding MORE of our money?

Who would have thought that?

TOO bad those pesky unions didn't roll up their fleet of three million dollar, grass roots
tour buses.

Government sponsored unions couldn't afford it, they already blew the money on 1400 dollar pizza cutters and 30,000 dollar toilet seats.

reply posted on 22-4-2010 @ 08:16 PM by Janky Red

Originally posted by aravoth

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by aravoth
Look at all those racist tax protesters. That is some serious hate speech there.

Oh and by the way. A bloated government budget gap is not the taxpayers fault. It's the State's. Now, I understand how some of you just love to help the State get as large as it possibly can, I also understand that a good many of you think that if the State fails, the middle class will follow. But it just isn't so.

The State did not create the middle class. Prosperity did. The State did not create prosperity, the Free Market did. All the State can do, is siphon off money from the masses via taxation. Because the State does not produce anything. It just sets a budget, over-shoots it, then steals more money from it's population to enrich it'self, and it does all of this while it drops 2000 pound bombs on Afghani weddings.

Oh yes, lets give these craptastic turd-stars more money, they manage it so well.

[edit on 22-4-2010 by aravoth]

YAY!

And the free marketeers of the world have done such a good job being the default stewards of the economy!

Oh and these Pillars have created great stuff too boot! Binary money is edible

BTW we are talking about bombs are we?

Hilarious to me that you would try to pin the failings of market intervention on the free market.

Central banking regulatory authority... and you think the free market did this? Simpleton.

Thank god for Government, bailing out their corporate banker buddies, what would we do without them.

But the way to stop corporate thievery is to leave the policing up to the market, because I have the time or resources to investigate my money manager, meet his dog and examine his soul !

No actually you SAID and I quote: "The State did not create prosperity, the Free Market did."

AH

then you said: and I quote again: "Hilarious to me that you would try to pin the failings of market intervention on the free market. "

So it is free when it is positive is it?

I am fired up lets do this -

Make Ayn proud!

reply posted on 22-4-2010 @ 08:23 PM by Janky Red

Originally posted by prionace glauca
Look at those union members & company in their colorful shirts. I wonder if they were getting paid for being on the job and protesting, has to be in their union contract somewhere.

I know that pesky union needs to cough up 100 G's and get Sarah up in there!

But I still say they are holding back on their fleet of Viagra, Tampax buses.

They should be protesting their union, selling off their buses to that grass roots
group of people who actually work for a living, shame on them unions!

reply posted on 22-4-2010 @ 08:26 PM by aravoth

reply to post by Janky Red

No it's only free when it is absent regulatory authority. The boom is the reason for the bust, the boom was created by government mandate (manipulating the currency). Thus Government created the bust, because the rate at some point will have to change in order to salvage what is left of the currency. Remember, the FED regulates the banking industry, and the SEC allowed the manipulation to happen with NO disclosure.

You complain about the interference that big corporations have within the market. Yet you are not angry at the Government for creating those Corporations. Corporations are, quite literally, creations of the State, as they cannot exist with state sponsorship.

Knowing these things it is puzzling to me why a person would purport to support the government to save the middle class, yet not realize that the government created the vehicles that steamrolled the middle class over.

Market intervention = Government manipulation

Free Market = absence of Government manipulation

The Free Market does not intervene on itself.

In short : Stabilization IS Chaos.

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reply posted on 22-4-2010 @ 08:27 PM by David9176

reply to post by aravoth

Hilarious to me that you would try to pin the failings of market intervention on the free market.

FREE MARKETS DON'T EXIST. THEY CAN'T EXIST.

And you're right pal. F the education system. F our youth. Let's just have CEO's and shareholders teaching in our classrooms.

Let's make it like NASCAR. To HELL with education. SAVE THE BILLIONAIRES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reply posted on 22-4-2010 @ 08:29 PM by drew hempel

reply to post by aravoth

That's the MILITARY -- not unions!

www.wnd.com...

The military procurement horror tales of the early 1980s -- immortalized by the $435 claw hammer, the $640 toilet seat and $7,600 coffee makers -- have returned, say investigators,

The Pentagon is paying 618 percent more for its spare parts than it should, according to the inspector general's report, titled "Commercial Spare Parts Purchased on a Corporate Contract." It cited a $24.72 spare part that the government bought from Boeing for $403.39 -- a markup of 1,532 percent. Another contractor charged $76 for 57-cent screws.

reply posted on 22-4-2010 @ 08:29 PM by aravoth

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by aravoth

Hilarious to me that you would try to pin the failings of market intervention on the free market.

FREE MARKETS DON'T EXIST. THEY CAN'T EXIST.

Let's make it like NASCAR. To HELL with education. SAVE THE BILLIONAIRES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The first sentence is so wrong I don't even know where to begin. Stop Reading Keynes.

Save the billionaires was the mantra of the government for the last 40 years. I guess you didn't catch the sarcasm.

reply posted on 22-4-2010 @ 08:30 PM by David9176

reply to post by aravoth

In short : Stabilization IS Chaos.

You have got to be kidding me. Reagan busted up the Sherman anti-trust act and busted up the unions and every President since has been deregulating our entire system.

Markets are more free today than they were 30 years ago....and you blame this chaos on regulation?

What frickin planet are you living on?

reply posted on 22-4-2010 @ 08:32 PM by skunknuts

This is just the start. We aren't going to take losing millions of teachers, police, infrastructure, and other workers. This IS society. The government is OURS, or at least it should be. The backlash to the teaparty movement will be huge. Hell, even most of the tea partiers admit they love their social security, medicare, govt. services etc....

Once we all stop fighting w/ each other, that's when some stuff will go down. There's a third way. There's PLENTY of money to have a top-notch society w/ good schools, health care, infrastructure, etc. Once the kleptocracy is chopped off from the top, we will all be freer, and happier.

Look at china. Why are they kicking our butts? They ARE closer to what all the loonie righties screech about when they speak of communism, yet they are totally kicking us in the rear. They have HUGE domestic government spending and still own us. China is like the US was 100 years ago--big projects, big ideas, and investing in themselves. Yeah, we might seem a bit more 'free' at the moment, but that's not going last much longer (and I ain't talking about Obama paranoia).

Best,
Skunknuts

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reply posted on 22-4-2010 @ 08:32 PM by aravoth

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the one where the prime rate was near zero for the last 12 years

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