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posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 01:22 AM
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Originally posted by Titen-Sxull

Originally posted by VinceP1974

Wooooo hooo! Spoken like a true demoralized cynic.


Humility in the age of the third Global Islamic Jihad.

Yeah.. we're the ignorant ones. LOL


I would consider myself cynical, and from the ignorance I've seen in this country and around the world yes I am very demoralized, the more I see of the way things are the less hopeful I am.

Also, I fail to see how Jihad fits in with what I said. The so called war on terror was a fraud and there is no global extremist network plotting to kill us all if you exclude the Global Elite that is


The Jihad is important becuase whether you know it or not all of this naysaying you're engaging in is part of a aggregation of deliberate enfeeblement.

You live at the height of mankind's advancement and wealth and you're going around blathering about the country being built on blood and lies.

Damn.. if people aren't satisfied with our society.. NO SOCIETY will ever measure up to these stupid Utopian expectations of perfection.

So.. there's people on the other side of earth who have religious obligation to obliterate from earth all forms of man-made government.

They honestly think that their culture and values and teachings are the solution to the problems of the world. And that any government that is not in accordance with the Sharia law is form of blasphemy.. because Allah is One. His law is One. His government is One.
Allah has declared in his Koran that the world is to be One under his single ruler, the Caliph.

since Islam is more than just a religion.. it's a Constitution, system of law, government, war, etc... anyone that advocates for any system that opposes it is engaging in Shirk.. Shirk is like idolatry. Shirk is the biggest sin in Islam.

So they firmly believe they will be doing what is good and proper by steadily working towards the global imposition of Sharia law and long before that, the restoration of the only legal Islamic government, the Caliphate.

The Sunni groups are working toward that , the Shiite groups are working towards that. All of them in their own various ways as they understand Mohemmed's method of the original establishment of Islam.

The forms of assault that our soceity is going to be faced with is not going to be diminishing.. they are going to increase .. on all fronts. Increasing exponentially. Not only from the Muslims, but from our own stupid people who have been taught to be utterly contemptuous of their own country and history.


And the way they see it... they will win. After all they think the West is corrupt and immoral and not only that.. they have people like so many of the peolpe here WHO AGREE WITH THEM.

I refuse to beat up on my country. You want to cry because it was built on blood.... name me a country that wasn't. Get over it.


If people refuse to defend their hertigate and country, they are inviting war because there are forces out there who are more than willing to give you the cultural cleansing that you seem to be wishing for.

They will be grateful to have the oppurtunity to offer you Allah's gift of justice and peace... Islam.. by doing dawa and inviting you to join them and if you don't .. well you have already told them what you're clinging to is a corruption.. and their mission is to reform the corruption by impsing thier death cult.

Those who refuse to take pride in thier culture and defend it will find it at risk by those who agree with you. And then it will be too late as something much much worse either destroys it totally or takes it place.

I base all the above on years of reading what they're writing.

You think it's all an invention... well what can i say.. people are being slaughtered all over the world but i guess since its not the USA doing the killing, those victims are to remain deliberately excluded from your knoweldge because after all if theyre' being slaughered and we're not the ones doing... then *OMG* maybe there's worse things than the USA out there.

There goes that 1968 worldview , right out the window. Can't have that.




posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 01:48 AM
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Originally posted by VinceP1974

Damn.. if people aren't satisfied with our society.. NO SOCIETY will ever measure up to these stupid Utopian expectations of perfection.


Hang on just a second, I just finished reading your post and I have to stop myself before I laugh myself into a coma


Okay, okay, I think I got control of it. First off I agree, we cannot form a perfect society, mainly because there is no such thing as perfection. That being said, just because Utopia is out of reach does not mean that we can't strive toward a better world together. Just because things suck doesn't mean we should allow them to remain, throw up our hands in defeat and go "We'll never get it perfect, so why even bother!"



They honestly think that their culture and values and teachings are the solution to the problems of the world. And that any government that is not in accordance with the Sharia law is form of blasphemy.. because Allah is One. His law is One. His government is One.
Allah has declared in his Koran that the world is to be One under his single ruler, the Caliph.

since Islam is more than just a religion.. it's a Constitution, system of law, government, war, etc... anyone that advocates for any system that opposes it is engaging in Shirk.. Shirk is like idolatry. Shirk is the biggest sin in Islam.


