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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by WTFover
I think you're being rather condesending towards most people when you say that so many think that.
Originally posted by WTFover
As an example of the people, to which I refer, I remind you of the 2008 Black Friday trampling death, of a Walmart employee, by shoppers trying to be the first to a bargain.
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
So again i state the USA is a nation that is simply unevolved and in time you will undergo a change that takes you to a more caring society.
Originally posted by stereovoyaged
reply to post by poedxsoldiervet
Isnt' it worth at least a try, it cannot be any worst than the system you have in place now, I guess you would rather the devil you know than the devil you dont.
Originally posted by WTFover
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by WTFover
I think you're being rather condesending towards most people when you say that so many think that.
As an example of the people, to which I refer, I remind you of the 2008 Black Friday trampling death, of a Walmart employee, by shoppers trying to be the first to a bargain.
Originally posted by WTFover
My problem with the word "free" being bandied about so recklessly, is that there are too many who do not see anything else. Every time they are told the current U.S. "health care reform" will produce "free" health care, they take it to mean just that.
Originally posted by WTFover
The word "free", as related to the health care debate, is nothing but a misleading marketing tool. Look at how often it is used in advertising and, especially, info-mercials. That's because it works. Some peoples' minds just shut down, when they see the word. They are what I refer to as the Walmart Generation. They are convinced Walmart is the cheapest place to buy anything and they won't be convinced otherwise. Mind numbed automatons. Those who fell for the whole "hope" and "change" sales pitch. They are the target audience, not those who can think for themselves.
Originally posted by WTFover
When peoples' minds shut down, serious debate ceases. Just as I said, it then becomes a "us against them" scenario. We must, without question, accept this garbage legislation, or be accused of being racist, heartless, uncaring bigots.
Originally posted by k3456789
reply to post by stereovoyaged
free health care yes forced obamacare with no public option no
Originally posted by johnny2127
reply to post by stereovoyaged
Buddy I hate to burst your bubble, but your health care isn't free. Just because you don't pay when you go to the doctor doesn't mean it isn't free. You top tax brackets in Canada approach 70%. Average is 40%. While half of Americans that file tax returns owe zero taxes. So yes, you pay and pay heavily.
Oh, and of the 11 Canadians I know, all of them hate their health care system.
Originally posted by djspot
Originally posted by johnny2127
reply to post by stereovoyaged
Buddy I hate to burst your bubble, but your health care isn't free. Just because you don't pay when you go to the doctor doesn't mean it isn't free. You top tax brackets in Canada approach 70%. Average is 40%. While half of Americans that file tax returns owe zero taxes. So yes, you pay and pay heavily.
Oh, and of the 11 Canadians I know, all of them hate their health care system.
I signed up to the site just because of this comment.
This is the big problem, the idea that we pay the amount of taxes this poster claims is crazy...Where did you get your numbers???? American media portrays our health care system as lackluster, this is so false...that people die waiting for treatment? These things are simply not true!
You say you know 11 Canadians and they all hate their health care system...I'm 27 years old...lived in this country for 24 years now, I have not once heard one person say they hate our health care system.
Here's a link to the Canadian Revenue Agency website that shows our tax brackets and so on...
www.cra-arc.gc.ca...
Where is this 70% tax...
I make an average income, I live in Toronto, Ontario...I am deducted (federal and provincial combined) 30.2%
I can’t lie and sit here pretending I enjoy watching 30% of my pay get deducted...but I also don’t mind knowing that when my mother and grandmother were treated for cancer and underwent multiple surgery's they didn’t go into debt...when my mother had to have reconstructive surgery on both hands because of severe arthritis, when my sister had her daughter, etc.
Any Canadian who complains about our health care system deserved to endure what some Americans have had to face. It honestly hurts my heart when I hear of these horror stories about people having to make decisions on their health and well-being with money and debt being a factor. It really is very sad.
I will say this though, I've often caught Canadians downplaying our Country, in terms of public services and so on when speaking to Americans...I dont know why they do this.
Originally posted by johnny2127
You have to understand your total tax situation, not just income tax, which is just a portion.
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Originally posted by johnny2127
You have to understand your total tax situation, not just income tax, which is just a portion.
The total situation is that we pay our taxes, we live well, and all have access to health care...not free...just feels like it. It is presumptuous of you to insist otherwise.
Originally posted by johnny2127
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Originally posted by johnny2127
You have to understand your total tax situation, not just income tax, which is just a portion.
The total situation is that we pay our taxes, we live well, and all have access to health care...not free...just feels like it. It is presumptuous of you to insist otherwise.
Well from previous conversations with you in the thread, you did not understand your own tax situation outside of your income tax. And while some like yourself know your health care isn't truly "free", many do actually think that.
You like you're health care system, and as you stated earlier in this thread, you don't care how high your taxes are. The vast majority of people care how high their taxes are and want to be able to choose for themselves how to spend their money, and their own health care system.
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
My point is that we don't resent what we pay to achieve Universal Heath Care, and frankly, you can stop trying to tell us how bad we have it. We have what we have, and collectively, it amounts to a better life than yours because we have great treatment, and don't lose our homes if we get ill.
Our standard of living likely exceeds yours because our banking isn't #ed as well. My final word to you (again) is you can quit pressing your agenda on Canadians. It might work on scared conservatives, but don't pi$$ in my face and tell me it's raining out.
Originally posted by johnny2127
Originally posted by Terra Serranum
My wife's company just dropped their HMO, we can't afford the PPO which would be 50% higher so we're going with the HMO my work offers. It'll be $290 every two weeks for the family, the reason it's so "low" is because my employer pays for my portion of the insurance.
I had to change doctors cause the one I've had for the last 2 decades isn't covered, there are deductables, etc. Sadly that figure is about 20% of my paycheck, tell me why having free healthcare is a bad thing again?
Again, its not free! Geez, if we had Canada's system you would have at least 25% less in your paycheck at least from the higher taxes needed to pay for that system and the various others needed to support it.
You guys imagine that you'll have the same amount of money in your pocket, if not more, and then get free health care. Thats not how it works. First your taxes would sky rocket, and then the quality of your care goes down. Its not free people, open you eyes