why do "palestinians" say they have a right to israel's land, page 2
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reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 12:54 PM by Witness2008
reply to post by resonance



We can twist and turn biblical and historical rhetoric for an eternity and never know any truth other than people are killing and torturing one another over unproven bed time stories.

Jews are using their beliefs to sustain the madness, and Palestinians are sacrificing their lives and killing others out of breathtaking desperation.


reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 01:02 PM by calcoastseeker
I think maybe because it was a place named Palestine before all the European Jews showed up.

Consider this.



The Israeli amateur researcher Tsvi Misinai asserts that nearly 90% of all Palestinians living within Israel and the occupied territories (including the Israeli Arabs and Negev Bedouin) are descended from the Jewish peasantry that remained on the land after the others mostly (city dwellers) left or were exiled.

Meanwhile, much of the local Palestinian population in Nablus is believed to be descended from Samaritans (an Israelite sect) converted to Islam.Even today, certain Nabulsi surnames including Muslimani, Yaish, and Shakshir among others, are associated with a Samaritan origin.




Indeed, David Ben-Gurion and Yitzhak Ben Zvi, later becoming Israel's first and second Prime Minister respectively, wrote in 1918 that Palestinian peasants and their mode of life were living historical testimonies to Israelite practices in the biblical period.

Ben Gurion further stating: "The greater majority and main structures of the Muslim Falahin in Western Erez Israel [modern Israel, West Bank, and Gaza Strip] present to us one racial strand and a whole ethnic unit, and there is no doubt that much Jewish blood flows in their veins -- the blood of those Jewish farmers, "lay persons," who chose in the travesty of times to abandon their faith in order to remain on their land.



Tsvi Misinai claims that the majority of the Palestinian people — including those with Israeli citizenship or residency, known variously as Arab citizens of Israel, Arab Israelis, Israeli Arabs, including the Bedouin Arabs of Israel — are descendants of the ancient Hebrews, as most of the world's Jewish ethnic divisions are. Furthermore, he claims that at least half of them are quietly aware of this fact.


And finally.



A study in October 2000 showed the majority of Palestinians tested were found to have DNA of that of Jews.

The conclusion of the DNA results is as follows:According to historical records part, or perhaps the majority, of the Moslem Arabs in this country descended from local inhabitants, mainly Christians and Jews, who had converted after the Islamic conquest in the seventh century AD (Shaban 1971; Mc Graw Donner 1981).

These local inhabitants, in turn, were descendants of the core population that had lived in the area for several centuries, some even since prehistorical times (Gil 1992).

On the other hand, the ancestors of the great majority of present-day Jews lived outside this region for almost two millennia.

Thus, our findings are in good agreement with historical evidence and suggest genetic continuity in both populations despite their long separation and the wide geographic dispersal of Jews.


The Palestinians have more Israelite blood in their DNA than the European Jews who control the land.


reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 01:08 PM by siahchi
Originally posted by octotom
reply to
post by resonance




It makes sense that the Palestinians cause a ruckus over this land. After all, the Palestinians are descendants of Edom; and the Edomites always were at odds with the Israelites. This struggle over the land is just one way that it is being manifested in modern times. Edom has been a thorn in his brother's side and it will be that way until Messiah comes.


Actually, Most modern Palestinians are descendants of Canaanites. Your calling them Edomites is a desperate attempt to give credability to the isreali myth that there are no Palestinians, only Jordanians. Palestinians and Jordanians don't even like each other, akin to Chinese Japanese tensions because Jordanians have always tried to kowtow to isreal to avoid war in Jordan. The Palestinians see them as cowards for this and the Jordanians see Palestinians as troublemakers.


reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 01:30 PM by resonance
reply to post by Demetre



the jews have not tried to wipe the "palestinians" off the face of the earth..it is the other way around..the jews are attacked every day and are very patient in their responses...america would never be as patient as they are..

its sad that people try to act like the israelites are the bad guys here when they take way more than they dish out..if america was treated like israel is by the countries of the world we would retaliate..as we have


reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 01:38 PM by siahchi
reply to post by resonance



As for your biblical claim:

Scholars disagree as to whether the archaeological evidence supports the biblical story of there having been a Kingdom of Israel of the United Monarchy that reigned from Jerusalem, as the archaeological evidence is both rare and disputed.[22][23] For those who do interpret the archaeological evidence positively in this regard, it is thought to have ruled some time during Iron Age I (1200 - 1000 BCE) over an area approximating modern-day Israel and the Palestinian territories, extending farther westward and northward to cover much (but not all) of the greater Land of Israel.[22][23]

