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Kenyan official: Obama born in KENYA

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posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 03:01 AM
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I have to wonder why this keeps coming back. I seriously doubt it's because 'birthers' keep paying to have these articles published. Logically, what would all these Kenyans have to gain from continuously saying that he was born there? National pride? Ok. Anything else? I'm kinda drawing a blank. There may be some kind of tourist monies to be made, but I can't imagine it being so much that these peoples would repeatedly lie to get it. It seems like the Kenyan peoples, as well as members of their government, think that he was born there. Now I am aware of how misinformation can quickly spread until it is widely believed to be the truth. Yet, again, what would be the point of spreading such info amongst the Kenyans themselves?

Chrono




posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 03:02 AM
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one more thing and I'm out:

my gf's birth certificate from NJ in 1989 is the fakest looking POS I have ever seen in my life but it's real.

Just sayin'



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 03:18 AM
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Originally posted by spinalremain




For somebody whos nearly 50, that is a clean, fresh, new looking birth certificate!

It should look more like this:
bartblog.bartcop.com...

[edit on 12-4-2010 by GW8UK]



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 03:19 AM
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Good post! and I see all the Obama of Kenyan Birth truth denier idiots came out in mass (hey they immediately label anyone who cites the evidence as birthers so I can label them too) and started repeating their tired ridiculous mantras of denial. They want the thread to devolve into arguing rather then deal with the mountain of facts and evidence that Obama is Kenyan born.

What many are missing though is that Obama is not President of the United States of America he is CEO of the US Corporation which is posing as lawful government. That is why they don't care if he is Kenyan born they appointed him president just like any corporation and that is that. But most still think they voted him in...

Hopefully the Armed forces and the people are waking up and realizing he is not thier commander and Chief and what he says and does really has no force on the men and women of the land.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 03:31 AM
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Originally posted by OpTiMuS_PrImE
Well straight from a Government Official in Kenya "OBAMA was born in Kenya

Still no proof of American Citizenship, almost $2,000,000 spent locking his records secret.


www.wnd.com...

A Kenyan lawmaker told the nation's Parliament last month that Barack Obama was born in Africa and is therefore "not even a native American."

During debate over the draft of a new Kenyan constitution, James Orengo, the country's minister of lands and a member of parliament for the Ugenya constituency, cited America's election of a Kenyan-born president as an example of what can be accomplished when diverse peoples unite:

"If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation," Orengo posited, "how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the president of America?"

Orengo held up the U.S. as a country no longer "living in the past," since Americans elected a Kenyan-born president without regard to "ethnic consideration and objectives."

A new strategy has been unveiled to demand answers to Obama's eligibility questions. See how you can help.

Debate is then recorded in the Kenyan government's official March 25, 2010, hansard – a traditional name for printed transcripts of a parliamentary debate – as continuing with no other MPs mentioning or attempting to correct Orengo's comments about Obama.




en.wikipedia.org...

James Orengo, (James Jimmy-Jimmy Owadgi Adhiambo Orengo) was among the Young Turks who brought about the what can be considered as the second liberation, when he, Michael Wamalwa Kijana, Kiraitu Murungi, Paul Muite and a bunch of old guards like Jaramogi Oginga Odinga, Masinde Muliro and Martin Shikuku formed the formidable Forum for the Restoration of Democracy, a vehicle that nearly (thanks on KANU's side, to the disunity amongst FORD Luminaries) pushed KANU out of power.

As of 2007 he is still the SDP chairman. The party supported Raila Odinga of Orange Democratic Movement at the 2007 general elections.[1]

When Barack Hussein Obama Sr. returned to Kenya in 1965, his brother-in-law (Pres. Obama's Uncle), Jaramogi Ajuma Oginga ODINGA, was the Vice President of the country (1964-1966). OBAMA Sr. went to work for an oil company, then landed a position as an economist in the Kenyan Ministry of Transport, and eventually became the Chief Economist for the Kenyan Ministry of Finance.
en.wikipedia.org...-Overstate-16

