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posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by constantwonder
hmmm a great deal of my belonings are chinese made and the last time i checked alot of the chinese people live in communistic poverty.

It saddens me that one would think kids in a sweat shop in a communist nation making our goods is a way of life we should adopt



created, not manufactured...you know as in the word invention...sigh

It saddens me as well, luckily I don't wear anything made in china. You, however most likely do, don't let the hypocrisy hit you on your way out.

One of the best parts of a socialism is being able to acquire the property of others. So while you're at it, I'm going to have to go ahead and claim I need to have your wife/gf carry a baby for me. Luckily since the socialism that you want does not recognize her rights to her own body so I can go ahead and legally rape her. Gotta love the system...

It saddens me that there are people out there that support the rape of women like constantwonder...

ps. china is a hybrid social system, fyi. A pure communist system such as USSR cannot be sustained. You should perhaps read about the money that was funneled to russia via US taxpayers throughout the entire mythical cold war. There are numerous books written about it as well as the more publicized chunk of 100million that Woodrow Wilson cut to Russia so their country could actually pretend to be a superpower.

pss. I'd educate you further, but I do hate feeding wild animals...



[edit on 18-8-2009 by injunfeller]




posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by ZombieOctopus
 




I have great insurance if I need surgery I pay $100 for the co-payment; my insurance company foots the rest. I need to see the doctor I pay $20 co-payment. My kids need to go to the E.R I pay $50 for co payment and the Insurance Company covers the rest.




[edit on 17-8-2009 by poedxsoldiervet]



LOL and what corporation are you a slave to? Be real, tell us how much of your paycheck goes to pay for that insurance every pay period?



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 12:05 AM
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People like to talk about ignorance in most of these political topics. However, most of the ignorance comes from some of the posters themselves.

Ones who like to loop every American into one pile. Mainly foreigners, who for whatever reason think that any American cares one bit what they have to say about American politics. If you don't like what you see or hear. DON'T READ OR LISTEN. I think this is what bugs most Euro's and Canadians the most. That everyday Americans couldn't care less what they think. I know I don't. I don't care what happens to any of you all. I don't care what your countries do. you all make your own decisions and based on those decisions we will decide if we still want to be allies with you. you all should do the same with us. If you all disagree with the way we run our country, that's fine. Leave us alone. Stay out of the forums related to us, and go about your business. Id say go hang out with your friends, but its doubtful any of you have any. Bunch of emo, computer nerds with elitist attitudes who think they are better than everyone else, or smarter because of stuff they have read on the internet. Get out and experience the real world.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 12:05 AM
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So...let me get this straight, a Canadian is telling Americans that they don't know what they are talking about, and that our input has basis in fact in your country, and that you support socialized healthcare. Ok, so basically you are advocating socialized programs to America. Well, let me tell you something, it's clear that you don't know much about American history, the Constitution on which it is founded, or that we don't give a damn what other countries are doing, because we want something that works AND promotes individual liberty.


PS, didn't your health minister just say the Canadian health care system was collapsing? and I'm sure the U.K. allowed their surveillance society that hasn't kept them any safer, I'm sure Nazi Germany felt contempt and safe when they elected Hitler....all democratically elected items. The U.S. is not a pure democracy, it's a republic, it is not centrally planned, it is a Federation of states. If I wanted to go down the slippery slope on the whims and wishes of someone's emotions then we wouldn't have a Constitution. If we wanted high taxes and what the U.K. or Canada has then we wouldn't have declared independence or would have been dissolved into France.

[edit on 18-8-2009 by yellowcard]



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by injunfeller

One of the best parts of a socialism is being able to acquire the property of others. So while you're at it, I'm going to have to go ahead and claim I need to have your wife/gf carry a baby for me. Luckily since the socialistic that you want does not recognize her rights to her own body so I can go ahead and legally rape her. Gotta love the system...

It saddens me that there are people out there that support the rape of women like constantwonder...



Are you stating women are property? I think you are?!?!?

It saddens me that there are people out there that support the idea of women as property.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 12:18 AM
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Originally posted by eradown
I think it is funny you know who our president is. You really should not. Regardless of whither you love Obama or hate him, he won't help you at all. We in America prefer to mind our own bussiness or maybe we really are too big to ignore.


Right. I'm American, and I can tell you that what you wrote is a load. America 'mind's our own business' like customers at a strip club mind the dancers.


Chrono



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 12:22 AM
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It is not about socialized medicine, it is really about your line of “American policies shape the world” The question is why. Freedom, the less government intervention the better the stronger the society is.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by Chronogoblin

Originally posted by eradown
I think it is funny you know who our president is. You really should not. Regardless of whither you love Obama or hate him, he won't help you at all. We in America prefer to mind our own bussiness or maybe we really are too big to ignore.


Right. I'm American, and I can tell you that what you wrote is a load. America 'mind's our own business' like customers at a strip club mind the dancers.


Chrono



This is something I can agree with. We let our leadership stick our noses in too many places it doesn't belong. However, until more Americans awaken to the fact that our leadership needs be drastically changed, things will continue down the same path. However, I feel more and more people are getting fed up with the waste of time and money that is done by our govt.

