Palestinians claim they have a right to the land, because until around 1948, they were living on it. Then it was given to the newly-formed nation of Israel. Of course, the Palestinians took it from others, who ultimately took it from the Israelites, and so on. Just about any tribe in the Middle East could probably lay claim to the land.

Understand that this is not in any sense a religious war. The only reason religion comes into it is that the elite Muslims can manipulate the masses by appealing to religious sentiments. So, while many Muslims are motivated by their religion, that is not the cause or the real reason for the wars and fighting. As always, it is money and power, not religion.

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The word Palestine derives from Philistia or Philistine, home to the Philistines who were the occupants of the coastal strip that is now Israel, whilst the Hebrews then lived in the uplands of Judea & Samaria. This problem has been going on for a long time not just since 1948.

The little land that is Israel/ Palestine is located at the only land bridge between the two vast continents of Asia and Africa: Thus, anybody living there is going to have to expect that powerful others will be requiring use of that land bridge from time to time.

Seems to me that any 'God' promising unending ownership of such a strategic piece of real estate, is setting up the said owners for much tribulation.
However, it is how the world goes, spin within spin within spin, solar system & galaxy, with Universe Beyond: All aahhh & aargh about:

I'd actually try to interject facts for both Israel and the Palestianians, but as one who's fallen into that trap before I will simply say this; if I'm an old-school Jordanian from before 1948 reading this thread, I'm laughing so hard hooka water is coming out of my nose.

Originally posted by Witness2008
Who's to say Jews have the right to any territory?

God

Originally posted by Witness2008
And by the way Muslims and Hebrews along with Christians worship the same male God.....all born out of the fables of Abraham.

You have been misinformed. Christians worship Christ. He rose from the dead. See www.garyhabermas.com for the facts on Christ resurrection.

Originally posted by Witness2008
Circumstances allow people to live and chose...not God.

Choices allow people to live and chose.

All this debate over land!! who owns what anyway. You can't take land with you when you die!! Instead of all this religious stuff people throw at each other, have a look at reality. Religion, any religion, is nothing more than a myth and people throughout history have clung to it. let's start looking after our earth and its people without trying to lay claim to any land

I appreciate your reasoning. If it's the same God running both scams what leg do they have to stand on?

Historically Islam was modelled after Judaism. Mohammed himself tried to expand Jewish monotheism to Arabic tribes, but the Medina Jews were not interested - after a while they stopped cooperating. That is when he realised he should start his own franchise. Revelations came - and the rest is history. Nevertheless, his followers did come up with a lot of good stuff (I prefer Sufism myself).
He saw Christianity as corrupt, although Jesus was a prophet to him.

I am not writing this to say this or that side is better, just as a historical background to the OP: Islam came from the same godconcept indeed as Judaism.
There is philosophy in it too - all those platonists as well as the Jewish thinkers of the age were thinking about the final unity of everything - and there just cannot be two final unities by definition... or neither would be final.

What that source is claimed to have said to them about property rights through their respective godconcepts... is vastly different though.

It could have been an imposter though. Think Enki...

Originally posted by resonance
so here is my question..the so called "Palestinians" want Israel's land..now..the Muslims say they worship the same God (which they most certainly do not)..in the bible God makes a promise that once Israel is returned to the land they will inherit it forever..since they let their state religion dominate so many aspects of their lives, why would they not know that their God (who they claim is the same God of the Jews) gave them that land and just step aside..

They want it because they were there first?? If some of you guys knew some history you wouldn't ask such silly questions. FYI the white people who currently call themselves the Israelis are not, I repeat NOT the descendants of the ancient Hebrews. The vast majority of them are of Croatian and Russian descent. Thier ancestors converted to Judaism many centuries ago and it was they who were the target of Hitler's anti-Semitism.

The original Hebrews were the people who wrote the Torah and reputedly wandered the desert with the Ark Of The Covenant and all of that other stuff. After killing all of the original inhabitants of the area around Jeruselem, they established a nation and enjoyed a brief but turbulent period as a major power in the region. Eventually, however, their God abandoned them and they fell into a prolonged period of bondage as, one after another, they were conquered by whatever nation happened to have the toughest army at the time. Eventually they were occupied by the Roman Army, the most awesome fighting force that the ancient world had ever seen. This was the period that Jesus is reputed to have traipsed about, healing people and spreading a radical take on Judaism.

These were not happy times for the once proud nation of israel. They had been in captivity for hundreds of years by the time the Romans marched in. Many of the more educated and affluent Jews were openly abandoning their affiliation with the temple in exchange for the many privilages of Roman citizenship. The Jewish Fundy's were complaining about the lack of the promised Messiah and advocating open revolt. And the Hebrew priesthood was trying to walk the thin line between preserving their traditions and placating their Roman masters. The Hebrews' collective story ends badly. The Fundy's succeed in rallying a revolt against the imperial forces which results in the sacking of jeruselem and the total destruction of the Holy Temple by the Roman soldiers.

Many of the original Hebrews fled to distant places, but many more had nowhere else to go and remained in their homeland to suffer still more occupations until the British finally came to be the new landlords of what's left of Israel. By this time the majority of remnants of the Hebrew people were believers of Islam and their numbers were mixed in with representatives from every Arab nation on earth. As bad as things were for the original Hebrews at that time they were about to get a whole lot worse. The Nazi Genocide had resulted in a huge number of Croatian Newbie-Jewbie refugees. The end of WW2 saw a boatlaod of them steaming around the Atlantic in search of a new homeland, only Anti-Semitism being pretty prevalent back then, even in the Allied countries, nobody really wanted to have to assimilate their numbers.

So Britain hit upon the insane idea of turning over the Holy Land to these folks who are essentially Hebrew posers. (Boy am I going to get slammed for this, but it's the truth!) It wasn't long after the New Jews took possession of their kingdom that they began to run the folks that we now call the Palestinians out-of-town. They seized their businesses. They stole their homes. They murdered innocent people in order to take what they had. Today the Israeli government is the only government on the planet that can sustain a policy of Aparthied without fear of condemnation.

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I agree. You'd have thought that they would have learned by now. The persecution of the jews was a dreadful chapter in human history, but now they're persecuting another people. It's high time they had a change of attitude.