OBAMA Sr. is also the uncle of radical Kenyan Marxist, Raila Amollo ODINGA (“Your Agent for Change”). Raila Amollo ODINGA’s father, Oginga ODINGA led the Communist opposition during the Cold War and was supported by the Soviet Union. Raila Amollo ODINGA (b. 1945) was educated in Communist East Germany (Magdeburg University, 1970). Raila Amolla ODINGA (Orange Democratic Party) is Barack Hussein OBAMA II’s first cousin and he is the current Prime Minister of Kenya. In 1982, Raila Amolla ODINGA was implicated in a failed coup against the then president Daniel Arap Moi. Raila Amolla ODINGA’s eldest son is named after Fidel Castro and his daughter is named for Winnie Mandela. The Prime Ministership is a position created for Raila Amollo ODINGA in a coalition government that he demanded when he refused to concede the Dec. 27, 2007 Kenyan Presidential election to the incumbent, Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki. On Dec. 30, 2007, the chairman of the Kenyan election commission declared Raila Amollo ODINGA’s opponent, incumbent Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki, the winner of the Presidential election by a margin of about 230,000 votes. Raila Amollo ODINGA disputed the result. In the wake of the contested presidential election, ODINGA ordered fellow Luo tribal members as well as to riot to show their allegiance to him. In a particularly blood-thirsty fashion, ODINGA’s followers killed hundreds of members of their political opposition, the Kikuyu tribe, including 50 who were Pentecostal Christians. These Christians were burned to death in their church and were comprised primarily of women and children. Other Kikuyu victims were hacked to death. In all, during the post-election chaos, more than 1000 Christian churches were destroyed (Christians number 25 million in Kenya and Muslims number 3.5 million).
“Book links OBAMA to massacre of Christians”
www.wnd.com...
“BO Campaigned for Kenya Muslim Terrorist”
messageboards.ivillage.com...

The Kenya Connection [Barack Obama, Raila Odinga]
www.nysun.com...

atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...
After a post-electoral crisis ensued that resulted in the deaths of 1,500 people and the displacement of 600,000 more, Raila Amollo ODINGA agreed to stop the violence in exchange for being named Kenya’s Prime Minister. During the election season, when Raila Amollo ODINGA’s election as Kenyan President became doubtful, Raila Amollo ODINGA promised: (a) to go easy on suspected Islamic terrorists if elected, (b) to halt the transfer of suspected Islamic terrorists to other countries for interrogation, and (c) on August 29, 2007, Raila Amollo ODINGA entered into a formal agreement, the Memorandum of Understanding, with radical Muslim extremist (AL SHABAAB) Sheikh Abdullah Abdi of the National Muslim Leaders Forum (NAMLF) whose followers are known to be part of AL QAEDA terrorist cells in Kenya. The Memorandum stated that if the radical Muslims in OBAMA/ODINGA’s district in Kenya (the (AL SHABAAB) helped Raila Amollo ODINGA gain power, once President he would instate Islamic Sharia law. As the AL SHABAAB radical Islamic extremists demanded of ODINGA (OBAMA’s choice for Presidential candidate and family member), the push for Islamic courts and Sharia law is happening in Kenya, a development that was publicized in the U.S. on February 11, 2010.
“OBAMA-backed ally forged pact with radical Muslims”
www.wnd.com...
“Push for Islamic Courts in Kenya Alarms Christians”
www.assistnews.net...

“OBAMA’s shocking AL QAEDA link”
www.theobamafile.com...

“BO Campaigned for Kenya Muslim Terrorist”
messageboards.ivillage.com...

