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15,000 protest to RAISE taxes and to "Chop from the Top"

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posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 03:00 AM
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To get back on topic, I am surprised not many more turned up in Illinois as well as other states.

Isn't it obvious enough the fat cats had been milking off the common workers for long time? Isn't it time to share some of the wealth?

Regardless of whatever doctrine the political denizens and doyans would like to call it - liberal capitalism, enlightened socialism or straight communism, people are going hungry, not calling out for luxuries and yet what are the solutions by the leaders?

The common people had offered one solution - tax rise. The rich is left with a distaste in the mouth. Things is, these are not normal times. There is hoarded wealth avaliable. The ball is in the court of the rich to help out.

The federal govt too plays a part. Rational spending. Cut back on international corrupted aid. Pack the illegals home and cease any funding for them. Curtail military training for a while as it would save on operational costs. Claw back the budgeted funds. Sell off empty buidlings on state land on limited time leases. These are but some of the things it can do.

If not, when hell breaks loose, no human wins.




posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 03:19 AM
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So, this crowd was chanting:

raise my taxes
?

OK, it is about damn time somebody other than myself woke up to the outstanding fiscal policy I've been pushing for the last 2 years. I think their taxes should be raised, as they seem to be OK with it there should be no argument whatsoever. As I have said numerous times, the nation needs to ultimately end anonymous voting. Everyone who votes should have their vote carefully recorded and legered and, come tax time, any tax increases sponsored by, resulting from decisions made by, or agreed upon by those they voted on should land solely on the heads of the voters responsible for putting the bastards in office. Everyone else gets to pay a simple flat tax set according to a baseline of actual government services and infrastructure costs.

As far as all the gum flapping over how the free market failed, bullcrap! The free market didn't fail the people, the government failed the free market. The abortion that occured in this country over the past 2 years was NOT an example of the free market. In a true free market those "too big to fail" banks would have gotten double middle fingers and been allowed to fall into dust. In a true free market, unemployment coverages would have concrete time limits rather than permitting this bullcrap of people refusing any paying job, regardless of how close to minimum wage it is, for month after month. In a true free market society the GD government would have stayed the hell out of the home buying market and, as a result, prices would have stayed a lot lower (how the banks kept from drowning in their own drool puddles when the feds eased up loan requirements while simultaneously and massively expanding the amount of government backed special buyer loans via Fannie and Freddie is beyond me).

Now we're supposed to give this same piles of excrement masquerading as responsible "representatives" more money? Nah-ah! It's not happening.



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 03:34 AM
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Originally posted by burdman30ott6
So, this crowd was chanting:

raise my taxes
?

OK, it is about damn time somebody other than myself woke up to the outstanding fiscal policy I've been pushing for the last 2 years. I think their taxes should be raised, as they seem to be OK with it there should be no argument whatsoever. As I have said numerous times, the nation needs to ultimately end anonymous voting. Everyone who votes should have their vote carefully recorded and legered and, come tax time, any tax increases sponsored by, resulting from decisions made by, or agreed upon by those they voted on should land solely on the heads of the voters responsible for putting the bastards in office. Everyone else gets to pay a simple flat tax set according to a baseline of actual government services and infrastructure costs.

As far as all the gum flapping over how the free market failed, bullcrap! The free market didn't fail the people, the government failed the free market. The abortion that occured in this country over the past 2 years was NOT an example of the free market. In a true free market those "too big to fail" banks would have gotten double middle fingers and been allowed to fall into dust. In a true free market, unemployment coverages would have concrete time limits rather than permitting this bullcrap of people refusing any paying job, regardless of how close to minimum wage it is, for month after month. In a true free market society the GD government would have stayed the hell out of the home buying market and, as a result, prices would have stayed a lot lower (how the banks kept from drowning in their own drool puddles when the feds eased up loan requirements while simultaneously and massively expanding the amount of government backed special buyer loans via Fannie and Freddie is beyond me).

Now we're supposed to give this same piles of excrement masquerading as responsible "representatives" more money? Nah-ah! It's not happening.


Exactly. The same people griping about the free market, are the same people griping about no-bid contracts. They decry the banks and then say that the bailouts had to happen.

Tired of the lunacy.

Good Post.



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 03:52 AM
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Originally posted by burdman30ott6
So, this crowd was chanting:

raise my taxes
?

I think their taxes should be raised, as they seem to be OK with it there should be no argument whatsoever. As I have said numerous times, the nation needs to ultimately end anonymous voting. Everyone who votes should have their vote carefully recorded and legered and, come tax time, any tax increases sponsored by, resulting from decisions made by, or agreed upon by those they voted on should land solely on the heads of the voters responsible for putting the bastards in office. Everyone else gets to pay a simple flat tax set according to a baseline of actual government services and infrastructure costs.



If voters who vote for raising tax will be offered higher rate for taxation, rest assured the rich ain't gonna put their name down!

It is only morally right that those who earn more should contribute more. They had proven themselves capable thus they should be shining role models of success that others may follow suit, and in that cycle, social spending from taxes will uplift everyone else.

