Alert - Imminent STock Market Crash

reply to post by Stewie


This effect has occurred around throughout history. There are two processes here:-

1. The bigger the honeypot, the greater the number of wasps.
2. Fraud can always be hushed up in the fat years, but in the lean years, it is very hard to hide up missing money.

Originally posted by Emilymary
I can assure you there is no such vote in the UK House of Commons on Tuesday.
This post is piffle, its bogus.
There is absolutely nothing going before the H of C to change Britain's voting systems before an election takes place.
Impossible.
I would advise caution to anyone who may be taking this absolute lie seriously.
What your motivation is I cannot imagine.

There was a vote in the House of Commons on Tuesday in which:

Gordon Brown's plan to hold a referendum next year on scrapping the first-past-the-post system for elections for Westminster won a convincing majority....

Independent, 10 February 2010

If it's not blocked by the House of Lord's, the referendum would have to be held by the end of October 2011. The general election is due on or before 3 June 2010 - expected 6th May.

[edit on 9-2-2010 by EvilAxis]

ww3 here we come people.


this is just what happens before a major war.

and the federal reserve bring in new little dirty tricks.

over here we have the ETS taking off.

Bloody drug dealing unions, they just wont stop corrupting the Australian government.... I was recently told since labor came in, a small % of our pay goes to the unions/ or union you belong to by signing under a union agreement.

I would very much prefer and AWA and a bill of rights which cannot be removed or nullified.

reply to post by aristocrat2



we got out of the market before the obama got in there... our broker told us what was going to happen and it has right up to this point... so we are done... dumped everything and turned it into prescious metals and placed a bunch of cash off shore..... want no more to do with any of it... let the damn mess fall....

To be honest a crash is always likely, this is always the perfect scare tactic to spread panic and cause gain among elitist. Here is a perfect example. Back in the days when Nepolian existed, on the Waterloo account I believe it was a Rothchild that sent news that Nepolian defeated the British and all the land values and other stocks in England fell ridiculously low. When this happened a Rothchild bought up everything they could get their hands on. Now, when you hear the word "Rothchild" it refers to an elite family.

I am sure the market will crash as the bubble is growing from the money out of thin air the Federal Reserve is slinging out will eventually burst the bubble. But, in the mean time it would be smarter to study about life during the "Great Depression" as that is the after effect of a market crash. I think the worst part of this is how dangerous this could be in the means of elites finally organizing a global rule such as a NWO, who could fight it when people are panicking over obtaining basic items just like the 1930s. The only thing I can really provide in a positive manner over all is learn to garden, learn how to use solar and wind power generation and look into Bio-diesel or Hydrogen to power your vehicle.

Originally posted by lilwolf
reply to post by aristocrat2

 

we got out of the market before the obama got in there... our broker told us what was going to happen and it has right up to this point... so we are done... dumped everything and turned it into prescious metals and placed a bunch of cash off shore..... want no more to do with any of it... let the damn mess fall....

To you and others

A diversified equity portfolio is up about 35% since Obama took office. If your broker is telling you otherwise because your portfolio is standing still, then you need to confront your broker, because he is feeding you lies you are anxious to believe. Correlating poor market performance with Obama is nothing but wishful thinking. I predict that the markets will rise more as a % under Obama than any other President before he is through. It won't be because of anything he specifically does, it's just that America's publicly traded corporations are much stronger than anyone thinks. We spend most all our money with them and will contiue to do so because smaller firms can't compete with their scale. 80% of the people are still working and spending most all of what they make. The S&P 500 has over 50% of it's biz overseas. This will offset a weak dollar if that occurs. Plus in inflationary times asset values rise - stocks are assets.

No Triple Top until the dow passes about 16,500. I don't believe in the whole science of charting especially for anything other than very short term moves. I do use it to identify buy points. I had identified the 1049 level as a buy point and became almost fully invested late last week. The limit orders were in for a long time. Glad they got filled.