Barack Hussein OBAMA II gave almost 1 million dollars to his cousin Raila Amollo ODINGA’s election bid under the name “Friends of OBAMA”. On August 26 and 27th, 2006 at several political rallies in Nairobi and at several stops in his father’s native region of Kenya, OBAMA openly campaigned extensively in person with Raila Amollo ODINGA during OBAMA’s 2006 Senate “fact-finding visit” to Kenya, South AFRICA, Chad, Djibouti, Ethiopia, and Chad. OBAMA made this trip while a sitting U.S. Senator from the state of Illinois, a congressional delegation of one. OBAMA’s bias for his first cousin and fellow Luo, Raila Amollo ODINGA was so blatant that a Kenya government spokesman denounced OBAMA during his visit as Raila’s "stooge." While campaigning in northeast Kenya for Raila Amollo ODINGA, collaborator with radical Islamic extremists, the AL SHABAAB, OBAMA was photographed as a SOMALI elder, in full Muslim regalia. This is especially troubling for the following reasons. AL QAEDA has been working with SOMALI radical Islamic extremists and radical Islamic extremist SOMALI Kenyans inside Kenya since the early 1990s. In fact, southern SOMALIA is where the threat of terrorism and support for Islamic extremism is the greatest.

“Proof OBAMA backed ODINGA”
www.wnd.com...
“OBAMA and ODINGA: The True Story”
canadafreepress.com...

“OBAMA’s shocking AL QAEDA link”
www.theobamafile.com...

“BO Campaigned for Kenya Muslim Terrorist”
messageboards.ivillage.com...
Ironically, on August 28, 2006, while in Kenya, OBAMA gave a speech at the University of Nairobi in which he informed the citizens of the Kenyan nation that ethnic-based (Luo, Kikuyu, Kamba and Maasi ethnic tribes) politics must stop and their freedom is jeopardized by public corruption. Kenyans vote along tribal lines with the winners, from the more populous groups, handing out patronage only to members of their own tribe.
“Senator rebukes Kenya's corruption” www.suntimes.com...
This action, OBAMA supporting his cousin Raila Amollo ODINGA’s election to the Kenyan Presidency, while ODINGA is being supported by radical Islamic extremists, the AL SHABAAB, was, in fact, aiding and abetting our enemy, radical Muslim extremists, such as AL QAEDA. Thus, OBAMA committed a treasonous act. It is a treasonous act because although cooperation between AL QAEDA and the AL SHABAAB is relatively recent, AL QAEDA has been working with SOMALI radical Islamic extremists and radical Islamic extremist ethnic SOMALI Kenyans inside Kenya since the early 1990s. According to U.S. intelligence reports, bin Laden sent Islamic extremists to Somalia in 1991-1992 to help the SOMALI Islamic radical group al-Ittihad al-Islamiya (Islamic Unity, or AIAI) to organize an armed militia, establish schools and clinics, and prepare to seize power. One of the most grievous unintended consequences of the U.S. intervention in SOMALIA was that U.S. peacekeeping forces became a lightning rod for terrorist attacks from bin Laden's terrorists and their SOMALI allies. AL QAEDA’s first known terrorist attack against Americans was the December 1992 bombing of a hotel in Aden, Yemen, used by American soldiers en route to Somalia to participate in the relief operations.

“OBAMA’s shocking AL QAEDA link”
www.theobamafile.com...
Somalia and al-Qaeda: Implications for the War on Terrorism
www.heritage.org...

One must remember that AL QAEDA is supported by a global Islamic network called the Muslim Brotherhood (MB) which in Arabic is called the al-Ikhwan al-Muslimun. The title of an 18-page strategy paper of the Muslim Brotherhood dated Oct. 25, 1991 is entitled, “Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America.” This strategy paper was authored by Mohamed Akram, who was a key Ikhwan leader in the U.S. at the time. Akram is now the Secretary General of the International al-Quds Foundation in Lebanon as well as Director of the al-Quds International Institute. An overview of the MB’s strategic goal in North America is as follows: The Ikhwan [Salafist mujahideen branch of the MB] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 03:34 AM
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Whats your point in linking to two articles that do not say anything about Obama being Kenyan born, they neither support or refute the allegation? Two non-articles trumps one, is that the tactic?

I think you miss the significance of the Sunday Standard article, that being, that it was printed in 2004…long before there was any birther movement.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 03:36 AM
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Missing Bush?

Unable to steal an election like you did back in 2000?

Then Scream about a Birth certificate [ that has already been produced ] and demand your country back! [ Tell that to the native Americans! ]



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 03:41 AM
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What facts? The facts are that Obama was elected by both a majority of electoral votes, and the popular vote, he was confirmed by the Senate, and then sworn in by the Chief Justice of the SCOTUS.