It is easy to generalize that people who do not reach the top, seen as the yardstick of success, are simply bums and lazy. But the fact is that the top is limited, NOT everyone can reach there. Worse, if everyone sits on the top, then who will form the base on the bottom to support the top?

No, each and everyone to their capability and desire. While i agree that no financial help should be given to the minority bums that exists in each and every society, there should be research and developement techniques to help this misguided few to maximise their gift of life.

And for everyone else who works hard, from the dishwasher to the CEO, there must be a distribution of wealth, not one where everyone gets the same dollars but at least not one where the top guys gets 31,000% of the lower earning guy.

Productivity, creativity, and intelligence are only side issues but both put in the same human hours. The rich guy is not superman and the poor guy is no retard.

I share you concern too about what the money is being spent on, but it is necessary for a common national goal of aspirations. May all be wise in the November voting season.



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 05:11 AM
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I see the SOP of class envy being pushed is alive and well here at ATS.

I am just wondering, who's protocol is pushing class envy?

Any ideas anyone?

Bueller.........Bueller.........Bueller..........?



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
I see the SOP of class envy being pushed is alive and well here at ATS.

I am just wondering, who's protocol is pushing class envy?

Any ideas anyone?

Bueller.........Bueller.........Bueller..........?


Class envy?


I know, I know Mr Bueller!!!

www.youtube.com...

But lets just play pretend



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 10:53 AM
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Wow, that had to be the worst vid ever. Jeez, there has to be a 1.5-2 sec vid to aud discrepancy.

No, I was thinking more of this-

start listening at approximately the 2 minute mark. Gets into the class envy angle. Hmmmm. Seems to me a lot of us pretty much KNOW every angle being played. I wonder why that is?



[edit on 4/23/2010 by endisnighe]



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by aravoth
IF I can control your access to "things" and stipulate my terms to your access, I can control and dictate to you can I not? Please explain how you can circumvent my power if I control your access? Lets say I own you mainline water pipes today, the local sources of water and I want to charge you 10 times yesterdays rates, what are you gonna do?

Tell me?


So I want you to address this, I use this example because this concept of water privatization is already being used to leverage the locals...


www.globalissues.org...

IF you don't like this example I have plenty more, but you will find I can reasonably
juxtapose the same concept, especially in the absence of "management". Because this
is always where my mind goes, I know the nature of business and I have been in third world nations to see how easy it is to implement when access is king.



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 11:18 AM
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Hrmmm, lets go down the line here and take a look at some of the regulations that have been put in place, for all the people that want regulations.

NAFTA - Mass exodus of Manufacturing. Has allowed the top .01% to get even richer.

Community Reinvestment Act - Made banks give loans to people they wouldn't normally give loans too. Banks knew they couldn't keep it up so they created CDO's and CDS's to sell off the toxic loan to make huge profits, then get government bailouts.

Pension Plans - States and Governments are legally obligated to pay pension plans no matter what happens, via Supreme Court Ruling.

HMO Act - Created HMO's and PPO's which caused the cost of insurance to sky rocket.

And the list can go on and on about the regulations. The point is all the people pushing for regulation is we already have regulation Lots of regulation, no president in the past few decades have done any de-regulation, they have regulated more.

The problem is people buy into the MSM propaganda about "deregulation" when they chose one regulation that was changed and pass it off as deregulation.

The fact is the government being able to dip into our paychecks gives them the ability to overspend, because it doesn't matter what the government allows corps to do and crash the economy, they can always just take money from the working people by raising income taxes.

What really makes me realize that this country is doomed, is these people protesting want them to raise taxes. They don't propose other solutions or another for of taxation, no they want their taxes raised.

That's why my kids will never go to public school, because the "teachers" are freaking idiots, and believe, like lots of people here apparently, that the system we currently have is "fair" it just needs to be "run right".

Well welcome to reality you want massive regulation and big government and all kinds of social safety nets? Well you have them now, but because they don't fit your utopian world view you want MORE regulation and even BIGGER government. I just don't understand it.

The fact is the government has created just about all the economic problems we have now. Don't believe me, spend a few days, even better a few months, researching all the government regulation and it's history in America, and also look at the resulting economic impacts and what happened. If after that your mind hasn't changed then there is no hope for you.



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by Janky Red
 


Wow, that had to be the worst vid ever. Jeez, there has to be a 1.5-2 sec vid to aud discrepancy.

No, I was thinking more of this-

start listening at approximately the 2 minute mark. Gets into the class envy angle. Hmmmm. Seems to me a lot of us pretty much KNOW every angle being played. I wonder why that is?

[edit on 4/23/2010 by endisnighe]


Ya sorry bout that

Because you guys have one Television station who coordinates its daily theme?

Because the two headed portion of your ideology is extremely socialistic in its rhetorical apparatus?

I wonder why so many believe their ideology cannot invite tyranny in any form
under any circumstance? It must be nice to be perfect and so sure of anything you
think, probably never have to light a match in the crapper.



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 01:29 PM
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Proud union member here.

We work for the working and middle classes.

Fat cats hate us. They actually have to pay us a living wage. Imagine that.