The US won't default on debt because we have the ability to print the money, which is what we need to do. Everyone screaming about monetizing debt doesn't realize that if we actually print the money, it is much less monetizing than issuing all this debt. The debt is leveraged 10X over which is the real inflation danger. If they simply print money and pay down the debt and finance operations this will have the effect of shrinking the money supply and thus limiting inflation. Pent up demand will limit the possibility of deflation.

PFE (viagra maker) impossible to have bought at a place where you were up 850% and then ended down 50% even at bottom of market in March. Check your math again, the historical prices do not support your contention.

As the dollar strengthens, Gold and commodities will get punished hard. Don't be the last one out the door.

A sucker is born every minute. This whole thread is prime sucker material.

Have a good night.

Interesting article by Paul Farrell in the WSJ today. A must read.

www.marketwatch.com...

Originally posted by Mr Poopra
Interesting article by Paul Farrell in the WSJ today. A must read.

www.marketwatch.com...

Important enough to earn it's own thread. I think you should start one.

reply to post by aristocrat2


I was thinking the same thing about the Elliot Wave as applied to a long term scenario of 25 years or so. When you look at the Dow's ascent since the early 80's, the crash after the S&L scandal was a hiccup in the soon to be meteoric rise of the Dow.

Through its existence, the Dow didn't break 1,000 to stay until the early 80's, almost 90 years. It broke 2,000 right before and again right after the S&L crisis. It only took a few more years to break 3,000. A little dip with the recession of the early 90's then a few years later, it broke 4,000. A few years after that, it nearly tripled. The Dot Com bubble burst early in 2001, then came 9/11. The housing bubble comes along and all of a sudden you have property investors to replace the tech investors and the Dow drives upward to 14,000 until the bottom falls out and here we are again. In less than two years the Dow has regained what, 4,000 points?

You could have the head and shoulders scenario plotted over a 20 year period from the early 90's to today. a peak around 2000 followed by a bottom around 2003. Left shoulder. A higher peak in 2007(Head) followed by another bottom early in 2009. Gain another 1,000 points or so in the next year and there's your right shoulder, ripe for a plunge right back to reality. All this "growth" is an illusion based on people borrowing to spend. Prop it up all you want, in the end, if people aren't borrowing and spending, it won't last. If people aren't working, they aren't spending. If people are more worried about paying down their debt rather than buying a new car, TV, cell phone, lawn mower or whatever, they aren't spending.

Think a DJIA of 1,000 is a can't or won't happen scenario? Never say can't or won't happen because it belies an irresponsible belief that "things will always work themselves out because they always have". That is a naive and foolish mindset. That's putting your faith in a flawed system and relatively speaking, a handful of people. I don't know if it would drop all the way to 1,000 but I could see 2,000, 2,500, which, when you consider the history of it, is probably where it should be.

I could easily see the Dow crashing and unfortunately, most people are poorly prepared for it if it does. My mother lived through the Great Depression but that was because she was of a farming family that knew how to live off the land and with the bare necessities, even in dire times. The bare necessities have been redefined for most people in today's world and that is not a good thing because the bare necessities of the past are things that are now largely taken for granted.

Forget about fundamental, technical and what ever analysis you want to use for your stocks.

For what is comming in my opinion has never been seen before.

Countries, business and individuals rely on debt/credit to survive. What keeps this merry go round of debt going is:
1) your credit rating or your continued ability to make good on the debt every thirty days.
2) the party providing you the credit can still provide you with the debt facility.

If Countries cant meet debt obligations it wont be long before business and individuals follow in a domino effect. All it takes is another seizure like Oct 08 stemming from fear of default and credit dries up.

The real breaker will be massive jumps in interest rates across the board that will tip business and consumers into the situation that they will not be able to afford the interest and fold.

The general election is due on or before 3 June 2010 - expected 6th May.

