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reply posted on 9-2-2010 @ 12:59 AM by Eurisko2012
Originally posted by aristocrat2
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
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If Iran sets off a small nuclear bomb in a remote area of Iran,
will the stock market crash???


No of course not, why, doesn;'t everyone love eating glow in the dark oranges from Jaffa in Israel?

Sorry, but that was sarcastic of me. I guess another sarcastic answer would be DUH!


North Korea set off a small nuke.
Pakistan set off a small nuke.
I guess it's Irans turn. - BOOM -


reply posted on 9-2-2010 @ 01:07 AM by aristocrat2
Originally posted by GreenBicMan




Take a look at a chart from like 1930

This same exact formation has happened many times.

In fact one formed from 35-45 - same thing, then the market took off

This doesn't have any historical prescedent, so you will have to be quite convincing.


Actually, no, it doesn't. CLose analysis of mid-30's shows again a head and sholders formation, leading to a low just prior to WW2.

Likewise, you also have the other style of collapse, sometimes called a "Ted Heath Collapse" as the classic one was from 1970 to 1975 mainly under the Ted Heath Government in the uK. In that sort of collapse, everyone cannot believe that it can get any worse and has good grounds ot say so, but it just does. Ted Heath's Governement iwas one of the most "accident prone" Governments of all time. First, he had a strike by the power station workers so industry had rationed electricity at a time of booming demand. Once he had resolved that, the Israeli's and Arabs went to war resulting in no oil for car, trucks or power stations. When that finanlly ended, the coal miners went on strike. So Ted went to the countryin a General Election saying "Who runs the country, the miners or me?" He won way more votes than the opposition, but the opposition Labour Party managed to target "marginal constituencies, so Ted Heath won few seats by a big margin whilst the Opposition won lots of seats by a tiny margin.

That was a Ted Heath collapse, and is NOT like now. In this, the recovery is pathetic at best as public debt sors out of control. It is a simple matter of how long before everyone suddenly comes out of denial which will, I believe, be sudden and dramatic.


reply posted on 9-2-2010 @ 01:11 AM by GreenBicMan
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OK you bated me.

I dont need to name my collapses, but I can tell you that was a retest of 1970's low, Ill call it the greenbicman collapse.

You think the market will plummet with 0% interest rates? To DOW 5000 no less? So we are going to have the strongest dollar in the past 30 years plus 0% interest rates PLUUUUS DOW at 5000?

I commend you, because this is better than most attempts, and I like your story.

You are getting suckered in mang', im telling you.



reply posted on 9-2-2010 @ 01:12 AM by Rockpuck
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What is fascinating about the graph you show.. is the volume numbers. Notice since the collapse of the USSR, specifically anyways.. the huge inflation of the Market. I believe that this, from 1989 to today is the heart of our problem .. economically speaking of course. I know you have a firm grasp on the technicalities of the market movements, however looking at economic, especially historical (not statistics) you can see the American economy has suffered a .... debasing. Something has shifted it off foundation, a chronic illness if you will. And it seems to have started right after the fall of the USSR, a time in our history when we basically sacrificed everything to "out spend" the Russians. Economic debasing, historically speaking, also seen as the fall of an empire can sometimes take many decades.

Imminent market collapse? I don't see it.


reply posted on 9-2-2010 @ 01:13 AM by GreenBicMan
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Dude, that faked me out too

They dont have volume from back then

haha


reply posted on 9-2-2010 @ 01:15 AM by aristocrat2
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The CANADIAN dolalr will skyrocket against the US Dollar, the Euro and the UK Sterling (where it is already powering up) This will occur as the Canadians have amongst if not the actually lowest debt load per capita and compared to GDP for any Western nation whilst countires like the UK, US, Greece, SPain, Portugal's debt will be increasingly look like Junk Bonds.


reply posted on 9-2-2010 @ 01:16 AM by GreenBicMan
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Canadian Dollar?

Hold on, I am going to hold you to your word.

Get a chart of everything you are talking about, then we will go from there.

If you need help let me know, but you gotta back it up.

[edit on 9-2-2010 by GreenBicMan]



reply posted on 9-2-2010 @ 01:18 AM by aristocrat2
Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to
post by GreenBicMan



What is fascinating about the graph you show.. is the volume numbers. Notice since the collapse of the USSR, specifically anyways.. the huge inflation of the Market. I believe that this, from 1989 to today is the heart of our problem .. economically speaking of course. I know you have a firm grasp on the technicalities of the market movements, however looking at economic, especially historical (not statistics) you can see the American economy has suffered a .... debasing. Something has shifted it off foundation, a chronic illness if you will. And it seems to have started right after the fall of the USSR, a time in our history when we basically sacrificed everything to "out spend" the Russians. Economic debasing, historically speaking, also seen as the fall of an empire can sometimes take many decades.

Imminent market collapse? I don't see it.


Someone once said, "The Stock Market has successfully predicted recession on 12 of the last 10 occasions". When a technical analysis is combined with fundamental analysis and BOTH point ot catastrophe, as someone once said, "When you see the dude with BOMB SQUAD running away, follow him".


reply posted on 9-2-2010 @ 01:19 AM by GreenBicMan
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I was actually watching this pretty good documentary about NASDAQ. I can't remember where I watched it etc. but it was this guy prohecizing (SP?) by 2010 NASDAQ should be at like 8000 or something crazy like that. It was because it hasnt made its full parabolic move yet. That is the case for goldbug's right now. How did the NASDAQ hold up?

