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New FDR Decode

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posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by JFrickenK
Which part of "this thread is about data, not witnesses" did you not understand ?


Could have fooled me. I stopped seeing anything about data days ago.




posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 11:43 AM
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In regards to the IDIOTIC claims by PFFFFT, the following is a post from the JREF forum that outlines the 12 flights prior to flight 77 on 9/11. Captain Bobby was wondering about them and it "pilots" were even on them.


Pretty interesting stuff. (i posted part of this on the other thread)


Thank you Warren for your Job....


With your file:
www.warrenstutt.com...

You can know the 12 flights done by the plane before the crash:

Flight Time Latitude Longitude Latitude Longitude Departure Arrival

FL 00 1:20:20 38.52716 -99.11951 41.97567 -87.89560 San Francisco (?) Chicago
FL 01 2:30:40 41.97567 -87.89560 28.43708 -81.31840 Chicago Orlando
FL 02 2:37:08 28.43021 -81.31136 41.95078 -87.90144 Orlando Chicago
FL 03 4:20:00 41.97001 -87.89886 33.93951 -118.39828 Chicago Los Angeles
FL 04 4:19:24 33.94484 -118.40601 41.97464 -87.90470 Los Angeles Chicago
FL 05 4:10:36 41.97464 -87.90470 33.94020 -118.39949 Chicago Los Angeles
FL 06 3:54:12 33.94020 -118.39949 41.97481 -87.89938 Los Angeles Chicago
FL 07 3:55:08 41.97481 -87.89938 33.94089 -118.40738 Chicago Los Angeles
FL 08 4:29:44 33.93814 -118.40773 41.96777 -87.90419 Los Angeles Chicago
FL 09 4:20:48 41.97361 -87.90367 33.94810 -118.39296 Chicago Los Angeles
FL 10 4:33:48 33.94501 -118.40618 38.93984 -77.45310 Los Angeles Washington Dulles
FL 11 1:26:28 38.94001 -77.45310 38.87032 -77.06154 Washington Dulles Pentagone

The first flight is not complete...

Then you can go here ... www.bts.gov
And you try to find the plane and .... Bingo !!! The plane is numbered N5BPAA

www.bastison.net...

Even for the incomplete flight, it's probably this one, from San Francisco:

AA 09/06/2001 1608 N5BPAA ORD 23:20 23:16 0240 0238 -4 23:32 0016


Time is correct for each flight, delays also!!!


Objection of truthers: the number is not correct !!!!!!

Yes, but American Airlines uses alias for its planes...
You can verify it here : www.airliners.net...

For example, this picture www.airliners.net...&sid=ef57906423646ba2c61507284d57d013
01/22/1999, Los Angeles, no N644AA registered but :
AA 01/22/1999 0144 N5BPAA IAD 12:45 12:46 0293 0293 1 13:10 0024
Again ?
www.airliners.net...&sid=baf702b166e4519ad4811041e87c78db
Austin,Texas, May 2000, no N644AA for this month but 29th :
AA 05/29/2000 1733 N5BPAA SJC 18:50 19:10 0207 0203 20 19:23 0013
And again...
www.airliners.net...&sid=baf702b166e4519ad4811041e87c78db
February 2001, Miami... 11 flights for N5BPAA, 0 for N644AA during this month...


So, from where this black box come from ?



[edit on 9-12-2009 by ImAPepper]



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 11:53 AM
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reply to post by ImAPepper
 


Now that is some data.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 11:56 AM
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John, do you know how to obtain further information regarding those flights? Pilots? Flight manifests? Or, is that all private?

[edit on 9-12-2009 by ImAPepper]



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by ImAPepper
reply to post by 911files
 


John, do you know how to obtain further information regarding those flights? Pilots? Flight manifests? Or, is that all private?

[edit on 9-12-2009 by ImAPepper]


I guess you could try a FOIA, but since the manifests and such are AA's, I doubt if the FAA has them.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by JFrickenK

And I reply again. I AM NOT PFT.



Hmmmm....

pilotsfor911truth.org...




posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by JFrickenK

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
But all the witnesses who are at all credible say that the plane flew over the building. So obviously the FDR is fake. So any conclusions drawn from it are worthless.

That's what I been told anyway boss.


Which part of "this thread is about data, not witnesses" did you not understand ?


Well, the thing is, they're kind of related John. Because if the plane never hit the building then the FDR's a waste of frigging time, isn't it?



