Number of victims to unknown virus growing! State of emergency to be imposed in Ukraine?

Originally posted by ahemot
Polish Health Minister cut off after accusing WHO of spreading disinformation in Ukraine
November 5, 2009
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TV transmission of a live parliamentary debate in Poland was cut off for fifteen minutes today after the Polish Health Minister Ewa Kopacz said that WHO was spreading disinformation in the Ukraine concerning the „swine flu“ pandemic.

Kopacz has come under fierce criticism from some quarters after she said she will resist pressure to press ahead with the mass vaccination of the population with untested swine flu jabs that could cause damage and death to more people than the swine flu.

The unexpected interruption of the TV and website transmission of the debate in parliament will fuel fears that portions of the Polish media and government allied to big pharma and banks are censoring critics of WHO and of the toxic and untested swine flu jabs.

The Polish Health Minister was cut off in the middle of answering questions on the „swine flu“ jab and footage of French President Nicholas Sarkozy was shown, it is reported.

Kopacz has been celebrated as a „hero“ by the general public for her stance in putting the health of the general public before the profits of big pharma and WHO.

Wow...great find!

The Health Minister of Poland is censored on national TV for daring to question the WHO?

Holy sh**.

No, no conspiracy here, folks.

[edit on 5-11-2009 by nikiano]

Originally posted by ecoparity
reply to post by nikiano

 

If 15 of the samples all show H1N1 the others will as well. The purpose isn't to test all the samples, they grab a certain number randomly. That's within the scientific method. If the work ups on 15 of them all match then the existence of a mutation or not will definitely show up. Even Dr Niman has no issue with the testing method (and he's been the frontman on exposing the WHO and making sure accurate data gets out there).

You seem to be clutching at straws here. I am sure with only 31 samples to work with, and an infected population of over 400,000 they would have tested every sample.

The presence of H1N1 does not discount an additional viral or infectious disease as being the cause of death. It simply adds additional evidence to say that they is an outbreak of H1N1 in Ukraine - which I don't think anyone has seriously contested.

The question does remain - did anything else appear in the testing of either those samples, or the remaining samples.

To simplify - the occurrence of H1N1 in a sample, does not preclude another virus coexisting, and those samples not accounted for may have no H1N1, and they may possibly contain some other viral or infectious material.

The WHO will only publish that data that serves the4 interests of the globalists.

After all - with a level 6 pandemic declared worldwide - the WHO is now the planetary government - it makes all the rules - and it answers to no-one.

Originally posted by waterdoctor
In looking at the information on the number of samples sent and reported at this point, without doing a statistical validity test for the number of samples reported, I think that the sample set is way to small to generate compelling conclusions at this point. Only if the dominant strain of the virus were to have a mutation would it be found in the samples reported at this time unless by just dumb luck. If there is a mutation reported in any of the samples then we have a big problem.

I at this point am trying to figure out if all the missteps are a result of a well thought out, well carried out plan that has hundreds of really smart people involved or this is just a case of complete and total dogs breakfast by a large number of incompetent people. I am sorry to say that I am leaning towards the dogs breakfast.

Even after all the discussion we really don't know how many were actually used for analysis. The article that information came from did not specify anything other than the detection of H1N1 in 15 of the samples. It did not say anything about how many were prepared for sequencing and so on.

In the end it doesn't matter, if people do not believe we will get accurate data between the WHO and the research community the number of samples makes no difference.

Originally posted by ecoparity


Even after all the discussion we really don't know how many were actually used for analysis. The article that information came from did not specify anything other than the detection of H1N1 in 15 of the samples. It did not say anything about how many were prepared for sequencing and so on.

These numbers have both been reported on this thread before:

www.kyivpost.com...

Update: more death, illness
Today at 14:10 | (Wire reports)
Ukraine’s Health Ministry on Nov. 5 said the death toll of patients with flu-related and acute respiratory illnesses (ARI) had jumped to 95.

Deputy Health Minister Zinoviy Mytnik said told journalists during a press briefing that a total of 633, 877 cases of flu-related and ARI have been registered from Oct. 29 through Nov. 5.

Mytnik said 15 of 31 patient samples sent to London for laboratory analysis tested positive for the H1N1, or swine flu, virus.

Meanwhile, over 600 medical workers in Kyiv have fallen sick with the flue and acute respiratory illnesses, according to Kyiv deputy Mayor Iryna Kilchitskaya, who on Nov. 5 told a daily Kyiv newspaper that 200 of the afflicted are doctors.