However, until we get more people running for office who feel the same way, there can be no change.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 12:26 AM
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There's nothing wrong with a community even a country applying itself to take care of it's people. In an ideal sense health care should be a good thing. The problem is the motives behind these practices have nothing to do with best interests. Obama isn't a leader he's an actor doing the bidding of his masters who detest humanity at all levels. Monsanto and genetic engineering foods, drug companies with long standing opposition to natural healing, etc., etc... Doctors are not doctors they are assembly line technicians Obamas efforts have to do with creating dependency and subservience in people to the fascist authority. To ending all law, all true justice is the goal of the fascist agenda. Titles are given to these causes which are far from representing their true nature. You are projecting your aspirations of goodness on the term Healthcare and imagining Obama as the savior who will deliver the goodness in your heart. That's known as fantasy. It's not the reality of what's going on in the world. You need to get a better sense of the big picture and understand these conspiracies are interrelated.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 12:42 AM
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The capitalism works as long it doesn`t touch indispensable items and services. A year ago I read a shocking story in new York Times how drug companies have increased prices for certain drugs by 1000%. Those drugs were used for treating newborn babies with heart failure problems. This is the capitalism at its finest. Those companies simply use the desperation of mothers who would do anything to save their children, so those bastard companies simply pumped up prices. The same way many companies increase prices endlessly, because the competition is not an issue for sectors where people have no substitute services or products. For example- utilities, insurance,banking,medicine etc. That is why socialism ir preferrable just for one simple reason- so that those bloody corporations could not become too greedy. No matter how greedy the government is, they simply pale in comparison to private companies. Why rice prices are not exploding? because they can`t ! Increase the price for rice and people will buy corn, potatoes, etc. Why dentist is so expensive? Simple. It can ! You are not going to walk around with a toothache anyway, so they know you will return. Capitalism polarizes wealth at its extreme. Socialism equalizes it. Capitalism is only good for one thing- a continuous competition between manufacturers pushes them to constantly improve their products. USSR fell for that single reason, actually- the lack of competition had bred the whole manufacturing sector at low quality. And once the gates were open for imports, the card house fell.

[edit on 08.15.09 by Advancedboy]



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 12:52 AM
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Originally posted by rich23

Originally posted by Wimbly
Trust me, we're just as bored of having Canadians and other people who aren't American, telling us what will work and what we want. In fact, I'd say the ribbing your NHC is taking from us, is a direct result of people not minding their own business.


I couldn't care less about how dumb the American health care system is, but when people start talking ignorant trash about our health care system, they'd better be ready for a reality check.

Currently, the US spends twice as much (16% GDP as opposed to 8% GDP) on its health care as the UK, but as other posters have remarked, providers do as much as they can to exclude people from treatment.

And I just love the way every time I raise the point about how the people who complain about their taxes being used to help people never kick up about their taxes being used to kill people... it gets ignored.

[edit on 17-8-2009 by rich23]


Exactly

I'm curious to hear what they have to say about that.




posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 12:55 AM
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American children have to say The Pledge of Allegiance at school every day
for years. Here is the pledge:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

The point is we are brainwashed to some degree. And previous American generations have been told from a very young age that America is the greatest place on earth. Well it probably was for many years, but it doesn't feel like that anymore.

When people start saying things like:"You know America doesn't really have the best health care in the world," then many of us go into Manchurian-Candidate mode. It doesn't compute. The reality is very different from the script have memorized and internalized. We aren't the best at everything, at least not anymore.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 12:56 AM
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Originally posted by Advancedboy
The capitalism works as long it doesn`t touch indispensable items and services. A year ago I read a shocking story in new York Times how drug companies have increased prices for certain drugs by 1000%. Those drugs were used for treating newborn babies with heart failure problems. This is the capitalism at its finest. Those companies simply use the desperation of mothers who would do anything to save their children, so those bastard companies simply pumped up prices.


I agree. They shouldn' thave made the drug in the first place. SCREW THEM. Who do they think they are developing new drugs and charging people for them ! The nerve!

So yeah.. they shouldn't have even had the drug produced, then the babies would just die .. as it should be!

No profit!



The same way many companies increase prices endlessly, because the competition is not an issue for sectors where people have no substitute services or products. For example- utilities, insurance,banking,medicine etc.


And all those cases the market distortion is actually a consequence of your government legislating such distortion. in almost every case that there is a monopoly it's because the Government created it by law.



That is why socialism ir preferrable just for one simple reason- so that those bloody corporations could not become too greedy. No matter how greedy the government is, they simply pale in comparison to private companies. Why rice prices are not exploding? because they can`t ! Increase the price for rice and people will buy corn, potatoes, etc. Why dentist is so expensive? Simple. It can ! You are not going to walk around with a toothache anyway, so they know you will return. Capitalism polarizes wealth at its extreme. Socialism equalizes it. Capitalism is only good for one thing- a continuous competition between manufacturers pushes them to constantly improve their products. USSR fell for that single reason, actually- the lack of competition had bred the whole manufacturing sector at low quality. And once the gates were open for imports, the card house fell.