Okay, so let me get this straight, Muslims are secretly taking over the world? Seems just as prejudiced as the theory that Jews rule the world despite the fact that the Global Elite and wealthy are multi-cultural scumbags not Muslims, not Jews, not Christians, just greedy dirty manipulators. Of course they honestly believe their system is the right one, its their system, if they didn't think it was right they would change it. Don't you just blindly assume the American system and culture is better than the one of your self-fabricated super-group of Muslims. Seems to me Christians once spread their faith with an iron fist too. My point is that no one, anywhere, would accept such a system of law, ever and this secret force of super powerful Muslims you seem to think are coming to get you just doesn't exist.




The forms of assault that our soceity is going to be faced with is not going to be diminishing.. they are going to increase .. on all fronts. Increasing exponentially. Not only from the Muslims, but from our own stupid people who have been taught to be utterly contemptuous of their own country and history.


Again you are fabricating enemies where none exist, or where the enemies are hardly a threat. I've never met any American who hates America, perhaps there are many disenchanted with the farce that America has become and who are angry to learn that the country's origin is just as riddled with horror as the history's of most countries we were told weren't as good or decent or honorable as us.



I refuse to beat up on my country. You want to cry because it was built on blood.... name me a country that wasn't. Get over it.


So your loyalty is to the Country ABOVE and BEYOND any loyalty who hold to the truth of our origin. If you look at American history you will understand why America is the faux Republic you see broken before you today and then it all becomes clear that the whole thing was a big lie. And once you come to terms with the truth and realize it transcends the lies you had been told you can cut off the puppet strings from this country and move forward. Or would you prefer we bury the past and make those same mistakes again, perhaps bring back slavery and have another civil war




If people refuse to defend their hertigate and country, they are inviting war because there are forces out there who are more than willing to give you the cultural cleansing that you seem to be wishing for.


Our "heritage" was genocide of the native Americans, Slavery, Racism, and becoming a corporate consumer whore of a nation. What would I fight for, I'd fight for what America was meant to be, what was written down in the Constitution that was never quite lived up to. About we fight for a better future using our brains rather than fear, imperialism, and ignorance.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 02:03 AM
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Originally posted by LoneGunMan
Are you stating women are property? I think you are?!?!?

It saddens me that there are people out there that support the idea of women as property.


in socialism people are property, so yes, women AND men are property...of the state..

i mean really, did no one learn this stuff at all?!?



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 02:12 AM
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First sentence calls Americans intellectually challenged. Yet you didn't use proper grammar.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 02:14 AM
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Originally posted by paranoiaFTW
First sentence calls Americans intellectually challenged. Yet you didn't use proper grammar.


Yes because proper grammar and spelling is the ONLY measure of intelligence.

Honestly though you can't be serious...



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 02:19 AM
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Originally posted by injunfeller

in socialism people are property, so yes, women AND men are property...of the state..

i mean really, did no one learn this stuff at all?!?


Erm ... no actually.

Where did you learn that?

Please, educate us how in socialism people are property.

This should be good.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 02:22 AM
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I agree... Americans have it real good... just jhave a look at what goes on in

my country... South Africa (The Rainbow nation)?!?!

13 Year old Raped!

www.iol.co.za...

10 year old Raped!

www.iol.co.za...

3 Year old Raped!

www.iol.co.za...

1 Year old Raped!

www.iol.co.za...

And this is just this month!

It doesn't stop!

Seems we've been supplying weapons to half the world...

www.iol.co.za...

And..... wait for it....... OUR PRESIDENT IS CORRUPT!

www.iol.co.za...

Yes the charges were dropped... how convenient!

His buddy who was involved went to prison but was recently released

because of a terminal illness!

www.iol.co.za...

SOUTH AFRICA... the JOKE of the WORLD!!