In a related story, Ihor Pokanevych, head of the WHO office in Kyiv, told Deutsche Welle on Nov. 5 that in Ukraine, as in the rest of the world, there will be three waves of the swine flu virus: the first – which Ukraine is experiencing now, the second – in the spring, and the third – during the autumn of 2010.

Pokanevych noted that the current pandemic is complicated to sort out because it involves three strains of flu virus: two seasonal strains [of the Brisbane] flu and the swine flu, which as a result could lead the virus to mutate into a still more virulent, new virus.

AND...

London lab confirms 15 swine flu cases in Ukraine, says health ministry

KYIV, November 5 /UKRINFORM/. A British laboratory has confirmed 15 cases of the A/H1N1 flu virus in Ukraine, Deputy Health Minister Zinoviy Mytnyk has said.

"We've received 15 positive results out of the 34 samples, which we sent to London mainly from [Ukraine's] western regions," he said.

Mytnyk declined to say who of the 15 people diagnosed with swine flu had died, recovered, or is undergoing medical treatment.

The Health Ministry reported

Source:

www.ukrinform.ua...




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Ms Ewa Kopacz, the Polish Minister of Health recieved an "Excellence Award" from the European Healthcare Fraud and Corruption Network.

www.reuters.com...

alertnet.org...

"I don't understand why we are all so worried about a rare flu that has a much more gentle course than the regular one. I don't understand why people do not take vaccines for seasonal flu," she told a Polish television channel.

[edit on 2009/11/5 by Aeons]

Clarification on the article which claims a local WHO official said the virus is a mutated one formed from three strains:

The original article it links to does not say that at all. The quote is the same one made by the President we saw previously. The other article seems to have mistakenly applied the quote to the local WHO office head:

Duetcshe Welle Article

Call the President

Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko appealed to the people before in connection with the epidemic. He appealed to the Ukrainian vaccination. Speaking of the features of the epidemic, said of that in Ukraine, both agreed three pathogens: two seasonal influenza and "California." This combination of infections due to mutation, can give even more aggressive, a new virus - said the president. He also made the request to the government - to immediately cancel the existing order of registration of vaccines.

This is why I'm hesitant to believe the news updates posted from the Ukranian and regional news sources. We've had quite a few issues like this where articles quote each other but change content in between, probably due to translation issues. We've also had issues with the words chosen by the translation software...

So, it looks like no early leak of mutation. The wait continues.....

That is the use of a quarantine if people are boarding planes?

reply to post by nikiano


Right, the number of samples isn't the issue. What it doesn't say is how many of those ended up being sequenced for genetic analysis.

We don/t even know if the samples in the articles are the ones taken for genetic analysis or if they are merely being typed to determine which virus is in them.

There's no point in debating if they sampled enough because so far we don't actually know how many were sequenced. Hopefully that detail will be included in the published report.

[edit on 5-11-2009 by ecoparity]

UPDATE on Polish Health Minister

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The Polish Health Minister Eva Kopacz today told Parliament during a heated debate on the swine flu vaccination that she, as a qualified family doctor with more than 20 year of experience, will not authorise the use of untested vaccines on millions of people in Poland when there is inadequate information about the safety of the jabs.

She said the secret contract that the Polish government was supposed to sign with pharmaceutical companies had more than 20 clauses which are against the law.

Kopacz noted that governments in Western Europe had signed secret agreements with pharmaceutical companies, but suggested that the prosperity of the people of Poland was more important to her than the profits of Big Pharma.

She noted that there are three vaccines proposed for Poland with different types of adjuvants and was concerned that these vaccines were all being treated as if they were the same.

In addition, she observed that only 13 % of the people in Germany want to take the swine flu jab even though 5 times more people in Germany take the regular flu shot than in Poland, and asked why the Germans are so unwilling to take the jab.

She said there was secrecy surrounding the contents of the vaccines. There is no information about the amount of adjuvants in the vaccinesm, she added.

Furthermore, the family doctor and Health Minister said there is absolutely no information about the side effects of the swine flu jab. The pharmaceutical companies did not want to take responsibilty for the jab.

Also, she said that trials for the swine flu jab were being conducted on a relatively small number of healthy people and that these were not adequate for her to recommend the jab.

Moreover, Kopacz said that the regular flu was much more common and dangerous than the swine flu - and yet no pandemic had been declared over the seasonal flu.

Why is there such a panic about the swine flu virus? She asked.