1. Firstly,under the Septennial Act 1715 and its subsequent amendments under the Parliamentary Act, Gordy Brown CAN either suspend a General Election after 2nd June or INDEFINITELY.

To do so, he must have the OK from the Hose of Lords. Traditionally, the House of Lords would NEVER< NEVER agree to this. The "Old Boys" would have loved nothing better than to uphold democracy and get one over the House Of Commons be telling them NO, BUT, Tony Blair and Gordy have been packing the House Of Lords for years with their own political puppets and stripped down the number of hereditory Lords from 3,400 to 92.

Given a large enough terrorist incident, such as a bio-weapon in Manchester or a small nuke in the Olympics, Gordy's home and dry and democracy goes out like a light just as it did with the Reichstag fire. Hence for Gordy to seize absolute power, a terrorist incident must occur on or before 9th May 2010.

If Gordy does pull this stunt, the Tories might walk out from Parliament and you have the distant rumblings of the beginnings of a civil war.

2. If Gordy does choose 6th May, he's in for an absolute whipping as the local council elections fall on that date. It would allow traditional Labour supporters who are feeling a tad upset with Gordy to vote Labour in the Council elections and Troy in the General Election and still look people in the eye and tell everyone that they voted Labour and to be not technically telling lies.

Originally posted by Awakening4America
To be honest a crash is always likely, this is always the perfect scare tactic to spread panic and cause gain among elitist. Here is a perfect example. Back in the days when Nepolian existed, on the Waterloo account I believe it was a Rothchild that sent news that Nepolian defeated the British and all the land values and other stocks in England fell ridiculously low. When this happened a Rothchild bought up everything they could get their hands on. Now, when you hear the word "Rothchild" it refers to an elite family.

People say, "You can't breat the bookies". This is untrue. A system was developed called "The American Telegraph System" which does. As soon as people began using it,the profits at all the major bookmakers in the UK dropped like a stone. To prevent it, that is why bookmakers introduced limits...supposedly to protect the gambler, but actually to protect themselves.

How does the American Telegraphic System work? The basic idea is simple. Every bet is two sided so when you place a bet on a horse at 1 to 5 odds the bookmaker is actually placing a bet against you on the same horse of 5 to 1 odds. Hence, to beat the bookmaker who usually always wins, you place bets WITH the bookmaker AGAINST all the people out there, so every time he wins, so do you.

...And this concept is a fundamental way to beat the NWO. Just bet WITH the Rothchilds on the DOw Jones AGAINST everyone else.

Originally posted by oze bob
Forget about fundamental, technical and what ever analysis you want to use for your stocks.

For what is comming in my opinion has never been seen before.

Countries, business and individuals rely on debt/credit to survive. What keeps this merry go round of debt going is:
1) your credit rating or your continued ability to make good on the debt every thirty days.
2) the party providing you the credit can still provide you with the debt facility.

If Countries cant meet debt obligations it wont be long before business and individuals follow in a domino effect. All it takes is another seizure like Oct 08 stemming from fear of default and credit dries up.

The real breaker will be massive jumps in interest rates across the board that will tip business and consumers into the situation that they will not be able to afford the interest and fold.

I never cease to amazed at idiots who say, "Forget about technical analysis, look at the fundamentals" or "forget about the fundamentals, look at the Elliot Wave."

The hard fact is that THEY ARE ALL POINTING IN THE SAME DIRECTION.

The following point to a horrendous crash...

- Technical Analysis
- Fundamental Analysis
- Elliot Wave Analysis
- National Debt Crisis
- Weak employment numbers
- Iranian military crisis
- Even the Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Theory Listed above.
- There is no-one trying to put it right only make it worse with short term policies.
- Above all, this situation HAS occurred once before, in 1345AD, when civilization came a smudge away from total collapse, bubonic plague swept through a crippled Europe and the population of the world fell 30% in 60 years.

It's ALL as gloomy as it can be.