[edit on 18-8-2009 by halfmanhalfamazing]



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 02:30 AM
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Originally posted by Titen-Sxull



Hang on just a second, I just finished reading your post and I have to stop myself before I laugh myself into a coma


Just because things suck doesn't mean we should allow them to remain, throw up our hands in defeat and go "We'll never get it perfect, so why even bother!"


Well in a sense that's exactly what you're saying and those like you. "This country sucks.. there's no redeeming it. There's no good to it. We need to be humbled. We're arrogant" blah blah blah

Who should humble us? I'd love to know the answer to that. And what other country do you see (well other than ones deeper in the grasp of suicidal Leftists) who go around telling the world how humble they're going to be.

I can see why you laugh at what I'm saying becuase you dont have a real good grasp on the real world, how good you have it, how bad things can get. You laugh because you think there's no possible way any of the mind-numbing complaining you do can actually threaten your spoiled life. So to hear me say that that attitude is not good enough is probably an amusement. That's the mentality in so many today..

The level of complacency in a time of so many risks is irrational.





Okay, so let me get this straight, Muslims are secretly taking over the world?


I didn't say anything about if they're achieving what they want, merely that they will to do so. If they have the means is really up to us.... the only way they could defeat us if we let them.

So keep denying they exist.. that's one way you let them advance.

And it's no secret. Read a damn book , they publically proclaim what they're doing.. because what they're doing is one of the core principles of Islam. But your arrogant complacency tells you to ignore them... look at how you dismissively mock the notion .


Here's the past few weeks of thier activity in news .lines

Bosnia: Muslim spiritual leader urges more Sharia law

Ayatollah sees global Islamic 'Mahdi' army- Calls for Muslims to unite under coming Messiah

Kuwait Islamic Bank Successfully Imposes Shariah in the USA


Netherlands: 'Apartheid at Islamic Schools'

NY Muslims:Collect the Jizya from the Jews and Christians~Video

Afghanistan:Female Marines don Head Scarves

Disgrace: Yale removes Mohammed cartoons from book about … Mohammed cartoons

Christians Be.ed in Somalia by "Religion of Peace"

Mohamed Most Popular Baby Name in Dutch Cities

Ohio:17 Year-old Girl Threatened With Death for Leaving Islam

NY Muslims:Koran Says to Terrorize Them, so we Have to Prepare Weapons

NY Muslims:The Cross Will be Broken, all Will Have to Convert

Pakistan. Christians Hit by Islamic "Purity" Pogroms

All of it totally justified in their eyes.. and that's just a fraction of what is going on.


Seems just as prejudiced as the theory that Jews rule the world despite the fact that the Global Elite and wealthy are multi-cultural scumbags not Muslims, not Jews, not Christians, just greedy dirty manipulators. Of course they honestly believe their system is the right one, its their system, if they didn't think it was right they would change it. Don't you just blindly assume the American system and culture is better than the one of your self-fabricated super-group of Muslims. Seems to me Christians once spread their faith with an iron fist too. My point is that no one, anywhere, would accept such a system of law, ever and this secret force of super powerful Muslims you seem to think are coming to get you just doesn't exist.


What's prejudiced is your knee-jerk assumption that the factual statements I made are false.

I researched this for a decade. You obvious seem completely surprised by the notion , so that means you have spent ZERO time doing the most minimal amount of work to inform yourself about the world you live in.

You can change the subject to what happened a gazillion years ago, as if that somehow means that what the Jihadis are doing today isn't happening.

You can irrationally try to use moral equivalence or compare them to other religions and whatever else you'll grasp at to somehow change the subject ...just admit.. You have no idea what the Muslims really believe, you are apparently completely clueless about their methods and aims and traditions.. but you'll engage in the suicidal usage of political correctness to convince yourself that I must be wrong because what I'm saying isn't nice.

It's hard to take anything you say seriously. You engage in nothing but cliched sloganeering about the big horrible USA , you deny we're in a genuine conflict and you deny the stated aims of our enemies.

