We're here! We're queer! We're 13!

I for one think it's fantastic that we as a society are open minded enough to be able to talk openly about the sexuality of 13 year old boys. It's fun to speculate how many of them will sodomize each other when they get older.

Back in my youth you had to keep that kind of thing to yourself.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by intrepid
That is if one is not afraid or ignorant on the subject.

But it is YOU all that is afraid
you can't even stay on topic

I was on topic. I said that kids are aware of their sexuality at a much younger age. BTW, what am I afraid of? Becoming ignorant?

You just keep mentioning what YOU think the source of my views are and only comment on that when not one of my comments were anywhere close to religion.

My post was broader than that. Sorry if you took offense. Well, not really.

You therefore ALL lose by default.
Seriously, it's like arguing with devout Obama fans telling me i'm only not pro-obama because i'm racist.

"Lose by default?" I didn't know that there was a competition going on. And then Obama? Dude, I'm Canadian. This is the weakest debating post I have ever seen. Educate yourself man.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


why i'm pro-obama and a racist thank u very much...

See you mentioning culture and religion is derailing the thread, because unless anyone uses those arguments as ammo why mention it and tell me why I think this way?

You say "unless anyone uses those arguments as ammo"... why can't I use those arguments as ammo? Am i not anyone? If someone else were to bring it up you'd respond the same way to the other person.

And your question really is... well... void, because I can also say if you were raised by a family of rapists would you think rape was wrong. NO I am not saying gays are like rapists. I am making a point.

if you were raised by a family of rapists and were exposed to it... no you wouldn't think anythign was wrong with rape. you'd think it was normal.

i think your missing the point of what i'm saying. you jump at any mention of the word culture or religion... when all i'm talking about is CONTEXT. enviornment. mental programming. brain washing. all the same thing.

you only have the beliefs that you have because of the time and place you were born. there is nothing to argue about that.

raised by 2 gay men and 10 gay uncles I couldn't have come out well with no woman, at least 1/10 in that household, to have a better understanding of things in life.

isn't that just an opinion? and doesn't this go against your notion that gays act feminine? therefore wouldn't it be like having 2 mothers if you had 2 gay fathers?

A Child is a product of reproduction Every child needs both a father and a mother. We all know how mothers are, they all have that beautiful motherly nature, maybe because that baby was in her womb I don't know, I guess i've known many women with that nature even before giving birth, but every child deserves that aspect.

this is just a generalization... how do u explain mothers who beat their children? how do u explain mothers who don't care about their kids at all? just because all of the females that you know act nurturing doesn't mean they all are.

I've never been exposed to any form of judeo-christianism whatsoever in my entire life. I am against all forms of abrahamic religions.

your not reading what i'm saying... i said US CULTURE clouds how we think. and US CULTURE is all sorts of wrapped up in judeo-christian beliefs. just like the one that you hold regarding homosexuals. why do you think you believe what you believe in the first place? its because thats what others have told you. i don't know how many different ways i can explain it to you... your brainwashed. we all are. its better to accept that fact than fight it

Originally posted by Captain Obvious
It's fun to speculate how many of them will sodomize each other when they get older.

Back in my youth you had to keep that kind of thing to yourself.

"Sodomy"? That isn't what it means to be gay. I know many both in RL and here. NOT ONE OF THEM engage in sodomy. It's not about "ass love". It's about attraction and love. Get past the fear man. BTW, there are far more straight people that engage in sodomy. Watch any porno.

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I dont see what you are upset about. All I am saying is that homosexuality is caused by a chemical/hormonal imbalance just like despression or being bi-polar.

I think the loving thing to do would be to help people accept that they have this medical issue and help them accept it and help to find a cure, just like we would do for anyone we loved that suffered from an illness.

We certainly wouldnt encourage someone suffering from depression or being bi-polar to act on their thoughts and encourage behavior which could be harmful to them. Would we?

You know the first thing I hear most homosexuals say. They were born this way and if they could have chose, they would have chosen to be straight. So I think we should work to help them be the way they would have chosen.