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by ImAPepper

Originally posted by JFrickenK

And I reply again. I AM NOT PFT.



Hmmmm....

pilotsfor911truth.org...



Yeah ? so ?

That was Rob's decision... ( one which he practically hounded me about for several months before I finally accepted )

The last time I was in the ACP was when one of you turds hacked his site. ( months ago )

As far as Admin duties I only recall one suspension ( I think ) which Rob turned into a ban...

And that person happened to be a "truther".

A Jew hating truther, but a truther none the less.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by TrickoftheShade

Originally posted by JFrickenK

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
But all the witnesses who are at all credible say that the plane flew over the building. So obviously the FDR is fake. So any conclusions drawn from it are worthless.

That's what I been told anyway boss.


Which part of "this thread is about data, not witnesses" did you not understand ?


Well, the thing is, they're kind of related John. Because if the plane never hit the building then the FDR's a waste of frigging time, isn't it?


First off my name is not "John".

No it is not a waste of time in the sense that if it can be proven that the data from it is fraudulent then ( at this point ) the NTSB is also implicated in the conspiracy.

And yes it was a conspiracy, whether you believe that portions of the administration were involved OR it was 19 hijackers which conspired.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by JFrickenK

Originally posted by ImAPepper

Originally posted by JFrickenK

And I reply again. I AM NOT PFT.



Hmmmm....

pilotsfor911truth.org...



Yeah ? so ?

That was Rob's decision... ( one which he practically hounded me about for several months before I finally accepted )

The last time I was in the ACP was when one of you turds hacked his site. ( months ago )

As far as Admin duties I only recall one suspension ( I think ) which Rob turned into a ban...

And that person happened to be a "truther".

A Jew hating truther, but a truther none the less.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.


So, nothing. You said you are not PFT, yet you are an administrator on his Forum. I would call that a wee bit disingenuous. I do find it interesting that he had to "hound" someone to ADMIN his forums. From what he says people are breaking down his door to get in!

If you're into Jew hating truthers, I suggest you look at the posts from Obwon.

"In regards to your calling me a "turd," you are mistaken. I would not put it past the pathetic, liar Balsamo to do it himself to gain attention and increase PFT clock and coffee mug sales. His true colors (although already obvious to normal people)have really come to light here as ATS in the past week or so.

and... I don't smoke.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by JFrickenK
reply to post by 767doctor
 


I am looking for any path to the outputted file, That is why I stuck the "or" into "EICAS, FDAU, or FDR"

In my manual the surge tanks do NOT have densiometers.

In 28-41-04 this is a snippett for the densiometer :



Also after a manual AND search engine search there is NO port 29 within chapter 31... AT ALL.

Edit to add - There is no "port 29" ANYWHERE within the manuals I have.

Tino can verify this.



Also had you been keeping up, 5 or 6 pages ago I have admitted to misreading a label early in that circuit trace.



Look,

If you PFT fanboys had the first clue about aviation, particularly commercial aviation, you'd know that every 757 fleet is different. In fact, we have 133 757s, and there are 5 major effectivity groups and 15 or so smaller ones within. There are thousands of options on the 757, as a result, each airline configures their airplanes a different way. Some 757's have P&W engines, some have RR. Some have 10 doors, some 8. Some use Walter Kidde for fire detection, some use Systron-Donner. Some have Allied Signal FDR systems, some have Honeywell. Some have a Simmonds fuel quantity system, other have Honeywell. This list is endless. No two fleets are the same.

My manual shows a very clear path from the densitometers(S TANK DENSITY would be an option, for those paying attention) to the FDAU. Not my fault the fleet you have a manual for doesn't have FQIS->FDAU bus, or show a surge tank densitometer?

Did you read Tinos response?

Did you see that that the 757-3B_1 frame layouts(Bobbys supposed custom configuration)? It does not list S TANK DENSITY.







With what I have for reference there is no signal from the flight deck door proxy switch to the EICAS, FDAU, OR FDR.

GOT THAT ? GOOD. Now kindly # off in that respect.


Good that you can admit that. I have access to 3 unique 757 fleet manuals(3 airlines and a multitude of different configurations), none have any such connection.

Now, an aviation and electronically illiterate dunce would take that as evidence that the FDD is recorded magically. People with a clue realize that the FDD EICAS option is obviously not standard equipment on the B757, which is why we don't see it.






[edit on 9-12-2009 by 767doctor]



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:51 PM
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First off my name is not "John".