Yet you show no evidence at all of having any knowledge of Islam

Your the epitome of everything that is wrong with our culture, you've been brainwashed to have no ability to think critically and independently. But at least your sense of sanctimony isn't impaired. Good luck with it.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 02:42 AM
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Well, there is a problem with socialism as a great equalizer. Socialism can only work in a rich society, or in a society where MIDDLE CLASS is prevalent and the economy is based on industries and balanced trade and exports. if a country is polarized like USA, the equalization will bring down the quality of the whole medical system, because the productive part of the society( added value industries) would pay for the healthcare of the non-productive. Thus, the amount of money needed to support the non-productive society will dilute the system as such. The bigger the non-productive part of the society, the bigger the dilution. It is either the harsh reality of capitalism , where the productive population( wealthy, earning) receive high quality healthcare, or we have humane socialistic medicare where everyone is given somewhat average care through taxation of the productive population.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 02:43 AM
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Why is it so acceptable for the rest of the world to be critical of America, yet we can't point out obvious problems with health care and other social programs in these countries? And in responce to American wars, if I remember correctly the taliban in Afghanistan were harboring Bin Laden, and the Iraqi government was in violation of UN Sanctions and were refusing to allow UN inspectors into the country, the only thing illegal with the Iraqi war was the failure of the UN to enforce its own Iraqi policy. The UN knew we could not risk the possibility of Saddam having WMD's and knew that we had no reason to suspect he didn't have WMD's with his unwillingness to cooperate with inspectors. So the UN took advantage of 9/11 knowing the US could not risk another major attack and let America foot the bill of the war in Iraq.

So many people here want to say that because we spend more on health care, and have a higher mortality rate/lower life expectancy than other countries that our system is inferior. Yet the life expectancy rate arguement doesnt take into consideration the accountability of personal behavior and natural causes. Many Americans are constantly on the go and sacrifice the sit down dinner with a quick fast food meal. We do have excess wealth and many of our youth and some adults spend that money on illegal drugs, alcaholic products and ciggerates. We also have more die every year in car accidents, and we are dealing with a very serious obeseity issue.

The best way to distinguish health care from personal behavior is to consider survival rates from serious diseases, such as various cancers and cardiovascular diseases. Let me refer to studies published in Lancet in 2007 it compares cancer survival rates over a 5 year period for the US, the United Kingdom, and the European Union. The study covers diagnosis, treatment plans, and access to needed drugs, they found that the United States scored better on all three aspects. As a result, five-year cancer survival rates are far better in the US: they are about 65% for both men and women, whereas they are much lower in all the other Countries studied. Cancer survival report

Folks if there is indeed a problem with our insurance companies in this country, then let us take up our problems with them. If so many of us are paying for a product where services aren't rendered than we have ways to fight that. Forming alliances and coalitions of interest groups that will take big insurance to court for its wrong doing. Any option is better than blindly handing over health care to the government. We see how well they run these types of programs and we saw how they responded to simple protesting, how would they respond if the reform bill passed and Americans realized this bills failures, and there was mass civil unrest, I'm sure you can figure that one out. I much rather fight big insurance through the proper channels and litigation, than taking to the streets agianst the most advanced military in history.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 02:49 AM
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While it is all very entertaining reading all the virulent posts, not to mention the mental images of everyone sitting at their keyboards, steam coming out of their ears, banging out post after post of absolutely toxic text, I cannot help but notice just how much of a distraction this topic is.

More of a distraction than all the threads about the birth certificate.

More of a distraction than the 9/11 threads, really.

Apparently someone has been successful in averting your eyes from the prize. Dare I say it, ATS itself appears complicit in the distraction.



Anyone remember why they're really here?


Just a thought.....



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 02:53 AM
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That just makes me sick. I can't even begin to comprehend. I hate where America is .ed, but that reminds me how much we still have to be thankful for. Yes stuff like that happens here but grusome acts like that on babies is far and few between.
Is it true they do that because they believe it will cure them of aids? I heard that somewhere.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 03:11 AM
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Is it true they do that because they believe it will cure them of aids? I heard that somewhere.



Yes it is true... unfortunately the majority of our country is uneducated and

believe in stupid myths like these. They believe that sleeping with a virgin will

cure AIDS, unfortunately they also see babies and small children as easy

targets and certain virgins.

They are so blinded by their beliefs that they voted for Jacob Zuma after he had been in court on rape charges and corruption charges!

