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posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 09:16 PM
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Unless it has changed, I think more people are trying to get into this country that get out. The last time I checked, the guards at the borders didn't have to use guns to keep people in the USA.
This argument over who's health care system is better or worse is meaninglesss to me. I don't live in a foreighn country, I live in the USA. I don't care how they do their health care over there, but i do care how they do it here.
Any one with a brain knows that if the government runs it, it will be screwed up. History speaks volumes on this idea. When looking at the health care issue, just remember, it's not really just about health care, it's about control. The government wants it, but they underestimated the hate of the American people for more government intrusion into their lives.

Obama has shown his naiviety of understanding real people. When you surround yourself with drones who only tell you what you want to hear, it's a different world when you talk to real people that have actually had to work for a living--it's called the real world. Those kool-aid drinking leemings working for Obama don't have a clue what most Americans think, but they are learning.
If someone wants socialized medicine, go to Canada, and get on a list for rationed care. Don't let the door bump you in the butt on the way out.

Last thing I would like someone to explain to me. I live in an area with a lot of Mexican immigrants, both legal, and illegal. Why do they need free medical care paid for by me under a new health care reform package.?? They already get FREE medical care in the present system---paid for by my taxes. Most poor people receiving government subsidies under the current guidlines receive FREE medical care already, paid by my tax dollars. Tell me I'm wrong.
The only explanation I see, is that the government just wants more control. That's what it's all about--always has been, always will be.
The Obama people just don't get it. Americans are tired of being taxed to death, and it has all come to a head over the Health care reform. and the Stimulus program. None of this has done a darn thing in real terms for the tax paying real people. everyone knows the middleclass is going to bear the burden of paying for this crap. It's not a Democratic issue, or a republican issue, it's a control issue. people have had enough, and the Messiah Obama, and his kool-aid drinking lackeys have finally encountered some opposition, even from their own party. it's about time
keep your darn health reform package, I don't want it.




posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 09:18 PM
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Oh gosh, a Québécois plant? No, I'm not a pansy.


I just get tired of all this Obama worship, America is bad, Americans stink talk that comes from foreigners. They take our foreign aid both public and private, then talk bad about us. If I want that, I'll deal with family members more often. If they don't like us that much, all they have to do is lobby their government to reject foreign aid from the United States.

They need to remember who butters their bread, who they rely on for protection since their own armies are pathetic show pieces, who creates and innovates the technology they use every day, etc... It's us dirty Americans.

So, yeah, people can consider it ill mannered if they wish. The truth often is.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 09:20 PM
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Well pal.

The "permissive left" is the reason why a nations culture goes to pot.
They allow "leeches" in to suck off of the govt. tit without giving anything back.

The "permissive left" is what gets a people so dependent on the govt. tit that they become as H.G. Wells' lotus eaters. Surrounded by technology but too stupid to do anything with it.

You are tired of the US? Fine. The next time (and there will be a "next time" yalls butt gets in a jam-dont depend on our military to save your asses. Get your own military together.

You want to be a socialist? Fine. Stay where you are. Hey, better yet! Why not go to the "workers paradise" the USSR?

Have fun. Enjoy your part of the govt. tit.


[edit on 17-8-2009 by felonius]



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by felonius

You want to be a socialist? Fine. Stay where you are. Hey, better yet! Why not go to the "workers paradise" the USSR?


What the hell is going on, did we time slip back to the 80s?

You didn't just say "go back to Russia" did you?


This just gets better and better ...

At this pace the OP is going to be a prophet in a couple of days.

Sheesh.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 09:24 PM
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Wow, so much hate going on. Can we at least keep it half way civil.
Yes our healthcare system is broken, but you don't fix a broken leg by cutting off the foot. Yes we had it good at one point, but its been on a rapid down hill decline for a while now, but at least we still have it better than most other countries, and we are going to fight to keep it that way. If your healthcare system is so great why aren't we all flocking over to your country to get medical care? Instead its people from all the other countries trying to get to America. Sure we could afford to try to understand other countries and cultures better, we are pretty ignorant in that, but gosh darn it, I want my country back the way it was be before apathy took over.Totally or own fault by the way.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 09:30 PM
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Can anyone tell me why a citizen from one country could possibly be in love with The President from a whole different country? How the Fricking A is that even possible?



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by Mailman
Can anyone tell me why a citizen from one country could possibly be in love with The President from a whole different country? How the Fricking A is that even possible?


Its a Canadian obsession, they follow everything America does. They can't help it. Its hard playing 2nd fiddle.

Come on little brother Canada, Let big brother USA give you a hug. We luv ya little buddy.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 09:40 PM
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Duh... America is completely built (not necessarily originally) upon producing ignorant, arrogant people. Our media is better at it than anywhere else in the world. Don't waste your time being angry at Americans, most of us are about as bright as a burned out lightbulb.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
At this pace the OP is going to be a prophet in a couple of days.

Sheesh.


