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reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 02:56 AM by ashestoashes
Because of the simple fact that the FBI - to this day has not releasd the footage it claims to have - which shows the various feeds from the security cameras - even after EIGHT YEARS - makes me wonder as to what could possibly be on it ..?!

Now, a few things are clear -

a plane (Or SOMETHING) WAS there on 9/11.

It (Or SOMETHING) hit the pentagon

Many people witnessed it.

However -

Damage to the building does NOT correspond to the claim of the plane type

The trajectory the Govt says does NOT fit the actual damage done.

Neither The few plane parts that were gathered NOR the crater fit the type of plane involved.

...

These are the MOST BASIC facts anyone can observe.

So - what is one left to believe happened that day.

Confusion and contradictions reign. But from the attitude of the Pentagon the conclusion one dwars is that something is wrong somewhere.

What is is - may well never be revealed.

In my Personal opinion I believe that the whole 9/11 episode could not have occured without the complicity of at least a few Officials at the Highest Level.

Now whether they (TPTB) organised or planned it or they simply chose to let it happen - is speculative. But it is a given that 9/11 was not an out of the blue terrorist attack.
All the evidence points to

The Govt knew it was going to happen.

They COULD'VE stopped it.

They did NOT..

And lastly - the person claimed responsible by that very government - is STILL at large after Eight Long years of search efforts by the biggest superpower of the world.

Says a lot - doesn't it ?



reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 03:12 AM by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Originally posted by K J Gunderson
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post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi



Why do people like you take the time to read a thread and then post about how stupid a thread it is? You can just go to another thread at anytime. You can leave ATS. You can walk away from your computer. If it seems so stupid and wasteful to you....then what are you hear reading this and responding to it for?


Because people like you are wasting your time. I am indeed part of the truth movement, but I am not going to fool myself with things that I know nothing about.

The government covered up the Pentagon attack quite well, to the point of the public having no evidence against it. So why keep focusing on it? Why is nobody talking about what factually happened (WTC7)? As far as I am concerned, anyone who is focused on the Pentagon at this point is just playing straight into the US government's hand.


reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 03:16 AM by borrowedname
Originally posted by yellowcard
Originally posted by burntheships
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post by mappam



I reccomend watching the video, it is great! They address some of your questions....and check this out. This will explain some with a picture...

[edit on 30-8-2009 by burntheships]


This isn't cartoon land, a plane wouldn't leave the exact cutout of a plane like a cartoon running through a wall

The strongest part of the plane is the landing gear, and there are tons of photos of plane debris...oh truthers when will you learn.

This should be labeled, "An independent investigation with initial bias toward an 'inside job' with no access to physical evidence"

[edit on 30-8-2009 by yellowcard]


The strongest part of a plane is the engine. And there are no engine parts.
Even purdue university believes, that the plane didn't had an engine. (watch the animation. The engine just disappears when entering the pentagon.): www.youtube.com...


reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 05:45 AM by AceWombat04
I have always believed (though I distinguish between belief and knowledge) that something other than what we have been told by various examples of officialdom pertaining to 9-11 happened that day.

That said, my line of thought goes something like this:

Which of the following two is easier and/or more effective?

1) Using holographic airplanes in conjunction with controlled demolition at the WTC, involving large numbers of operatives (however compartmentalized and unwitting they may have been) in order to set the explosives under the cover of an elaborately executed ostensible purpose, launching a guided missile at the Pentagon, and creating the appearance that an additional aircraft crashed in another state. Potential risks include technical faults in the holography that might make the plan obvious to witnesses, witness sightings of the missile (sure they could be silenced, but that's more work and more risk as well,) failure of the explosives, and the greater probability of leaks with the increased number of operatives, however compartmentalized or unwitting many of them may be. Benefits of this plan include absolute control of the timing and execution, provided all can be carried off without a hitch.

2) Subtlety and with reasonably plausible justification reducing the nation's air defense posture while seeing to it that elements of or associated with the same forces the country had already covertly funded and armed since the Cold War obtain funds and passports, and then allowing those who already want to attack us to finally achieve their aims in one fell swoop. The risks of this operation are less than those of #1, and even if discovered, could be made to look like - at worst - gross negligence and/or poor decision making, should the need arise. Benefits are that plausible deniability is more easily achieved under this scenario, and that timing isn't as critical a factor because someone else is doing the wet work. All you have to do is let them get away with it for a change.

To me at least, the second scenario just seems more plausible. I'm not saying that's what happened, however. I'm 100% open to other, more exotic possibilities. That technology exists to at least make them feasible under the right conditions is certain in my opinion.

It's just that things like the Gulf of Tonkin incident mean that the second scenario has precedents in history, and that actual operational proposals such as Operation Northwoods (look it up; it was real and the documentary proof can be found in the library of congress among other sources) mean that this kind of thinking and planning has gone on in the past.

Just my two cents, all of which is opinion and/or belief and not fact, because I don't know for certain what happened that day. I hope we all do, someday.


reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 06:16 AM by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Originally posted by Clickfoot


Actually, it kind of is. Even if the roads were as heavily populated as you say, the whole thing lasted a matter of seconds. "Thousands" would not have seen it.

But why would the roads be so heavily populated anyway? This wasn't 'rush hour'. Most people would have been at work already.


Yopu obviously have never been to Washington D.C., or any major city with bad traffic. Thick traffic and standstills are not limited to rush hour. During the 90's, Washing D.C. ranked as the city with the worst traffic in America, something I can attest to, because I was stationed just south of the area at Ft. Belvoir, VA, and experienced DC's traffic first hand. The roads were always crammed and slow moving. I doubt much has changed from 1992 in that respect.

The pentagon was especially bad because alot of people work around that area.

And the event lasted long enough that people would have noticed. It's pretty damned hard NOT to notice a big hunker of a plane flying low and barreling towards you. There was enough time people would have seen it. It was several seconds, but people don't need that much time to notice something that out of the ordinary.

So yes. It is not a stretch to say thousands of people would have witnessed it. Not only the roads, but the surrounding buildings and areas were full of people, people on all sides who had a clear view of what was going on. And don't forget about the thousands working in the Pentagon themselves.

A light pole flies down a road, at about 3 feet in the air - hits a cab - and then that cab slides around across three lanes - yet no other cars on a road with 'heavy traffic' is involved in any sort of collision?

Does that really add up?


It amuses me to know end that people focus on a very mentally unstable cabdriver who seems to be a fan of David Icke while ignoring everyone and everything else. Lloyd England's testimony, everytime I see it, makes me think that the local loony bin lost track of one of their patients.

It adds up even less to believe that in broad daylight, in front of thousands of people, that the feds manage to pull chunks of airplanes and broken light pulls out of thin air and fling them about. With no one noticing.

Riiight. Where did they hide this stuff. Their pockets?


reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 08:53 AM by Donny 4 million
Originally posted by K J Gunderson
reply to
post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi



Why do people like you take the time to read a thread and then post about how stupid a thread it is? You can just go to another thread at anytime. You can leave ATS. You can walk away from your computer. If it seems so stupid and wasteful to you....then what are you hear reading this and responding to it for?


The guy is posting an opinion. He said nothing about stupid.
I generally accept what you post. You should be a little careful of creating an infighting of sorts. He seems to be interested in the real facts and is just suggesting an option.
Lets not let the lack of official concern for Americans divide us further.
just sayin
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