Number of victims to unknown virus growing! State of emergency to be imposed in Ukraine?

Here in Moldova all schools and Universities have been closed for one week.

We have only 65 cases of H1N1 confirmed.

Whats the situation then? Been out all day.

Anyone can sumarise ? I.e death tolls and any big news.

The Health Minister of Poland was censored on national TV (blocked for 15 minutes) for saying things against the H1N1 vaccine and against the pharmaceutical companies. I think that's probably the biggest news.

I think the official death toll is around 100.

I also put together a conspiracy possibility.... concerning the possibility that this is bigger than just a pandemic, but quite possibly the false flag people were talking about for months....it's a few pages back.

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Originally posted by nikiano
The Health Minister of Poland was censored on national TV (blocked for 15 minutes) for saying things against the H1N1 vaccine and against the pharmaceutical companies. I think that's probably the biggest news.

This is the biggest news in my opinion.
Great that someone is speaking out -

One of my friend's friend was in Ukraine and he stated that what is spreading and killing the people in Ukraine is mostly seasonal flu.


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I have been watching BBC news24 for an hour but nothing further on Ukraine-which seems odd.

The report that the WHO states that there is no evidence ofa mutation conflicts with this;

businessneweurope.eu...


My Oh in Ukraine is talking to me on skype-she has confirmed that there is now 10 areas under Quarrantine.

Russian news media are reporting of very similar actions in South of Russia in the Chita region-theres quarrantine and Police are fining those people who do not use face masks.
Chita is close to China border where its reported from China that a Russian man has died there and its confirmed as swine flu.


edit-sorry forgot link to Russian story;

www.themoscowtimes.com...

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You know, I just thought of something:

Does anyone know if there has been any mention of this on radio shows, such as Coast to Coast, NPR, or any of the "talk radio" shows?

I was actually very surprised that the web bot guy, Cliff High, did not mention anything at all about the current events in Ukraine and the October 25th announcement of a Swine Flu Pandemic when he was on the radio show the other night, since this date closely coincided with their prediction of something major being kicked off on October 25th.

Is the internet the ONLY place they are talking about this, or have they also been talking about it on the radio, too?

I guess it makes sense....the FCC controls the radio waves as well as the television and the print media.





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There is talk (radio)..........pointing that all of this is to push people to get the vaccine......

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Originally posted by Cloudsinthesky

all of this is to push people to get the vaccine......

Latest news from Norway is that the Tamiflu medicine is about to expire. They've now made the unusual step of extending the expire date by two years, to be able to continue selling the "old" Tamiflu they currently have on stock.



edit to add link to Norwegian article. maybe you can run it through Google translate or something. Norwegian readers can at least read it. Here: Tamiflu-medisinen i ferd med å gå ut på dato

edit2 to add: Tamiflu-medication about to expire (Google translated (Norwegian -> English)

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Ok, check this out. I have a co-worker who's father was in the Ukrane about 6 weeks ago. He came home (lives in Oregon, USA) and said he wasn't feeling very well. Not sick, just not right. He has some chronic back issues and was put on prednisone two weeks ago. A week after that, he comes down with what he thought was just the flu. It progressed very quickly and went to the ER. Well, now he's in the hospital with severe respiratory problems and is on a ventilator exhibiting hemorrhagic symptoms. The hospital tested for both H1N1 and TB and both test came back negative. They don't know what it is and his condition is deteriorating very quickly since admission.

Does this have any correlation? Maybe, maybe not. The coincidentals here are just too big to ignore though.

If I get more details, I'll be sure to post.

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If it is related, that is quite a long incubation period for a virus. Also, if it is the same thing, then people should have an eye towards Oregon as "ground zero" in the states.

The Health Minister of Poland is censored on national TV for daring to question the WHO?

Holy sh**.

No, no conspiracy here, folks.

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This is why I pretty much throw out anything the WHO reports, and follow reports such as this one, or ones coming from people who aren't on the inside with some hidden agenda. Wonder what has happened to Sr. Teresa Forcades.

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That makes me proud to be Polish!

Niech żyje Polska!!!!!

Originally posted by Finalized
reply to post by surfinguru

 

If it is related, that is quite a long incubation period for a virus. Also, if it is the same thing, then people should have an eye towards Oregon as "ground zero" in the states.

Totally agree, which is why I questioned if it had any correlation. But damn, the guy was in the Ukraine less than 2 months ago and now is presenting the same symptoms being reported there. The fact that the hospital even tested for H1N1, and TB, and both came back negative is really disconcerting.

