Number of victims to unknown virus growing! State of emergency to be imposed in Ukraine?

I was talking to OH tonight in Ukraine -she is in central region I told her there was reported deaths in Kiev she said she had not heard-it was not being reported there.
She went on to look at a Ukrainian medical site-Link here;

www.business-politika.net...

When I told her about suggestions of old Soviet experimental biowarfare graves being uncovered she said she knew about these reports-I was a bit suprised.
I asked if she had heard of Baxter and she said no.
Her mother was diagnosed as not long to live in September-some problems with lungs she is walking skeleton-I told her to make sure she stays in apartment.
She says when did she ever listen to me ?
I think this probably sums up those who lived in Soviet times-they are resiliant and fight.
Shame really because this one takes no prisoners especially for those with health issues already.
I am very disappointed that it took Poland to take the initiative to ask the Eu for help-Ukraine for all its political problems has 40 million people who dont know where to turn-if the West will say that Father Russia should help-they should remember the Orange revolution that tried to voice against that.
In the midst of the flu crisis-Russia even suggests that Ukraine cannot pay its October Gas bill and tells the EU there could be problems ahead again with supplies?
Talk
about kicking somone when they are down
Shame on Putin.

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Originally posted by stevcolx
I emailed Sky News, BBC and ITN here in the UK demandng to know why this is not getting covered. So far no answers. Seems there is a media blackout regarding the Ukraine here in the UK. U can bet since they are all on the NWO's payroll nothing will be said till it's too late.

Just a theory but I think the media blackout is because they want this to run it's course.

Just my thoughts but the more I look at the bullsh*t news we are getting it points to what I think!!

My thoughts go out to the people of the Ukraine!!!

Yes I did the same on Monday-heard nothing but the Beeb did post after.
I am not sure theres a hidden agenda-the Brit media are not frightened to report-I just think they have not been alerted to it...and are more concerned at who will vote for Blair as EU president.

I've seen some theories that Chernobyl mutated the swine flu in Ukraine but I'm wondering what the long term health effects on people who live there are from the disaster?

Is it possible that people in Ukraine are reacting badly to the swine flu because of pre-existing health conditions resulting from radiation exposure?

Theories about Mexico City being so bad included the state of public health there and the health care system. I'm wondering if we might be looking at the same thing in Ukraine?

I'd have to look it up but is it possible the regions of Ukraine with all the infections are the same region the disaster and fallout took place in?

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Is it possible that people in Ukraine are reacting badly to the swine flu because of pre-existing health conditions resulting from radiation exposure?

I was catching up on the thread and the same thing crossed my mind,

Do the people of the Ukraine have compromised immune systems caused from something environmental?

Originally posted by ecoparity
I've seen some theories that Chernobyl mutated the swine flu in Ukraine but I'm wondering what the long term health effects on people who live there are from the disaster?

Is it possible that people in Ukraine are reacting badly to the swine flu because of pre-existing health conditions resulting from radiation exposure?

Theories about Mexico City being so bad included the state of public health there and the health care system. I'm wondering if we might be looking at the same thing in Ukraine?

I'd have to look it up but is it possible the regions of Ukraine with all the infections are the same region the disaster and fallout took place in?

The president of Ukraine finally made a public statement today www.president.gov.ua...

The conclusions of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, my numerous consultations with national and international experts show that. First. Unlike similar epidemics in other countries, three pathogens of viral infections came to Ukraine at the same time: two of them are seasonal flu and the third is the A/H1N1. According to virologists, such a combination of infections due to mutation may produce a new, even more aggressive virus. That's why I have addressed the United Nations with the request to conduct a virologic examination in Ukraine and to establish the appropriate laboratory in order to take timely preventive measures. Second. The A/H1N1 virus is easily mutating. It has travelled across half of the globe before coming to Ukraine. This means that the virus has become particularly pathogenic.

Considering the regions heavily effected with ARI (west) and Chernobyl's location (east), I doubt they have anything to do with each other.

Furthermore, the President of Ukraine basically says that virologists think the virus has mutated (without actually saying it), and they think it is due to the 3 forms of influenza that has hit their country (which is unlike most other countries, only being hit by h1n1 at this point).

Plus if the people were highly effected by the radiation, the virus would NOT need to mutate, because it would be more effective at propagating in the compromised immune systems.. And the fallout would have effected Ukraine's neighboring countries to the east as much or more than the Western areas, where the hemorrhagic outbreaks are focused. We dont see massive hemorrhagic outbreaks in the east, or their neighboring countries (yet), even though H1N1 infections are high, so I think it's safe to rule out radio-activity being the culprit for the mutation.