Kopacz said that the Polish people can tell the difference between objective facts and the truth and lies.

She noted that all 193 people who allegedly had the swine flu in Poland had survived.

Finally, she called on the people of Poland to show their support for her as she comes under growing pressure from the pushers of the "swine flu" jab to give the people the dangerous and untested jab.

Interesting! Poland isn't exactly a place to champion vaccine toxicity apparently.

Homeless people die after bird flu vaccine trial in Poland (2008)

Originally posted by ecoparity
reply to post by nikiano

 

The number of samples isn't the issue. What it doesn't say is how many of those ended up being sequenced for genetic analysis.

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That was my point. The report should have said:

-15 positive for H1N1
-XX amount destroyed, unusable, not able to be tested or something to that effect.

The other samples should have been accounted for in some way, even if they were destroyed or unusable. Even "pending" lab reports will report how many samples were not able to be tested due to various problems.

We got half a report. We were not told what the results of the other samples were, nor were we told what happened to them.

By the way, what "final publication" are you referring to? A lab report is a lab report. Lab reports don't get edited and re-written for publication. (Unless they're falsified.) Once they're final, they're final, and they are just reported, as is. If that wasn't the final report, it would have said "pending" or "other samples pending." It didn't. Therefore, it was the final report.






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I'm still coming to grips with seeing all these government officials who are conspiracy theorists. For an American it's just wild. A cabinet member like that in the US would be on TV resigning if they said something like that.

Amazing....

I just have to say this:

Why the h@ll does it matter if it's 31 samples or 34? They are now stating that OVER 600,000 people have fallen ill, and they are only testing around 30 samples???? Only half of those 30 something are positive for H1N1?

This is some simple math and some common sense. How can you possilby take only 30 samples when you have over half a million people sick over a whole country of about 40 million, then when only half of those are positive with H1N1 conclude that EVERYONE must only have H1N1?

Is the general public really just that stupid and gullible? Are the officials just that plain stupid? I completely understand the idea behind grabing random samples to represent a whole....but those 30 something are NOT enough and the findings are NOT enough to claim anything at all, IMO.

Okay, I am done.

Originally posted by nikiano

Originally posted by ecoparity
reply to post by nikiano

 

Right, the number of samples isn't the issue. What it doesn't say is how many of those ended up being sequenced for genetic analysis.

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Right. My point exactly. The report should have said:

-15 positive for H1N1
-XX amount destroyed, unusable, not able to be tested or something to that effect.

Even "pending" lab reports will report how many samples were not able to be tested due to various problems.

We got half a report.

What "final publication" are you referring to? A lab report is a lab report. Lab reports don't get edited and re-written for publication. (Unless they're falsified.) Once they're final, they're final, and they are just reported, as is. If it wasn't the final report, it would have said "pending." It didn't. Therefore, it was the final report.







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You haven't gotten "half a report". The WHO hasn't released any report yet.

What you're talking about is from a news article. Until the WHO releases the genetic analysis we have "no report".

Originally posted by martin3030

Originally posted by ahemot
People on the streets in Kyiv talk that "swine flu" is being sprayed over Ukraine by NATO planes.
glavnoe.ua...

Comment: such rumours are of course totally meaningless and absurd. However, as I warned in one of my previous posts, Ukrainians may quickly turn against West, if western countries will not respond to this epidemic. Or maybe someone wants another Pakistan in the middle of Europe?

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Its absurd that people can think Nato would do this-I wonder where such rumours are likely to have originated from ?
My thoughts are that it begins with M and ends in W.

Comment: such rumours are of course totally meaningless and absurd.

Why?

If this was a biological attack, and planes were used - then it would be NATO forces - though they might use civilian planes - but no surprise if they didn't. Who the hell else would it be? The Russians? People need to do research and understand what is going on here.

Its absurd that people can think Nato would do this-I wonder where such rumours are likely to have originated from ?
My thoughts are that it begins with M and ends in W.

Absurd is to deny the thousands of pieces of evidence that link NATO, WHO, UN and IMF to the globalist controllers of the world - they want people to die. They also want to utterly control eastern europe. They have effectively used their loans to control Ukraine, installed a sympathetic govt - but still Ukraine has bucked against folding to IMF pressures. What about the pressure on Latvia, by the IMF through the Swedish banks - is that a novel approach? Or did the same thing happen to Greenland? Jamaica - Indonesia, Venezuela, Nigeria .. an on and on.