[edit on 25-9-2009 by HotDogNoBun]

Originally posted by intrepid
My post was broader than that. Sorry if you took offense. Well, not really.

I don't ever succumb to e-offense
it's all good
dude, that Obama analogy was just an analogy you know
I'm also in Canada btw
You don't have to be american to get it

Anyhow your "broad" post mostly revolved around an invisible man while I have clearly distanced myself from religion.

Once again..................

I am against all abrahamic religions and don't believe in organized religions.

Now.... can we get past the invisible man?

I'm kinda wondering why I'm supposed to care? To each his or her own...live and let live...and all the other trite little phrases you can think of. I, honestly, don't give a damn whether a kid is straight or gay. Sooooo not my business. If someone wants to hurt that kid because of it, then it's my business, and only then. I'm a knight in shiny armour, so sue me...

reply to post by ModernAcademia


do you not see how a lot of what you say is not science and is just mere opinion? moral decisions have never been based on science.

and for the person claiming homosexuality has a chemical basis... how does that turn into being an "illness"? everything has a chemical basis last time i checked

reply to post by dannyfal


It is an illness, because it impairs your judgement and you life choices, just like having depression or any other chemical or hormonal imbalance.

Originally posted by HotDogNoBun
reply to post by dannyfal

 

It is an illness, because it impairs your judgement and you life choices, just like having depression or any other chemical or hormonal imbalance.

Links please.

reply to post by NatureBoy

In rome and greece homosexuallity was acceptable and encouraged.

Did you hear about the Great Fall of the Roman Empire. All the bath houses went with it. Kind of like Sodom and Gomorrah. Yes I am a Christian but wont judge you. That isn’t my job.

Of course we don't have a perfect understanding or society model yet which is why we have these debates.

In college I took lots of sociology. The model of society is a father a mother and children as the standard family. We also have the extended family, including grand-parents. A new family developed in the 70’s a family of single mothers with children, which almost succeeded the “NORM” So they set new norms.

Culture sets the norms. The Gay Family has not been formerly accepted in literature or text books and most likely never will be. It isn’t a norm yet.

Originally posted by dannyfal
You say "unless anyone uses those arguments as ammo"... why can't I use those arguments as ammo? Am i not anyone? If someone else were to bring it up you'd respond the same way to the other person.

But you are the one bringing it up... and on top of that as a reponse when it had nothing to do with my post.

You can't see the difference?

Originally posted by dannyfal
when all i'm talking about is CONTEXT. enviornment. mental programming. brain washing. all the same thing.

Those are okay arguments but not in response to me mentioning anatomy and the reproductive system.

Mention those arguments if you wish, no prob and i'll even debate it
but why as a reply and not a post when it wasn't even in the post?

Originally posted by dannyfal
you only have the beliefs that you have because of the time and place you were born. there is nothing to argue about that.

There is

okay think about this

How can you say homosexuality is okay when you hide behind the 10%?

It is okay if the entire world is heterosexual.
But it's not okay if the entire world is homosexual because there would no longer be any naturally born children. So essentially there would be no future for the human race.

So you hide behind homosexuality is okay as long as it's in the lower denominator.

How can you say it's natural then?

Originally posted by dannyfal
isn't that just an opinion? and doesn't this go against your notion that gays? act femininetherefore wouldn't it be like having 2 mothers if you had 2 gay fathers?

No it doesn't go against the notion that gays act feminine
A gay man is still a gay man

and breast milk is not an opinion it's a necessity!

Originally posted by dannyfal
just because all of the females that you know act nurturing doesn't mean they all are.

Fair enough
But a child is still a product of reproduction

Originally posted by dannyfal
why do you think you believe what you believe in the first place? its because thats what others have told you

I only used logic in my posts and science
neither are a product of brainwashing

reply to post by intrepid


If you look through earlier pages of this thread, you will see a link I posted where scientists are working on finding a cure, and have made great progress on finding a cure for homosexuality in sheep. Of course, this is just the typical trials research goes through before it leads to a cure for humans.