Oops, I didn't read your post correct Eco, you werent saying that the virus mutated, but that people were particularly vulnerable because of radiation.. Well my analysis is still the same, there should be more hemorragic outbreaks in the east, than west, if that was the case.

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Popular opinion is that the Prime minister doesn't know what he's talking about, especially in terms of the virus but thanks to all the translation issues I don't take any of it seriously until confirmed by trusted parties.

That's the point I was making, that the disaster might have compromised the people's immune systems or respiratory systems and the virus is not changed. There isn't enough radiation there to cause a mutation in the virus on that massive a scale. Not in the time period we're working with if ever.

So Chernobyl is in the Eastern region? Where did all the fallout end up?
I wouldn't think the actual site around the plant would be part of it as long as its still isolated. If the fallout ended up in the Western areas the people there might have long term health issues people living closer to the plant don't have. (If that makes sense)

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H1N1 has been mutating like a superhero for months. Virtually untracked because the southern hemisphere and the third world sent almost no samples for analysis over the last 5 months.

That being said, there are about 30 known mutations already.

The virus picked up its last set of foreign chromosones (recombination with another virus) last fall.

The only good part about this is that viruses tend toward becoming less lethal not more lethal. Killing your host is bad viral survival technique.

If it does end up that there's no mutation (which I kind of doubt, I think there has been one) the reason for the worse outbreak will probably be a combination of factors we will never work out.

We have a lot of theories why Mexico was so bad but not the US right after but none of them are considered "proven" and I don't know that they ever will be.

Maybe long term health problems + weather conditions + state of public health and healthcare?

It doesn't really matter in the end. Without enough ventilators and medication it could end up a tragedy that didn't have to happen. If we do have a serious lethality mutation then it won't be but part of a much bigger story soon.

Originally posted by Aeons
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H1N1 has been mutating like a superhero for months. Virtually untracked because the southern hemisphere and the third world sent almost no samples for analysis over the last 5 months.

That being said, there are about 30 known mutations already.

The virus picked up its last set of foreign chromosones (recombination with another virus) last fall.

The only good part about this is that viruses tend toward becoming less lethal not more lethal. Killing your host is bad viral survival technique.

There's an unreported scandal in that. Niman mentioned on the Rense show that several samples sent for testing were never released - no results and no genetic profiles for researchers. If true it might lead to a conspiracy involving the mutations leading up to now being "hidden".

There's a lot of stuff hanging around waiting for the WHO report...

The Contamination

From the radiological point of view, 131I and 137Cs are the most important radionuclides to consider because they were responsible for most of the radiation exposure received by the general population. The release of 137Cs is estimated to be 85 PBq, equal to about 30% of the amount in the reactor core, and that of 131I is estimated to be 1,760 PBq, about 50% of the core inventory.

The area affected was large because of the dispersion of small particles into the upper atmosphere and duration of the release. However, changes in wind direction and rainfall throughout the 10-day period resulted in an unevenly distributed significant deposition of radionuclides, mainly over Belarus, Ukraine, and a part of Russia. The doses outside the former Soviet Union were low, and varied depending upon whether rainfall occurred during the passage of the radioactive cloud.

People were exposed to both internal and external radiation. The major routes of human exposure to radiation were from ingestion of cow's milk contaminated with iodine-131 (resulting in internal exposure), contact with gamma/beta radiation from the radioactive cloud, and contact with cesium-137 deposited on the ground (resulting in external exposure).

www.eoearth.org...

The radioactive fallout affected 23% of Belarus, with 4,8% of Ukrainian territory and 0,5% of Russian land exposed. About 135,00 people were evacuated from a 30-km radius around the plant, with the peripheral areas remaining at a high risk of radioactive exposure.

www.ukrainianweb.com...

Eco, I have come to the conclusion that you will not entertain the idea that this has mutated until CNN tells you it has.

Their own president is basically SAYING it has mutated, he thinks it may have mutated before it even GOT to Ukraine, analysts from this country are saying it probably mutated. The clusters of hemorrhagic symptoms can only be explained by a mutation.

But no, it was the nuclear plant that blew up 23 years ago and magically only dusted the people in major urban areas across the whole country, and skipping all the areas in between. That's whats causing the clusters of hemorrhagic symptoms... Right.

That theory fits perfectly with the "1000s of mini H-bombs that use cold fusion" blew up the twin towers scenario.

www.nirs.org...

severely compromised immune system.

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I hope and pray it hasn't mutated.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
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I hope and pray it hasn't mutated.

I pray too.

I hope ecoparity is proven right, and he can point is finger and laugh at all of us.
I hope to God he's right.

If it is a lethal strain, the question should become....

why didn't the vaccination push decide to use the 1918 flu to create a DNA vaccine?

The plot thickens.

(you can google "Immunization with plasmid expression vectors encoding hemagglutinin (HA)" for some nice light reading about this.)