He slept with person that had AIDS( he knew) and said in court that he doesn't have AIDS because he took a shower after intercourse!?!?



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 03:13 AM
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According to the Bilderbergers ( they don`t call themselves that way) the wealth of society( excluding productive part of society) is not welcome. I will explain why. If generally a society is wealthy it creates an unprecedented growth of population, yet the productiviy simply can`t catch up with it. Populations only explode in such societies where there are no hampering factors,like winter, regulated utility prices, proper accomodation system, ,and other first necessity pre-determiners. What Bilderbergers want, is the growth of the productive part of the society, which in order would turn back more taxes . Yet it does not happen , for the educated families tend to have less children. What happens is that non-productive society grows faster than the productive one, creating a huge budget burden to keep the infrastructure functioning. And now you will ask me , why the population of Africa is exploding, yet Japan shrinking? I wil return to that after a short commercial. Stay tuned!



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 03:38 AM
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I am 100% Canadian, and I tell you what you damn Americans and your big .s. Watching these videos Boils my blood.Americans watching these
videos just an fyi a. of time they are not compliments to your Ego's

Enjoy the Stupidity.. "Canadians with ambition move the the U.S OMG can't stop laughing". And wth? Dog sledding?.

www.youtube.com...



www.youtube.com...


This one is Priceless!! You yanks are so dumb
www.youtube.com...


And to end this post. This is why you don't have free healthcare
www.boingboing.net...

www.medicalnewstoday.com...
And good luck growing those Veggies with dumb laws like this
boingboing.net...


Hey make sure you watch every Video. Have a good laugh.


I'll BE BACK!



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 03:55 AM
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This video of a puppet dog set Canada into a hysterical breakdown



So yeah.. Americans are dumb... but Canadians get upset over a puppet.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 04:03 AM
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Please stop flaming and trolling the site. If you want to prove something be more constructive! You see, it doesn matter if Americans know the geography well or not. A dumbass girl that knows nothing of geography but can bake a wonderful cheesecake and sell it is far more valuable asset to economy ,than a smartass prick who knows the capital of Nauru yet produces nothing of value. Dear friends knowledge itself is nothing, what matters is its application. What is far more important is the percantage of the population within one country that is capable of and is given a proper chance to translate a potential and knowledge into added value products and services. Has it to do anything with nationalities? yes!!! Has it anything to do with Americans? No!



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 04:06 AM
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I am Canadian and Don't even consider Quebec part of Canada. Not to many years ago they had a vote to Become there own country. Not all of us support the french and a very small % of canada like 15% speak French.


All I said was watch the videos and have a laugh.

[edit on 18-8-2009 by Talinator]



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 04:28 AM
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Originally posted by KSPigpen


I don't see that what's going on in America is any of your business, if you don't live here.


Its funny that you say that , when america takes an interest in every other country!

Having health care paid for by your government should be a good thing right? After all you arent being told you cant have an operation because a computer tells you that you arent insurable!
Cmon free health care is great, ITS FREE!

Sure everyone complains about free healthcare in the UK , thats because our idiot government doesnt fund it enough, instead they want to build bombs and military defense , Now i wonder where they got that idea from?

Having free health care isnt going to turn you into a communist, although garaunteed thats what alot of americans think , well at least the ones who are still alive from the cold war era!



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 05:05 AM
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Originally posted by VinceP1974

Well in a sense that's exactly what you're saying and those like you. "This country sucks.. there's no redeeming it. There's no good to it. We need to be humbled. We're arrogant" blah blah blah

Who should humble us? I'd love to know the answer to that. And what other country do you see (well other than ones deeper in the grasp of suicidal Leftists) who go around telling the world how humble they're going to be.


Those like me, you don't know me well enough to put me in a group good sir and if you did know me well you would know not to put me in any such "those like you" group at all. I never said there was no redeeming this nation in fact if you read my post I say quite the opposite, I say that we need to wake up to the truth and move forward, even if that truth hurts.

The wise humble themselves. Would you prefer we continue this unfounded arrogance until it comes to bombs and bloodshed, or shall we take another look at the world and realize we're not the greatest thing since sliced bread and maybe we should all be working together instead of being the bully of the world.