Originally posted by surfinguru

Originally posted by Finalized
reply to post by surfinguru

 

If it is related, that is quite a long incubation period for a virus. Also, if it is the same thing, then people should have an eye towards Oregon as "ground zero" in the states.

Totally agree, which is why I questioned if it had any correlation. But damn, the guy was in the Ukraine less than 2 months ago and now is presenting the same symptoms being reported there. The fact that the hospital even tested for H1N1, and TB, and both came back negative is really disconcerting.

That is VERY strange, especially considering the hemorrhagic symptoms. Please keep us updated.

Originally posted by Hellmutt
reply to post by JustMike

 

Here is a map over the radiation from Chernobyl.

maps.grida.no...


The area of the flu outbreak was not the worst hit by radiation.

I think you would also have to account for migration from hot zones into safer areas?

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I'm quarter Polish so guess I should be proud too

Originally posted by surfinguru
Ok, check this out. I have a co-worker who's father was in the Ukrane about 6 weeks ago. He came home (lives in Oregon, USA) and said he wasn't feeling very well. Not sick, just not right. He has some chronic back issues and was put on prednisone two weeks ago. A week after that, he comes down with what he thought was just the flu. It progressed very quickly and went to the ER. Well, now he's in the hospital with severe respiratory problems and is on a ventilator exhibiting hemorrhagic symptoms. The hospital tested for both H1N1 and TB and both test came back negative. They don't know what it is and his condition is deteriorating very quickly since admission.

Does this have any correlation? Maybe, maybe not. The coincidentals here are just too big to ignore though.

If I get more details, I'll be sure to post.

Whoa! This jumps the "scary level" for me.... from 7 up 9 on a scale of 1-10! Watch out SHEEPLE!

The thing is, here in Poland, Ewa Kopacz won't be able to resist for too long. The media keep talking how other countries, especially the USA, bought the vaccine and people get it, while we didn't. Just like if it was an argument - others got it, so we have to get it too! Other ministers and so called specialists are also criticizing the Polish ministry for this. The sad thing is, most people trust the media, even if the government is right...

The European Agency resposible for medicine (I can't recall its name) also criticized Ewa Kopacz for all she said - all tests were performed, the vaccine is perfectly safe and she is just a populist

[edit on 5/11/2009 by relu84]

So, with all the controversy on this thread surrounding the validity of the data from the WHO and the controversey about Big Pharma's involvement, and illegal contracts, I decided to do some research.

Now, here in the states, I know that Big Pharma funds just about every kind of medical education you can find...medical schools, pharmacy schools, nursing schools, continuing education. They're all funded by Big Pharma.

(Which is why I refuse to go to continuing education seminars and dinners anymore, and quit my job as Education Program Manager for a pharmacy association....but that's another story....)

So, I figured, knowing Big Pharma's history here in the US, my guess is that they also fund the WHO....which would make sense of why WHO is making everything sound like H1N1 and pushing for the vaccine.

So, first, I did a quick google on the WHO:

I went to wikipedia, and I found this:

The WHO is financed by contributions from member states and from donors. In recent years, the WHO's work has involved more collaboration; there are currently around 80 such partnerships with NGOs and the pharmaceutical industry, as well as with foundations such as the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the Rockefeller Foundation. Voluntary contributions to the WHO from national and local governments, foundations and NGOs, other UN organizations, and the private sector, now exceed that of assessed contributions (dues) from the 193 member nations. [14]PDF (30.1 KB)

Then, I went to the partnerships section, and lo and behold, take a look at all the partnerships with vaccine initiatives. Who do you think funds the vaccine initiatives?

Private sector partnerships
Aeras: Aeras Global TB Vaccine Foundation
DNDi: Drugs for Neglected Diseases Initiative
FIND: Foundation for Innovative New Diagnostics
IASP: International Association for Suicide Prevention
IAVI: International AIDS Vaccine Initiative
IOWH: Institute for One World Health
IPM: International Partnership for Microbicides
MMV: Medicines for Malaria Venture
MVI: Malaria Vaccine Initiative
PATH: Program for Appropriate Technology in Health
PDVI: Pediatric Dengue Vaccine Initiative
TB Alliance: Global Alliance for TB Drug Development
GAVI Alliance: Global alliance for vaccines
This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.

And that's an incomplete list. And that's a very, very, very rudimentary study of who funds the WHO.

Follow the money.

The WHO is partially (mostly?) funded by the drug manufacturers. Just like the FDA. Which is why we can't trust either group anymore.

I stopped trusting the FDA and the CDC a long time ago. I can now add the WHO to my list of entities that can not be trusted.






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