[edit on 08.15.09 by Advancedboy]


What you said seems to be the caliber of economic understanding our govt is showing.

God help us.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 12:58 AM
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Originally posted by VinceP1974

Wooooo hooo! Spoken like a true demoralized cynic.


Humility in the age of the third Global Islamic Jihad.

Yeah.. we're the ignorant ones. LOL


I would consider myself cynical, and from the ignorance I've seen in this country and around the world yes I am very demoralized, the more I see of the way things are the less hopeful I am.

Also, I fail to see how Jihad fits in with what I said. The so called war on terror was a fraud and there is no global extremist network plotting to kill us all if you exclude the Global Elite that is


We are not the only ones ignorant but we take the cake in how blindly and arrogantly stupid we are even when the truth is staring us in the face. Our country was built on lies and blood. In this day and age with information so pervasive and truth only a click away (if you can sift through the lies) there is no excuse for us as a PLANET as a species to be lagging behind as far as we are.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 01:01 AM
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Originally posted by nickspm
American children have to say The Pledge of Allegiance at school every day
for years. Here is the pledge:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

The point is we are brainwashed to some degree. And previous American generations have been told from a very young age that America is the greatest place on earth. Well it probably was for many years, but it doesn't feel like that anymore.


Not with all you America haters running around it doesnt.





When people start saying things like:"You know America doesn't really have the best health care in the world," then many of us go into Manchurian-Candidate mode. It doesn't compute. The reality is very different from the script have memorized and internalized. We aren't the best at everything, at least not anymore.


And people like you will insist it remains that way.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 01:11 AM
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Lets all remember here the point of the OP is not to attack or criticize your American right to protest; or even lessen your personal opinion....its to remind you to use your "Manners"!!!!

Sure, free speech. You don't have to use your manners. You can walk around and spend your life being the rudest person in town. Why have manners, you ask? Well, I suppose they are unnecessary to function...however, integral to Integrity.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 01:12 AM
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Originally posted by VinceP1974

Not with all you America haters running around it doesnt.


Rush?

Dude we get it, you're a super-mega-patriot and the rest of us are you say jihadists.

Here enjoy: www.youtube.com...


Rock'n Roll!



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 01:15 AM
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I've been lurking among the many healthcare debate threads here for some time, trying to get a fix on where I stand in the issue. I've done a little research of my own as well, and frankly...I'm stumped. I've read fairly convincing evidence from both sides of the debate and it's forced me to take to the fence. On one hand, the bureaucracy that has plagued other government-run health care systems(my family has had personal experience with the BS that comes with the VA) leaves me skeptical that the public option has any hope of functioning properly, but on the other hand the current health care paradigm we have going now is pretty deplorable. So I guess it comes down to the fact that I believe that this country's health care system needs a serious overhaul, but that this bill isnt what we need and as time goes on, it seems to become even more hollow(what with the public option seemingly on it's last legs). But I still feel that some change, ANY change is better then no attempt at all.

So I'm going to continue to watch from this fence post until something really strong comes along and pushes me over.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 01:17 AM
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Originally posted by nickspm
American children have to say The Pledge of Allegiance at school every day
for years. Here is the pledge:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

The point is we are brainwashed to some degree. And previous American generations have been told from a very young age that America is the greatest place on earth. Well it probably was for many years, but it doesn't feel like that anymore.

When people start saying things like:"You know America doesn't really have the best health care in the world," then many of us go into Manchurian-Candidate mode. It doesn't compute. The reality is very different from the script have memorized and internalized. We aren't the best at everything, at least not anymore.


The U.S. has a lot more freedoms than most any country in the world, a lot of what we take for granted is what others simply don't have. Aside from maybe India and Hong Kong, I can think of no other countries that have the social and political freedoms we have...and those two countries don't really even come close. A lot of this "feels like it's no longer the greatest" is mostly rooted in the media's portrayal of America, and the new fear based system the media has created to pump up their ad dollars. We aren't perfect, but I wouldn't live anywhere else.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 01:21 AM
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Originally posted by RoboKy
I've been lurking among the many healthcare debate threads here for some time, trying to get a fix on where I stand in the issue. I've done a little research of my own as well, and frankly...I'm stumped. I've read fairly convincing evidence from both sides of the debate and it's forced me to take to the fence. On one hand, the bureaucracy that has plagued other government-run health care systems(my family has had personal experience with the BS that comes with the VA) leaves me skeptical that the public option has any hope of functioning properly, but on the other hand the current health care paradigm we have going now is pretty deplorable. So I guess it comes down to the fact that I believe that this country's health care system needs a serious overhaul, but that this bill isnt what we need and as time goes on, it seems to become even more hollow(what with the public option seemingly on it's last legs). But I still feel that some change, ANY change is better then no attempt at all.

So I'm going to continue to watch from this fence post until something really strong comes along and pushes me over.


We need health care reform...I am not for the public option or for single payer...I want more freedom in the system. The current debate has been turned into (by the media and the administration of course) as how it is now vs socializing it. There are far more options out there, that costs less and could (and my opinion would) work better.



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