I can see why you laugh at what I'm saying becuase you dont have a real good grasp on the real world, how good you have it, how bad things can get. You laugh because you think there's no possible way any of the mind-numbing complaining you do can actually threaten your spoiled life. So to hear me say that that attitude is not good enough is probably an amusement. That's the mentality in so many today..

The level of complacency in a time of so many risks is irrational.


I never said we should be complacent. I merely think that you have an irrational fear that Muslims are taking over the world. I'm well aware there's a few nutjobs out there who would like to take over the world, the good news is that many of them are from different religions and these religions often fight each other. In fact most ideologies in general believe they are the only correct ideology and that others must be stamped out, this is dangerous thinking, we need teamwork and compromise if we want to survive.



I didn't say anything about if they're achieving what they want, merely that they will to do so. If they have the means is really up to us.... the only way they could defeat us if we let them.

So keep denying they exist.. that's one way you let them advance.


Like I said above, many ideologies seek to stamp out their opponents, this doesn't meant they are getting their way or that they are even a threat.



And it's no secret. Read a damn book , they publically proclaim what they're doing.. because what they're doing is one of the core principles of Islam. But your arrogant complacency tells you to ignore them... look at how you dismissively mock the notion .


Public proclamation does not amount to truth. One can proclaim anything, I could proclaim myself ruler of the world, doesn't make it so. What tells me to ignore them is that I have seen no evidence that they are a threat.



Here's the past few weeks of thier activity in news .lines

Bosnia: Muslim spiritual leader urges more Sharia law


It makes sense to me that a Muslim leader would want Sharia Law. And this is in Bosnia, not America.





Kuwait Islamic Bank Successfully Imposes Shariah in the USA


Can I get a link to this information, this sentence does not convince me. Same goes for all the other .lines you posted, links please and some proof that these are more than scattered .lines taken out of context in an oversaturated news world.

Plus, on what authority does a bank set up Shariah Law in the entire united states


Even if they proclaim it they will be ignored.




What's prejudiced is your knee-jerk assumption that the factual statements I made are false.

I researched this for a decade. You obvious seem completely surprised by the notion , so that means you have spent ZERO time doing the most minimal amount of work to inform yourself about the world you live in.


Surprised? Not at all, I've heard a lot of whoppers in my day, few surprise me. Ten years? Really? Ten years spent researching it and you end up on ATS debating with me, my condolences. How does your claim that Islam is trying to slowly conquer the world differ from those tired old claims about Jews or Christians that I mentioned. Even if all three groups were indeed vying for control the three would either keep each other in check or all be part of one massive system that uses these religions as covers. There are Conspiracy theorists, to be sure, who have spent ten years studying the way Zionists or Jews control the world and I'm sure they are as convinced as you are.




You can irrationally try to use moral equivalence or compare them to other religions and whatever else you'll grasp at to somehow change the subject ...just admit.. You have no idea what the Muslims really believe, you are apparently completely clueless about their methods and aims and traditions.. but you'll engage in the suicidal usage of political correctness to convince yourself that I must be wrong because what I'm saying isn't nice.


Its true, I don't know EXACTLY what Muslims believe but I'm fairly sure that most of them don't want to take over the world and that those that do can be stopped fairly easily. Do you really think there's a chance in Hell that these fringe groups of Muslims are going to actually impose Sharia Law on us? There's no way. Do you have any idea how fast the American people would revolt? Even if the Muslims managed to hi-jack the government most Military men and women would stand with the American people against them. I just don't see it as a true threat in any sense.



It's hard to take anything you say seriously. You engage in nothing but cliched sloganeering about the big horrible USA , you deny we're in a genuine conflict and you deny the stated aims of our enemies.


Cliched slogans. Everything I said was true, if you consider the truth cliche then that's you issue. And once again anyone can state their aims, carrying them out is something else.



Yet you show no evidence at all of having any knowledge of Islam


I visited a Mosque once. The people I met there seemed as down to Earth as you or me. Its the handful of fanatics we have to worry about.




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