No it is not a waste of time in the sense that if it can be proven that the data from it is fraudulent then ( at this point ) the NTSB is also implicated in the conspiracy.

And yes it was a conspiracy, whether you believe that portions of the administration were involved OR it was 19 hijackers which conspired.


Wow! Deep stuff. I hadn't thought about it like that before! (Clue - I had).

John F Kennedy's first name was John, was it not? Unless you aren't actually JFK, in which case I'm never going to trust you again.

But if you're getting the NTSB involved as well then that list of conspirators is getting ever longer...

Anyway, it's a moot point because THE PLANE FLEW OVER THE BUILDING. Didn't it?



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:53 PM
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He had to "hound" me because I already have my hands full Admining all my other forums.

Let alone trying to do my own research.

So did you hack PFT ? If so then you are a turd.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 12:59 PM
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I do not know.

What I do know is that there is no way Hanni Hanjour could have brought that plane not only around the 270 degree spiral, but over either the antenna mast or over the Navy annex and had it fly so low and near level as was depected by the security cameras.


Burlingame, Maybe... Hanjour, No.

But that is also off topic for the title of this topic.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by JFrickenK
reply to post by TrickoftheShade
 


I do not know.

What I do know is that there is no way Hanni Hanjour could have brought that plane not only around the 270 degree spiral, but over either the antenna mast or over the Navy annex and had it fly so low and near level as was depected by the security cameras.



And we take the word of someone who does not even know it was a 330 degree turn for that? You P4T guys crack me up.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by JFrickenK
reply to post by TrickoftheShade
 


I do not know.

What I do know is that there is no way Hanni Hanjour could have brought that plane not only around the 270 degree spiral, but over either the antenna mast or over the Navy annex and had it fly so low and near level as was depected by the security cameras.


Burlingame, Maybe... Hanjour, No.

But that is also off topic for the title of this topic.


Fair play, it is. It's bollocks, obviously, as well, but that's for another day.

So, back OT. Let me work this out.

If the data is shown to be flawed then the FDR is fake, because it doesn't coincide with the generally accepted account of what happened that day.*

BUT, if the data conforms with that account then it must be fake because as we all know no plane hit the Pentagon.

I'm scratching my head, but I still can't work out what you're hoping to achieve here.




*Unless you think they disappeared the plane, chucked in the missile/drone, then decided "sod it, we'll just give them the real FDR anyway". Doh!



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
If the data is shown to be flawed then the FDR is fake, because it doesn't coincide with the generally accepted account of what happened that day.*

Wrong. If there is no datapath from the surge tanks to the EICAS, FDAU, OR FDR then the data released ( AAL77_tabular.csv, column 106 ) by the NTSB is fake. PERIOD.

Thus far I have not been able to confirm that datapath.

What exactly is it about that that you do not understand ?

Edit to add - And other than trolling, why do you insist on putting words in other peoples mouth ?



[edit on 9-12-2009 by JFrickenK]



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by JFrickenK

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
If the data is shown to be flawed then the FDR is fake, because it doesn't coincide with the generally accepted account of what happened that day.*

Wrong. If there is no datapath from the surge tanks to the EICAS, FDAU, OR FDR then the data released ( AAL77_tabular.csv, column 106 ) by the NTSB is fake. PERIOD.

Thus far I have not been able to confirm that datapath.

What exactly is it about that that you do not understand ?

Edit to add - And other than trolling, why do you insist on putting words in other peoples mouth ?



[edit on 9-12-2009 by JFrickenK]


Okay. Let's assume that you establish that the NTSB data is fake. Where does that get you? You're going to be in a pretty odd position, because you're going to have to claim that the FDR has been provided in good faith. Which produces the conclusion that...



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by JFrickenK
reply to post by ImAPepper
 


He had to "hound" me because I already have my hands full Admining all my other forums.

Let alone trying to do my own research.

So did you hack PFT ? If so then you are a turd.


Wow, your parents must be so proud that you are so sought after to moderate mentally ill people on the LCF and now the idiots at the PFFT forum.

Did I hack PFT? I tell you what; ask Bob if I did. We all have a strong feeling as to who and why it was allegedly hacked.



posted on Dec, 9 2009 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
Okay. Let's assume that you establish that the NTSB data is fake. Where does that get you?


Seriously I can not believe that you are unable to comprehend the consequences of such a proof as they would be far too many to list here.



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