Originally posted by Dbriefed

Originally posted by Mr Poopra
Interesting article by Paul Farrell in the WSJ today. A must read.

www.marketwatch.com...

Important enough to earn it's own thread. I think you should start one.

Noted, thread is here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by OBE1


I will grant you that Prechter doesn't have a great track record on gold. But he does with equities, bonds and other commodities. Since this thread was talking about a stock market crash, I'll stand by my opinion of Prechter. He has written over a dozen books on Elliott Wave Theory and it's implications for not just financial markets but also for non-financial aspects of society. Has your Elliott Wave guy done that?

reply to post by aristocrat2


Yes, the Kontradief cycle is certainly interesting but useless in terms of making stock market investment decisions due to it's long term nature. but there is another type of chart analysis that confirms Elliott Wave (Prechter's) long term outlook. Back in early 2000, when most stock market indices had peaked, CNBC interviewed a Professor of Economics (don't recall his name) who had this to say.

He and his team had analyzed 150 years of stock market data using regression analysis, which produced a trendline for the Dow Jones Industrial Average that had just crossed 4,000 level in early 2000. At that time the DJIA was actually over 11,000. What this professor found was that each and every time the DJIA moved more than 3 standard deviations above or below the long term trendline, it ALWAYS eventually came back to and then crossed over the trendline. He then said that at it's peak, the DJIA (and the market as a whole) had gotten more than 3 standard deviations from the trendline and therefore it would eventually fall back below the trendline which at that point in time, as I said, was just over 4,000.

What this means in a nutshell is that equity markets tend to overshoot reasonable value levels in both directions. At the peak in 1929 the markets were (in hindsight) absurdly overpriced and at the bottom in 1932, they were (again in hindsight) absurdly cheap. Average dividend yields exceeded 17%. The average now is somewhere around 3%. Elliott Wave Theory says this coming decline is of a larger scale than the '29-32 drop and therefore it's likely that dividend yields will be higher than their 1932 peak when this decline is done. Given that companies reduce their dividends when times are bad, that means that falling stock prices will be chasing falling dividends. To go from 3% to (let's say) 18% requires a drop in the stock price of 83% assuming the dividend stays the same. If the dividend in $ terms is cut in half, then the stock price has to drop even more (92%)

reply to post by Beancounter72


A 92% drop gives Dow Jones at about 800 which is the figure Robyn Landry is giving for the Dow by Christmas, althoug Landry also gave 4,400 by Christmas 2009 and generally, his work is proving to be accurate, but to have a timelag about 3 to months off the actual time.

As someone once said, Wall St doesn''t do anything until it comes right up and slaps it in the face.

reply to post by Graybeard


This IS the triple top that I describe.

Wow, some cheery stuff in there OP! I thought your post about the c.18 and c.14 stuff - civil war, plague and massive inter-national de-population is perhaps the first time I have seen those particular references made. Some really lucid ideas here, thanks.

I would love to say you are wrong (on those counts at least), but sadly I can't see any great reason for doing so just yet. I'm not an investor, trader or economist, just someone who's interested in learning more about what's going on in our world. I too have been watching the news and ATS and things like the Sydney conference, it's timing against the backdrop of all the other information we seem to get, and I too feel an irrefutable sense of forboding about the situation, although it is partly linked to perceptions framed around the timing of the UK election, which I think you share.

Without really knowing the full details of what's unfolding globally/diplomatically, and all the signs are that there will not be any real developments in transparency on that front any time soon (Chilcott; Binyam Mohamed; etc...) , I guess we won't really know what's out there until after events have passed...

Seen today's posting about Birmingham City Council's projection/plans for cuts, I heard it's not just cuts next year but over five years that may be particularly grim reading. This is set to unfold from all local authorities soon. What was it you were saying about Heath/unions?

reply to post by curioustype


To stop the UK going bankrupt, it would need a chainsaw taken to public spending.