The facts are that he produced a legal form of ID for all of America to look at and scrutinize.

The facts are that Hawai'i also backs up the claim that he was born in Hawai'i.

So you got a single newspaper in 2004 that has already been debunked?



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 03:55 AM
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Originally posted by whatukno
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What facts? The facts are that Obama was elected by both a majority of electoral votes, and the popular vote, he was confirmed by the Senate, and then sworn in by the Chief Justice of the SCOTUS.


All sub corps of the US corp and not lawful government!


The facts are that he produced a legal form of ID for all of America to look at and scrutinize.


He produced nothing that proves his origin of birth.

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The facts are that Hawai'i also backs up the claim that he was born in Hawai'i.


They did nothing of the kind and blocked investigators from looking at his original records and produced a fake certificate given to other people of foreign birth


So you got a single newspaper in 2004 that has already been debunked?


No what I have is a man who has spent millions hiding his records, the video of Michelle's slip of the tongue, the interview with his grandmother in Kenya, the plaque in the Kenya hospital where he was born, the video on his Indonesian citizenship, and the obvious with his refusal to address the fake Hawaiian BC among the many other things ...

So to all the of you deniers of Obamas Kenyan birth STFU or prove he was born here!!! Repeating your mantras of denial over and over and ignoring the facts just makes you look like idiots more and more!



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 03:57 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
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Perhaps he has Fox News on his cable provider.


For one thing FOX doesn't push the birther issue at all, just the opposite.



Correct.

Even Faux News has more sense than to back this crap.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 04:01 AM
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Originally posted by amonza
reply to post by Southern Guardian
 

Whats your point in linking to two articles that do not say anything about Obama being Kenyan born, they neither support or refute the allegation? Two non-articles trumps one,


You should really read what is being posted. The two articles make up the original AP article that make no mention of Obama. The same AP article from the Kenyan newspaper was modified to add in 'Kenyan born Obama'. AP themselves never put that in, it was some undisclosed individual who did not bother to put his or her name to it. So again its a matter of what 'he/she' said, not what the Associated Press said that folks continue to reference here. Get it?


I think you miss the significance of the Sunday Standard article, that being, that it was printed in 2004…long before there was any birther movement.


Which proves it more so as people were less informed about Obama and his history. This individual typed 'kenyan born' into an AP article without referencing any sources, and yet birthers are jumping around. It was an assumption again based on ignorance, and him being Kenyan makes no difference. Its as if everybody who is Kenyan has access to Obama's birth records? Really? Come back to earth will ya?

In addition to that there are much more articles before the elections clarifying Obama as Hawaiian born. You cannot pick and choose which to believe and which not to.


[edit on 12-4-2010 by Southern Guardian]



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 04:02 AM
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Birth certificate or it never happened.

Think about what you deniers are asking.

We are very willing to accept a president that has never showed a BIRTH CERTIFICATE of the nation he was born to get the highest job in our country.
Yet you the slave middle class have to show your papers to buy toilet paper, or to drive your car on a public street, You just to fly have to be subjected to naked body scanners or a pat down and you are treated like a prisoner.



I know 100% of the Kenyon birth deniers that say the president is a U.S. citizen has never seen his BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
Yet they will argue on behalf of it.

I think there is enough evidence that he is from Kenya.The deniers can put on the tin hats and stand in line with the holocaust deniers.

That being said will anything come of the evidence ? No Americans don't like to be tricked. So they would rather go along with the trick than admit to it to save their dignity.

If you want to keep crying about it thats great. Imo don't waste your time on useless topics the president could slay and eat children for fun and you still would have deniers.

Hes a joke, wielding our power. When hes out of office he can go rot like bush.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 04:06 AM
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I have to be honest, I read most of this thread but couldn't stomach the entire thing.

A few things occur to me.

- Aren't there more important things to be focusing our time and energy on than being made to look absolutely foolish perpetuating this crap?

-I say crap because this whole conspiracy is probably a disinformation campaign against the tea party. You don't know how racist this whole 'birther' thing makes people look to normal black people and rational white folks.