According to textual critics, a number of distinct source texts were spliced together to produce the current books of Samuel. The most prominent in the early parts of the first book are the pro-monarchical source and the anti-monarchical source. In identifying these two sources, two separate accounts can be reconstructed. The anti-monarchical source describes Samuel (thought by a number of scholars to be a cipher for God himself) to have thoroughly routed the Philistines, yet begrudgingly accepting that the people demanded a ruler, and thus appointing Saul by cleromancy. The pro-monarchical source describes the divine birth of Saul (a single word being changed by a later editor so that it referred to Samuel instead), and his later leading of an army to victory over the Ammonites, which resulted in the people clamouring for him to lead them against the Philistines, whereupon he is appointed king.[3]

According to Israel Finkelstein and Neil Silberman, authors of The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts[2], the idea of a United Monarchy is not accurate history but rather "creative expressions of a powerful religious reform movement," possibly "based on certain historical kernels." Although in a later book Finkelstein and Silberman do accept that David and Solomon were real kings of Judah about the 10th century BCE[4], they cite that the earliest independent reference to the Kingdom of Israel is about 890 BC, while for that of Judah is about 750 BC.

About the only claim isreal has on the region comes from the bible, and as the above article clearly shows even this claim is weak.
BTW the source article was written by Isrealis!


reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 01:44 PM by defcon5
reply to post by siahchi



Funny how the Romans seem to have some records of them ruling that area before the Roman Occupation. Its also funny that the Governors such as Harrod were Jews, and allowed to continue their administration over the area even during the Roman Occupation. Of course I am sure that sources like Flavius Josephus are all BS too, right?


reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 01:48 PM by resonance
reply to post by siahchi



you have faulty information there is plenty of historical text placing the jews in that land as well as archaeological evidence..


reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 02:11 PM by Witness2008
reply to post by JIMC5499



I'm unsure why your money would be on Israel considering they are surrounded by Arabs and Muslims that care not for their own lives as much as expelling the Jews from their vicinity.....unless you are thinking more along the lines of Israel unleashing their nuclear capabilities.

Israel wouldn't be worth spit if they used the WMD they are denying anyone else in the region from having.

The years of empty threats and reneged deals by Israel has left a bad taste in the mouths of allies and I do not see any super powers involving themselves.
Just consider what the lineup would consist of.



reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 02:30 PM by mrmonsoon
Originally posted by shrike071
Originally posted by resonance
so here is my question..the so called "Palestinians" want Israel's land..


The land that the Palestinians want is the land that was rightfully theirs as set forth in Resolution 181 by the U.N. in 1947. Ever since then, Israel has been invading and stealing land that they have no legal right to.

Check out
this map for a visual explanation


Of course what you mean is that Israel's neighbors have tried several times in bands of 2-5 countries to kill every man, woman and child in Israel.

They just fail badly at it.

As for Gaza, it was part of Egypt.
In 1967, when Egypt put a million men, all their tanks and planes all facing Israel and Jordan did the same.
They said the sand would run red with Israeli blood.

then, Israel could see the muslims were going to attack and attacked just before the muslims did.
They caught them with their pants down.
The sands ran red with Egyptian and Jordanian blood.

Anyways, Israel then moved out to face the Egyptian army.
They ran the Egyptian army out of Gaza, much less other land.

After the war, Israel allowed all Gaza's to go into Egypt, but Egypt refused to take them, same with Jordan-the two countries that caused this.

Anyways, these same people think they should get all of Israel and all of Jerusalem as their capital.
They have clearly spent too much time in the desert sun.

[edit on 11/9/2009 by mrmonsoon]


reply posted on 9-11-2009 @ 02:51 PM by BlesUTP
reply to post by defcon5



Yes, Flavius Josephus is a known fraud as is his historical account of Jesus. Arrius Piso was his real name.

Just like the pomegranate staff head and the Jehoash Tablet were both found to be fraudulent by Israels own antiquities department.

Just becuase ruins are found on Palestinian land doesnt mean that jews built them. In fact it is well known that the Jews built upon Sumerian and Egyptian beliefs to create their own cultural identity. See the work done by Shlomo Sand ... or is he a self hating jew too?

Before the Crusdaes, Judaism was known to have celebrated 2 different western walls, neither of which were Solomons Temple. The present day temple mount is the ruins of a Roman garrison and most Israeli historians believe Solomons true temple to be at Gihon Spring.

The Hyksos, not the Jews, with their leader Moses (Akhenaten) were driven from Egypt. Archaelogical evidence supports these claims as well.

The Talmud even tells us that Jews can decieve and lie and murder us non-Jews. why would an all loving, chosen people who are the constant victim of aggression write such a thing?

hope i helped you Hasbara earn a couple extra pennies

[edit on 9-11-2009 by BlesUTP]
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