The globalists are totally responsible for Ukraines poor state of preparedness for this emergency - they surely knew it would occur, as they surely planned it. Their own puppet govt in the Ukraine has ensured it is in no state to defend against this outbreak.

They had limited time because their puppets were going to all get kicked out - and without a puppet in there when the SHTF - they were not going to bend over for the WHO, UN and EU.

Do people no know what this is all about? Do they not understand what is happening in a holistic sense?

I still hear people talking about 'waiting for MSM or WHO to report'. Seriously?

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Does the WHO release updates on any scheduled basis? Do delays in releasing these findings by WHO indicate possible "bad" outcome? Just curious.

Belarus bans Russian pork imports.

No direct mention of the situation in Ukraine but the timing of this looks like no coincedence.



www.themoscowtimes.com...

Originally posted by Aeons
Interesting! Poland isn't exactly a place to champion vaccine toxicity apparently.

Homeless people die after bird flu vaccine trial in Poland (2008)

I also found these articles a few days back about the Ukraine and why people are especially opposed to the vaccines this year - the first one from may 08 - the second article regarding the concern of government - and vaccine going to waste -

en.rian.ru...

World Over 90 hospitalized after measles vaccination in east Ukraine 12:4018/05/2008
KIEV, May 18 (RIA Novosti) -

A total of 92 people, including 87 children, were hospitalized in eastern Ukraine as of early Sunday after measles vaccination, Ukraine's emergencies ministry said. On May 13, a 17-year-old boy died after measles inoculation in the Donetsk Region. Two days later, over 60 people in eastern Ukraine were hospitalized after vaccination. A total of over 20,000 people in the region received the same vaccine. Ukraine's President Viktor Yushchenko said he was concerned over the teenager's death and demanded from the Ukrainian health ministry to take all measures to prevent such instances in the future. By now, measles immunization has been halted in Ukraine.

Vaccine scare threatens health in Ukraine Posted 3/25/2009 6:37 AM | Comments 15 |

* KIEV, Ukraine (AP) — A widespread scare about vaccine side effects in Ukraine has led to a sharp drop in immunizations that could result in disease outbreaks spreading beyond the former Soviet republic, international and local health officials say. Hundreds of thousands of fearful Ukrainians have refused vaccines for diseases such as diphtheria, mumps, polio, hepatitis B, tuberculosis, whooping cough and others this year, according to official estimates.

Authorities have canceled a U.N.-backed measles and rubella vaccination campaign funded by U.S. philanthropist Ted Turner, and will have to collect and incinerate nearly 9 million unused doses in coming months. "I never thought I'd see the day where perfectly good vaccines are being destroyed," said Michael Bociurkiw, a spokesman for UNICEF. Around the world, health officials say they are struggling with the repercussions of vaccine fears they call unwarranted and dangerous. In 2003, imams in northern Nigeria fomented a boycott of polio vaccinations claiming they were a Western plot to make Muslims infertile or infect them with HIV.


Authorities in Indonesia are discussing a plan to end childhood immunizations against a number of diseases out of fears that foreign drug companies are using the country as a testing ground. A budding movement of parents getting exemptions from pre-school vaccination laws is seen as partly responsible for a spike in U.S. measles cases. Experts blame the Ukrainian scare on government mismanagement and irresponsible media coverage of an anti-vaccination campaign launched after the May death of a 17-year-old boy who had received a combined shot for measles and rubella.

Activists including members of the homeopathic and alternative healing industries blamed his death on the vaccination. Ukrainian authorities said they needed to investigate and halted the campaign to revaccinate 9 million Ukrainians aged 16-29 for measles — a leading cause of childhood death — and rubella, which can cause serious birth defects.

www.usatoday.com...

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The Polish Health Minister Eva Kopacz today told Parliament during a heated debate on the swine flu vaccination that she, as a qualified family doctor with more than 20 year of experience, will not authorise the use of untested vaccines on millions of people in Poland when there is inadequate information about the safety of the jabs.

A politician that is a doctor has much more weight to their opinion on MEDICAL matters than one who just follows government mandates, and has zero health care experience. This person should be listened too.

It is also why when Ron Paul also a person who has medical experience warns us to be cautious about the vaccination, I take careful note as well.

96 Ukrainians died from flu

Chairwoman of the Committee of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine on Health issues Tatiana Bahteeva said at the session of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine that 96 people died from flu and its complications in Ukraine.

According to an UNIAN correspondent, in accordance with her words, among people, who died, there are 6 doctors, 7 pregnant women and 9 children.

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