Every American deserves the same health care plan enjoyed by our Congressmen and Representatives. No more. No less.

Originally posted by 12m8keall2c
In my opinion,
The US government couldn't run a successful Day Care let alone any sort of Nationalized Health system.

On another note, and perhaps something for a different thread all together...
Given the extent to which the Insurance Co.s, Big Pharma and Big Medical are so obviously and deeply entrenched with well-funded lobbyists on Capital Hill, does any one think for one minute they would be supporting this, OR EVEN allowing it to see the light of day, IF it weren't in one way or another in their best interest(s)? That they would allow it to even reach the point of further discussion, debate? ... if they haven't already figured a means by which to capitalize (profit) off the same?

$.02

This may not be the correct thread to get into this conversation in, and if not please excuse me, but I respectfully disagree. The Federal Government is bulky and often times inefficient, but based on personal experience I found that it runs a tight ship at least with regards the military. Not to say they would be able to do the same with a national health care system, but again, that's not what is really being proposed. The public option was the last thing in the current health care reform that could be construed as "socializing" anything to do with health care (and that was going to be socialized health insurance at that), and it appears that even it is coming off the table very soon.

Also, I believe that what we are seeing in the debate is the product of exactly the type of special interest influence of which you are speaking. Big health insurance is spending like crazy to try and defeat this, and in particular any mention of a public option drives them to spend more. Thus, it seems disingenuous for them say from one side of their mouth that the government couldn't run a viable public option because of government incompetence, yet say from the other side, that any public option would bankrupt the private insurance market because of unfair advantages. Which is it, are they incompetent, or are they so competent they will drive the private insurers out of business? The fact that the big insurance lobby is against health care reform is, to me, a good reason to look further into it.

By the way I don't support it as it is right now, because I think the burden will fall, as it always does, to the middle class and small business owners when they are forced to pay for insurance for all employees and not given breaks to offset such a steep increase in costs. But anything that worries the big insurance lobby is probably worth a second look in my opion.

Originally posted by Artephius Abraxas Helios
Big health insurance is spending like crazy to try and defeat this, and in particular any mention of a public option drives them to spend more.

How much are they spending and where is it going?

News from Canada from this weekend:

“We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize,” said Dr. Anne Doig. The doctor added that it’s a little thing called sustainability that’s causing massive problems with the Canadian health care system.

She added, “We know that there must be change. We’re all running flat out, we’re all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands.”

Originally posted by kiwifoot

Originally posted by eradown
I think it is funny you know who our president is. You really should not. Regardless of whither you love Obama or hate him, he won't help you at all. We in America prefer to mind our own bussiness or maybe we really are too big to ignore.

Thanks, I really needed that laugh.

You are so right, the US is a beacon of independence, a shining example of a country concentrating on their own issues, of not interfering in the running of other nations, of not forcing it's will on the rest of the world, history is brimming with the peaceful message of US non-involvment in the business of independent-nation-states, you should be very insulted that heaven forbid the rest of the world may have an opinion on you for a change.


Do you really have such a idealistic, holy notion of yourself?

I have to sit down, the laughter is killing me.

I just thought of the best reply to my own post:

"You weren't so worried about US interference in WW1 and WW2"....hm will have to come up with a reply to myself for that!

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First of all the United States is a Republic founded on a constitution which strictly limits the authority and scope of the federal government. The idea of socialism, which you enjoy is strictly speaking slavery, as under socialism everyone has some claim to everyone else's life. Their labor, their moneuy, their lives are not their own but property of some nameless mass of government/people/whatever. The definition of slavery is...
slav·er·y (slv-r, slvr)
n. pl. slav·er·ies
1. The state of one bound in servitude as the property of a slaveholder or household.
2.
a. The practice of owning slaves.
b. A mode of production in which slaves constitute the principal work force.
3. The condition of being subject or addicted to a specified influence.
4. A condition of hard work and subjection: wage slavery.

Check numbers 1 and 3 and then when you understand the english language come back and argue how you're not a slave. We the American people do not wish to be slaves, as this is the US and not Canada, we don;t give a crap what you do, you an have a big socialist slavery party and practice humans sacrifice all you wish, for us we prefer freedom.

Originally posted by kiwifoot

I just thought of the best reply to my own post:

you weren't so worried about US interference in WW1 and WW2....hm will have to come up with a eply to myself for that!

What's fun is debating with a German over this stuff and then telling him

"Well if it wasn't for us, you'd all be speaking German"

LOL

I'll tell you what there hoser.

To pay for our new health plan just too make you feel better.
We will have your Govt. tax you another 30% to pay for our plan.
It really would not be much different than the illegals we have to pay for.

Let's call it the "Pay it forward" health care plan.

If you live North of someone, you pay for their health care.

This plan is already in effect for us, so you can just join the party!

Got it Hoser, aye..............

Mind your own business!

Originally posted by 12m8keall2c
In my opinion,
The US government couldn't run a successful Day Care let alone any sort of Nationalized Health system.

This may not be the correct thread to get into this conversation in, and if not please excuse me, but I respectfully disagree. The Federal Government is bulky and often times inefficient, but based on personal experience I found that it runs a tight ship at least with regards the military.




Thankfully the miltary runs its own ships, They make take orders from "SECDEF" or "POTUS" but thats only after the breifings they get from the military... One has to look to Vietnam and see what happens when Goverment gets involved in Military Operations.

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet


Thankfully the miltary runs its own ships, They make take orders from "SECDEF" or "POTUS" but thats only after the breifings they get from the military... One has to look to Vietnam and see what happens when Goverment gets involved in Military Operations.

Or the first failed battle of Fallujuh

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Originally posted by seagull
My faith in the ability of govt. to run anything ceased to exist long ago...

That is absolutely fine, but how about your faith in letting HMO's, hospital groups, insurance etc to have a field day? Did you hear about costs rising exponentially? Are you in denial? I'll say it again - the UK spends 40% less on health and they are doing fine.

Another day, another health care thread. It's getting boring, but not as boring as having Americans tell me the NHS sucks and is falling apart. Like any system, it's not perfect, but I suspect if the Tories try and take it away they'll be out of office sooner than you can say "Cameron you loser".

Yeah... I'm just a shill for the NHS. Just like Steven Hawking. Or the thousands of people who are successfully treated for free every day.

One of my best friends was treated for leukaemia a while ago. He nearly died but he's been in remission for three years now and is doing well. Never had to pay a penny. I'm glad my National Insurance contributions go to help people: I think it's a mark of a civilised society.

Of course, most of the people who whine about their money being used to help people never ever complain about the ENORMOUS budget spent on the military. You never hear these people bitching about their money being used to kill people. Funny, that.