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 01:42 PM
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"It is only morally right that those who earn more should contribute more."

i have a major problem with that for far too long the minority is taxed to pay for the majority that is unconstitutional.


there is not one person on this site or in the world that doesnt want to be rich
getting rich isnt easy if it were everyone would be
staying rich is even harder.

i dont get being rich is a crime these days



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 02:08 PM
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lol, "proud union member".. whatever. Thanks for inflating the cost of living with your "decent wage".

I realize that I got into this discussion last night without actually looking at a different source for the article that the argument was based on.

Apparently SEIU and other large unions bused in supporters from around the state too engage in this protest. How's that for "astroturf"

The actual budget gap isn't enough to shut down the schools for any reasonable amount of time. Although it will shutdown down the schools if the teachers union insist on the 4% per year raise they want.

This article and the discussion behind it was a load of BS to begin with. I'm sorry I wasted my time with it.

www.youtube.com...

There is a video of the rally. And a teacher begging for more money. For a raise. Can you believe that she has influence over the mid of a child? Don't ever ask why kids all want a handout.

This has nothing to do with kids at all, or their education. It has to do with public unions holding the tax payers hostage using children as leverage, so they can keep draining the tax payer to get a bigger raise.

You now anyone that gets a 4% per year raise and public retirement equal to that of their original salary? Didn't think so...

Poor Teachers.... whatever would they do without that 4%.

This thread is a bad joke. If you think that taxing the middle class more to pay for a public employee pay raise is "helping the middle class" there is something wrong with your brain. It's that simple.

Well it's been fun..



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by maddogron
In AZ, we are getting ready to vote for a One cent sales tax on may 18th, to temporarily raise the sales tax to offset the huge budget deficit. Police, teachers, fire fighters, etc. are being axed if this vote does not go thru.... I hope it fails and we can all let the games begin personally...

"If Prop. 100 is voted down, however, 15 to 20 percent of teacher positions may be eliminated, according to the Arizona Education Network."

"If Proposition 100 passes, the Willcox School District is looking at a $391,339 decrease from its current budget. This is what the state will cut, even if the proposition passes. If the sales tax does not pass, we add $571,593 to those cuts, which is $962,932 - nearly $1 million," said Jim Foley, the district's business manager. "That's 13 percent of our budget - it would be extremely devastating. I hate taxes, but I'll vote for this"


Man, just think how well our states would be if we had a small fed government and paid lets say 5% flat tax to them, but paid 15% flat tax to the state....life would be good for all....


That's what an efficient system would look like.

But instead we give them 25% with 20% of that going to the 'black arts' and alphabet agency's to create and fund illegal spying,wars,counter insurgents, and outright terrorism in general hoping to achieve a globalist elitest Utopia.

Yes an equitable distribution of taxes would fix the current paradigm overbore, just as a handout of a trillion to the people instead of banks would have instantly fixed the economy. These are simple logical solutions that would help reduce the centralization of power thus bringing some alleviation to the immense pressure of the unrealistic top down pyramid trickle down horsecrap.



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 04:31 PM
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There is a whole list of things that should be cut before social services and education. But they do that so that they can then force their hand and increase taxes.. Education should be the LAST thing to ever be cut.. I'd sooner see cities stop mowing grass, cut transit lines, fire bureaucrats before teachers!



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 04:33 PM
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A Tyrants dream come true....The slaves demanding more slavery. WTF ?




posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 04:53 PM
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Considering 47% of households dont pay income tax in America I wonder how many of them actually pay taxes?

HEY! Take for of THEIR money to pay for MY things!!!

Nothing but a bunch of losers.



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 04:56 PM
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No one doesn't pay taxes.. some don't pay Federal Income.. but we all pay Medicair, SS, Medicaid, etc. If you own a home, you pay property. If you live in a state with sales tax, you have that. Then there is state income. Then there is the vast amount of fees, then taxes on goods like gas, cigs, beer, so on and so on.



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 04:57 PM
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The free market is slavery!

Pirates, pillaging, raping, plunder = the free market!

Currently cocoa for chocolate is from child slavery.

The Amazon is rife with slavery.

Sweatshops ARE the "free market" -- just read Noam Chomsky "World Orders: Old and New" (Columbia University Press, 1994).

Please get an education before it's too late!

naturalresonancerevolution.blogspot.com...

Myth of the Free Market

[edit on 23-4-2010 by drew hempel]



posted on Apr, 23 2010 @ 05:02 PM
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www.abovetopsecret.com...

How many times will the 47% recent right-wing LIE need to be corrected?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.nytimes.com...



Even if the discussion is restricted to federal taxes (for which the statistics are better), a vast majority of households end up paying federal taxes. Congressional Budget Office data suggests that, at most, about 10 percent of all households pay no net federal taxes. The number 10 is obviously a lot smaller than 47. The reason is that poor families generally pay more in payroll taxes than they receive through benefits like the Earned Income Tax Credit. It’s not just poor families for whom the payroll tax is a big deal, either. About three-quarters of all American households pay more in payroll taxes, which go toward Medicare and Social Security, than in income taxes.


[edit on 23-4-2010 by drew hempel]




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