I just bring this to light because it is so hard to say what is up or down in the marketplace that it's almost dumb to even talk about it. Think about how many times you have been totally faked out over and over?

I think the move in the early 90's really paved the way for greed. Money was never so easy, we should have never made that move in NASDAQ and I really wonder what will become of the whole PHLX index etc. Micron and things used to be in the high triple digits, its crazy.

[edit on 9-2-2010 by GreenBicMan]




[edit on 9-2-2010 by GreenBicMan]



Also I didnt know this but NASDAQ is totally transparent with all bid/ask on both sides. Its called CLEARVIEW or something, you can see all participants and all volume. NASADAQ is actually pretty amazing, even though there still is dark liquidity - soo...

[edit on 9-2-2010 by GreenBicMan]


reply posted on 9-2-2010 @ 01:32 AM by aristocrat2
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After a crash to about 5000 very roughly, there will be a "deadcat bounce" retracing about 1/2 or 1/3 of the lost index within a day or so. In the weeks that follow, this will rapidly erode until the market is back to the bottom of the pit.

If a 1/2 retracement,there is ultimately a recovery. A 1/3 retracement would be hyper-bad, sort of "end of America" sort of thing.

RObyn Landry puts the Dow Jones at about 800 or so by Christmas 2010.


reply posted on 9-2-2010 @ 01:37 AM by Bicent76
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If the dow hits 3000, its over for corperate America...

Anyhow the illusional markets will not stop functioning.

the dow will get a bailout..


reply posted on 9-2-2010 @ 01:37 AM by GreenBicMan
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We talking Fib retracements now?

Can you speak on how you believe in

1) 0% interest rate environment

2)Also having the strongest dollar in forever

3)Plus IBM worth about $25 a share

In the next how many months?

This is impossible, but I am willing to listen.


reply posted on 9-2-2010 @ 01:43 AM by aristocrat2
Originally posted by Bicent76
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post by aristocrat2



If the dow hits 3000, its over for corperate America...

Anyhow the illusional markets will not stop functioning.

the dow will get a bailout..



"It's worse than that, he's dead, Jim" - Spock

If the Dow Collapses because of worries over budget deficits, bonds will tank too. The flight to quality will be to Canadian bonds probably. If this happens, the yield will soar de facto and bond auctions will become a fiasco.

Given this, China just might cash in her chips too dumping her bonds on the market like she's taken six boxes of laxative.

GIven this all, refinancing of the US Government simply to pay the interest, let alone to pay slaries could be nigh-on an impossible task causing fresh fears of default. Given this, it would be hard to see Obama actually being ABLE to carry out a bailout, even if he wanted to. ANd if he did, it would scare the market EVEN MORE, causing even bigger sell-offs.


reply posted on 9-2-2010 @ 01:44 AM by GreenBicMan
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Why does the USA care about budget deficits?

It's pretty obvious we don't.

Why do you think PIIGS is even a really big deal?

We dominate those economies total GDP with the GDP of the west coast most likely.



reply posted on 9-2-2010 @ 01:47 AM by Bicent76
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MMM HMMM

reminds me of the old marvel comics i used to read..


What if....



I don't mind sitting around chit chattin a bout this what if, stuff, but
as far as worrying and stuff like that. I just let it worry about itself. Yet that does not mean I do not want to learn about it.. Yes thou it would be bad news for the civilized WORLD if our markets crashed. It would be pretty bad..


reply posted on 9-2-2010 @ 01:50 AM by aristocrat2
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This is not uncharter territory.

This happened ni 1789AD when the entirity of France had her savings in the King of France's bonds. Debt levels reached the equivalent of $8,000,000,000 in prices in those days and yields skyrocketed to 20% UNable to pay the interst, the National Assembly refused new money and taxes to allow refinancing on 11th July 1789. King then defaults on debt. BOnds collapsed and most of the businesses in France follwoed within hours. Riots over the weekend. Total stock market crashon the MOnday and Bastille stormed ont he Tuesday.

Same thing in 1345AD. England defaults on its debts to Bardi and Peruzzi causing the biggest crash in history. Totla economic wipeout in Milan, Florance and Venice. Riots, civil wars follwoed. Impoverished city states closed hospitals and schools. The bubonic plague that had been introduced by the Bardi and Peruzzi international trade was then able to spread unchecked. 60 years later, the world population was 30% less and the survivors were living in abject poverty.


reply posted on 9-2-2010 @ 01:51 AM by GreenBicMan
reply to post by aristocrat2



Who the hell is Robyn Landry?

Do you pay for her intraday information or something?

I hope not, DOW 800 isn't something you will be able to see because you wont have electricity at your house for tv or internet and there will be no more paperboy.


reply posted on 9-2-2010 @ 01:52 AM by GreenBicMan
reply to post by aristocrat2



Are you kidding me?

We are talking about the dark ages and stuff now?

omg man lol, you are great, where are you cutting and pasting all this shiznoz from anyway? i really hope you don't believe this garbage.


reply posted on 9-2-2010 @ 01:55 AM by aristocrat2
Originally posted by GreenBicMan
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post by aristocrat2



I hope not, DOW 800 isn't something you will be able to see because you wont have electricity at your house for tv or internet and there will be no more paperboy.


Yes there will...I live in Canada.
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