I agree completely!!!!

It's just like those so called "Native Americans" thinking they have some sort of right to our American land.

Our Forefathers gave it to us in a sacred document, it's ours.





-I am so terribly offended by the bigotry in this thread, it's sickening.

Originally posted by mattpryor
the Jews later stole, which isn't the case.

Well, they did.

Secondly, the prophecy states that the Jews will return to their land once God has given the sign - which he hasn't.

Judea was the name of the region under the Roman occupation - not Israel. In fact, historians are still unsure whether the Kingdom of Israel did indeed exist (only the Bible mentions it) - which isn't a very good historical document.

Originally posted by Rhetoric
-I am so terribly offended by the bigotry in this thread, it's sickening.

Just thought I'd echo this sentiment.

I was hoping for a decent debate, but unfortunately, the first post was clearly by a bigot with an intended purpose.

Nothing to see here.
Just another thread clearly displaying how the tortured becomes the torturer.

Very sad indeed.

Actually they don't have a claim to Israel. In Surah 5:20-5:21, thereabouts, Muhammed himself proclaimed that that "land of Israel" is for Musa (Moses) and HIS people.....so, any claim by the Islamic Nations is purely unrelated to religion and all about politics.

Kinda peculiar that with all their zeal, and the way FOLLOW the Qur'an, they would recognize this statement and leave Israel to the Jews...but naaaaah they'll just take what they want from their book and ignore the rest...not unlike most other peoples of faith.

Originally posted by mattpryor
I think there's a psychological phenomenon at work here, guilt transference perhaps?

Oh grow up.
This has nothing to do with European colonialism, so untwist your knickers before your eyes water...

I've read your other warped posts before on ATS (you justified discrimination/violence against Christians in Israel in a previous post). You seem to have a sugar-coated view of Israel - completely crass and denial of certain human rights violations. The Palestinians are not perfect neither - Gaza would have better standards without the extreme ideology of Hamas. Terrorism did not help their cause either, probably halted a two state solution in the 1980s

The main problem is the evangelic Christians in America and Islamic fundamentalists in Iran, who are providing financing to the extreme faction in both sides. These individuals need to disappear from the Earth or develop a cheerful outlook on life, without financing extremism.

Lesson learned from the crusades: Leave the Middle East to itself. If both sides want to fight over fictional characters and pseudo-history - do it without dragging the rest of the world into the blood bath.

P.S You're on ignore now

[edit on 10-11-2009 by infinite]

As far as I know, that territory (Palestine and Israel) was known as Canaan.

After the Israelites left Egypt, they established in those territories and changed the name to Israel forming 12 tribes, but at that time, the Philistines was already there where the Gaza strip is today and Philistine was not part of the Israel's tribes.

Later on all these territories name was changed to Palestine including Philistine and Israel.

After WWII, many survival Jews came back to these territories again.

They declare their Independence, and the state of Israel was created as we know it (changing the Palestine name to Israel again in those areas where the 12 tribes where established in the past)...but here's the problem I think.

Israel has always thought that the Palestine territories (Philistine in the past) belongs to the Dan's tribe (one of the 12 tribes of Israel) but remember.... at that time, the Philistines was already there so the Dan tribe had to be established at the North and not at the Gaza strip, so Israel has (and always will) interest for these lands.

And Palestinians as descendants of the Philistines, will always fight for their lands as they've always do.

IMHO, Israel should be where it is, and give up the idea to take the Gaza Strip, I think is better to make peace and maybe...some day, make a treatment so the Israelites and Palestine could live and travel freely thought these territories and believe what they want to without hurting each other.

they has a history in common (Rome, British, etc) and the have been together for so long and they have been through many things together...if they unite and respect their boundaries, I bet they'd be a superpower culturally, religiously and economically...and that's the major fear of all these Islamic countries leaders.... remember....divide and conquer.

Peace




Peace

This is all such garbage. Judaism was extant in Palestine well before islam. Nobody gave anybody "Palestinian" land. It was bought and paid for from arab landowners. Israel took no land by force until 1948 when it was attacked. It has kicked butt everytime and that really pisses the muslim world off. If allah is on your side why does a tiny country with a miniscule military kick arab ass everytime it fights them? The primary goal of "Palestinian" political groups is the destruction of Israel then the establishment of another poor muslim state.