-This 'he isn't from here' stuff wouldn't be an issue if he was white. Admit it, this thing is based in racist fear of black people.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 04:08 AM
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Originally posted by GW8UK
For somebody whos nearly 50, that is a clean, fresh, new looking birth certificate!

It should look more like this:
bartblog.bartcop.com...


You're genuinely not aware that fresh copies of your birth certificate can be purchased from your State any time you like?
You can contact your own state now, online, and buy them by the thousand if you want.

However, if your birthplace is Hawaii, you will only have one type available to buy, and that is the type Obama has shown in your picture.


This is so typical of Birther stupidity.
"Oh no, his birth certificate is new!!!!
"It must be a fake!!!!!"

And Birthers wonder why the rest of the world laughs at them.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 04:09 AM
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You seem to overlook that you're the one with the outlandish claims.

People who believe Obama was born in Hawai base their opinion on the presented evidence which was fully scrutinised and deeemed to be strong enough to win him the election.

People who believe he was born elesewhere dont have any evidence and rely on hearsay, rumour and unwarranted suspicion .

It's amazing how Obama seems to struggle to get things done when he's President but when he was just a Senator he had entire states and Govt. covering his tracks, faking certifiates and lying on his behalf.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 04:10 AM
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...because when a government official from a third world country says it...
IT MUST BE TRUE!

Oh and btw, he's not a socialist. He's a corporatist.
blogs.wsj.com...

[edit on 12-4-2010 by muggl3z]



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 04:17 AM
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Originally posted by hawkiye
All sub corps of the US corp and not lawful government!


What are you going on about? The president was verified by the Electoral college and Congress in accordance to constitutional guidelines. December 15th, 2008. By all means look it up!



He produced nothing that proves his origin of birth.


He produced a short form birth certificate that was verified by Hawaiian officials. That is more than enough, more than I have seen other presidents in my life time present.

To you he has not proven enough because, well, you dont personally like him. Fortunately your personal feelings on the matter and on the elections dont apply.


They did nothing


They did all they needed to do. Fukino also personally verified Obama's birth in accordance to her access into his records:


I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.

I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago,” Fukino said, in hopes of ending the controversy surrounding Obama’s citizenship.

hawaii.gov...


kind and blocked investigators from looking at his original records


Nobody has to block anybody. Nobody has to spend any amount to block anything. Theres this arrogance among birthers over this notion their efforts to smear are making some impact. The fact is neither Obama or the Hawaiian health department are required by law or by the constitution to present anything further. The elections are over, Obama does not have to respond to demands, requests, the law does not obligate him to do so. He doesnt have to do or respond to anything and that is exactly what he has been doing. It may be a fact people like you dont like to hear but thats it, he has not responded and does not need to respond.



produced a fake certificate


oh yes, that be the Kenyan birth certificate from WND.

Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate was verified by officials.



No what I have is a man who has spent millions hiding his records,


Why do you continue to spread this lie. Where is the evidence his spending any amount? If his not required by law he need not respond or spend any amount.

Put the evidence where your mouth is please. The rightwing talking points do little than waste space.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 04:20 AM
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The very fact that he paid to have his records sealed should send up red flags to everyone. If you have something to hide, DON"T RUN FOR PRESIDENT!
If its not the fact that he is Kenyan born that he is hiding, then we should ask ourselves what is it then. I for one would rather believe that it is his birth certificate than some of the other things my imagination comes up with.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 04:21 AM
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Originally posted by muggl3z
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...because when a government official from a third world country says it...
IT MUST BE TRUE!


Because the Hawaiian officials who have been stating his birth in Hawaii must have been lying right? You have Fukino continously verifying his birth on Hawaiian born and thats not good enough, you have one kenyan politician making a passing comment and thats good enough for you.

Oh the hypocrisy of it all!



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 04:24 AM
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Originally posted by Chronogoblin
I have to wonder why this keeps coming back. I seriously doubt it's because 'birthers' keep paying to have these articles published.


And what conclusion do you have that birtherd don't keep bring this up



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