The strange thing is that homosexuals like Martina Navratrovlova are fighting this research because they are in denial and dont want to accept the fact that they suffer from an illness. It is much like the behavior we see in drug addicts and alcoholics not wanting to face their disease.

I just hope that one day we can overcome the ignorance and get these poor folks the help they need to be whole.

[edit on 25-9-2009 by HotDogNoBun]

reply to post by HotDogNoBun


I've been wondering if homosexuality is the human race adapting to overpopulation.

It's perhaps just a survival tactic of our specie.

[edit on 25-9-2009 by ModernAcademia]

reply to post by seagull


I dont want any gay kids getting hurt either. That is one reason I worry about them coming out at this age. There are kids bullied at my childrens school. Some are experimental in nature. It's easy to jump the gun on teenage hormones.

Originally posted by HotDogNoBun
reply to post by intrepid

 

If you look through earlier pages of this thread, you will see a link I posted where scientists are working on finding a cure, and have made great progress on finding a cure for homosexuality in sheep. Of course, this is just the typical trials research goes through before it leads to a cure for humans.

This article?

In stunning new developments scientists are conducting experiments to change the sexuality of gay sheep.

Researchers at Oregon State University believe an adjustment on the hormonal balance in the brains of gay male sheep will make them attracted to the females rather than other males.

It brings civilization closer to the day a when a woman can reduce or completely eliminate the chances of her children being homosexuals. Experts claim the treatment can be as simple as a hormone patch similar to a nicotine patch worn during pregnancy.

The research has inflamed some homosexuals and gay animal rights activists. Martina Navratilova, the lesbian tennis player who won Wimbledon nine times, defended the "right" of sheep to be gay. She went on to pull the "offended" card for grounds to stop the research as she claimed gays and lesbians would be deeply offended by the project.

Scientists defend their project claiming the research is specifically looking into what causes sexuality and aren't looking for a "cure".

Personally I am against messing with nature. I don't like the idea of a day when babies are designed by their parents. On the other hand if we live in a society that grant a woman the right to kill her unborn infants surly we cant stomp on their right to chose her infants sexuality.

Lets face it..... Some mommas don't want their babies to grow up to be brokeback mountain cowboys.

I don't know which is funnier, the article itself or that it's being used as a scientific argument.

I just hope that one day we can overcome the ignorance...

I'll second that.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


I see where you are coming from, but how could are DNA know the population of the earth and what the proper number would be. I think it is just a simple imbalance that will have a cure within a few years. I just feel that we are harming peoples chances to get the cure when it comes out by trying to make their lifestyle choices acceptable instead of attributing it to their illness. It would be like making drug abuse an accepted lifestyle and protecting it under law. It would harm the chances of the addict to seek help.

Originally posted by intrepid
It's not about "ass love". It's about attraction and love. Get past the fear man.

I just assumed that since we were discussing the sexuality of 13 year old boys and girls, that would include a discussion of their sex organs and any sexual acts they might do. (In the future of course when they're legally old enough.) I'm sure they will each express their love in different ways. They might just hold hands and make chicken soup for each other when they're sick. Or maybe just hugs and kisses. That's all fine by me. If two 13 year old girls want to kiss, let them do it by all means. Who am I to say what love is to others?

On the issue of sodomy, I never said there was anything wrong with the act. I've said nothing on this subject but how I appreciated everyone's openness and honesty. Do you think there's something wrong with sodomy?

Originally posted by Captain Obvious
Do you think there's something wrong with sodomy?

I don't have a problem with it if it between consenting people of legal age.

reply to post by HotDogNoBun


I read this thread yesterday. Then today this one. Maybe there is more to it.

Over the last decade, scientists have begun to realize something is seriously wrong with 'maleness'. Not just of human males, but males of nearly every vertebrate on the planet.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The globe is overpopulated. It was when it reach 5 billion, then a sudden jump to 6 billion.