Originally posted by ecoparity
I've seen some theories that Chernobyl mutated the swine flu in Ukraine but I'm wondering what the long term health effects on people who live there are from the disaster?

Is it possible that people in Ukraine are reacting badly to the swine flu because of pre-existing health conditions resulting from radiation exposure?

Theories about Mexico City being so bad included the state of public health there and the health care system. I'm wondering if we might be looking at the same thing in Ukraine?

I'd have to look it up but is it possible the regions of Ukraine with all the infections are the same region the disaster and fallout took place in?

This a very good point worth considering.
We dont know what extent monitoring has occurred.
Ukraine took the most of it.
But what of Belarus itself ?
We are still in unchartered territory.Ukraine has lacked the facilities and the money to do anything whilst Belarus remains a closed shop to even those who may try to find out.

Pleural effusion
en.wikipedia.org...

Four types of fluids can accumulate in the pleural space:

* Serous fluid (hydrothorax)
* Blood (hemothorax)
* Chyle (chylothorax)
* Pus (pyothorax or empyema)

There is something called radiation pneumonitis.

What acute effects does radiation have?
People exposed to a high dose of radiation over a short period show acute effects. These are to be distinguished from so-called late effects, such as tumours or genetic mutations, which often only appear decades later.

A dose greater than 0.5 sievert (Sv) is considered to be a high dose of radiation. Above this threshold, adverse effects become apparent immediately or after a few days at most. The immune system is weakened, changes in blood count occur, and the digestive tract, lungs, other internal organs and the central nervous system are all damaged. With absorbed doses of 1 to 2 Sv and above, mortality is expected to be about 20%, according to radiation medicine specialists (36.1). Above a dose of 7 Sv the survival rate is zero.

Of the 600 power station personnel and firefighters who were in the vicinity of the burning reactor directly after the accident, 134 received doses of 0.7 to 13 Sv. These include the 31 people who died in the first 3 months after the accident despite intensive treatment.

The treatment of people who have been exposed to an effective dose of radiation of 10 Sv and above is very costly and has a low success rate, as was apparent after the Chernobyl accident. Since the immune system is weakened and the body no longer has a defence against infections, patients require constant treatment with antibiotics. Survival rates were not improved by the transplantation of healthy bone marrow (36.1).

According to the Chernobyl Forum Report (2005), the deaths of 47 liquidators between 1986 and 2005 can be directly attributed to high radiation exposure. Of the 200 000 liquidators who worked on the reactor in the first year after the accident, says the Report, a total of 2200 may eventually die owing to the consequences of radiation exposure. Other reports claim that all 800 000 liquidators who helped clear up in Chernobyl are endangered. They suffered and suffer (as do other survivors) from conditions including lung cancer and leukaemia, cardiovascular diseases and inflammation of the digestive tract. However, data available on the number of liquidators and the severity of the doses they received remains highly unreliable (154.1).

www.chernobyl.info...

Think of that 800 000 liquidators, who were involved in clean up.

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Originally posted by seattletruth

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
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I hope and pray it hasn't mutated.

I pray too.

I hope ecoparity is proven right, and he can point is finger and laugh at all of us.
I hope to God he's right.

Amen

I have emailed both my Local and national member of Parliament asking why this country do not assist Ukraine.
Why does it take Poland to speak to Sweden ?
Even India offered Ukraine help.I am saddened to be even English when I see this.
Let the West complain when Putin and Medvedov take back this jewel in the crown....Ukrainians never saw any real help from the West-which is probably why relations with Moscow -the greatest poisoners of all will once again flourish.

Originally posted by seattletruth

Furthermore, the President of Ukraine basically says that virologists think the virus has mutated (without actually saying it), and they think it is due to the 3 forms of influenza that has hit their country (which is unlike most other countries, only being hit by h1n1 at this point).


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This is really an interesting development, because two days ago, I started watching that video by that physician/nun in Spain, (can't remember her name) and she said that the Baxter H1N1 vaccine sent to the Ukraine (the one that killed the lab animals at the final quality control check) contained 3 live viruses, if I remember correctly.

(Am I remembering this correctly? Anybody else see the video?)

Add that revelation to the previous revelation:

That microbiologist, Dr. Moshe, supposedly tried to warn people that a biological weapon/vaccine was being made in the Ukraine.

And what does it all add up to?

-3 different live viruses end up in in the Ukraine vaccine batch.
-3 different flu viruses show up in the Ukraine at once, whereas most of the countries only have 1 dominant flu strain making people sick. Highly unusual?
- 1 microbiologist claiming the vaccine is a biological weapon in the Ukraine lab.

Seems to me we have another amazing set of coincidences!

And a partridge in a pear tree.





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