I think after reading some of these posts the OP seems like is onto something. :shk:

Did any of you that are embarrassing the USA even read your own posts before hitting the send button?

Is the TV softening the American mind or what?


I cant seem to find too many reasonable people to even talk to anymore. Everyone is just nuts. Frickin frackin mad I tell you.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 09:43 PM
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When you get right down to it, this Healthcare reform is socialist. We as Americans are not socialist and are supposed to keep our gov't in check, and out of every personal aspect of our life. It has nothing to do with "Social Evolution" as some people try to put it, it is simply our beliefs and upholding our Constitution. Now as for being broke. If you go to the hospital they have to treat you. They are not gonna let you die. The people in America who support this bill are only lazy and do not want to pay for healthcare.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 09:48 PM
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Why the hell do threads like this get so many flags and stars? The OP, like a grade A pr!ck, broadly paints all Americans as idiots and then spouts off a series of talking points that are nothing new.

I'm starting to think that all many ATS'ers care about is bombast and sensationalism, much like the MSM they so fervently condemn. This site is getting wack(ier)!



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 09:53 PM
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I'm sorry, I couldn't get past your first sentence. It seemed you tried to insult the intelligence of Americans but I couldn't quite figure out if you did.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by kingoftheworld
Now as for being broke. If you go to the hospital they have to treat you. They are not gonna let you die. The people in America who support this bill are only lazy and do not want to pay for healthcare.


No they do not have to treat you. If you go in for anything but difficulty breathing, bleeding, aneurysm/stroke, heart attack or broken bones they can and will send you home without care. They only have so many charity cases they can do per month.

Also if you dont have insurance you will get minimal care if you do have a life threatening condition.

You should research before you post.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 10:08 PM
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We know that we already have care for everyone. It is a myth that we do not.

We know chances of survival are better here than anywhere else.

We know that people from countries with single payer systems come here in droves for our better quality care including your leaders.

We know the government screws up everything it touches and that the free market system equals the very best care.

I don't think we are so naive.

Here if I'm injured at work and have a hernia as a result, I can get the surgery within a few days and be back to work in a few weeks. Costs a little more but the savings more than make up for that. I met a man in White Horse in the Yukon in Canada who waited 18 months for a simple hernia surgery. He lost 18 months of his income plus recovery time. Also since hernia's continue to tear the longer you wait, his hernia was far worse. I've had two of them so I know were of I speak. The longer you wait the worse it is. Had he come here and paid cash, he would have saved lots of money. That's what happens when a government runs the show. It cost him far more under a ridiculous system.

I don't think we are nearly as naive as those who live in a place where they don't know any better. We cant expect people who have never enjoyed a system like ours to understand the difference. Not your fault. You have nothing to compare it too.

FYI - Next time somebody tells you the US does not have universal care, you can call them a liar and be telling the truth. I can walk into any emergency room and get immediate treatment for everything from the flu to a broken bone with no money. If I can't pay, I can fill out some documents and prove I can't pay and it is free.

I had to take my Wife in for a Gaul Bladder problem recently. It was late at night and the MD's were not busy. I ended up in an extended conversation with the Doctor. He told me they can get payment for any procedure providing the person fills out the documents and follows through. He said the problem is apathy. People never follow through and screw over the Hospital. That is the true story.

Sorry you have been fooled by the Partisan bickering instead of knowing the truth of the matter.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 10:09 PM
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Too many Americans live in an ignorant state of "omg we are so oppressed," it's sad. I understand wanting to protect freedoms, but there are so many that just don't realize just how good they have it. Just blissfully unaware of what a paradise America is, compared to so many other countries.

The healthcare system we have now is a sham. A joke. A complete mess. So the first president in quite awhile to try and do something about it is being compared to Hitler!? You've gotta be kidding me. Yea.. Hitler was always trying to reform healthcare. What jerk Obama is!



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 10:11 PM
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*(first off, I would like to apologize to any and all for what I am about to say, if too abrasive, except these types of canadians)*


Who is talking down to who now?
I have lived in canada for quite a few years and I couldn't wait to get back to America, even with all of our problems. canadians are not so smart either. Listen up America! All of this hype about canadians (yes lower cased 'c' is all the respect you get from me) being so intelligent and nice???? It's all a crock. When I was in canada, they were the rudest people I had ever met in my life and I have lived in 5 different countries. They are judgmental, and for example, the tone of this post is what you get in canada in spades, if you actually go there and stay awhile.The worst part is that (as if you couldn't tell from this post) they are braggarts and have absolutely nothing to back it up with except for, what they consider to be the holy grail of what it takes to be a good country.......free healthcare.....which I might add is not really free....there is a small percentage you still have to pay for meds. Even if it was free.....I can say from personal experience that their doctors here are jokes, that's why it's so cheap...they don't even deserve to be paid. I had one doctor to actually ask me what I thought was wrong with a patient once when the patient started convulsing.....I have no medical experience at all and he wanted my opinion, I kid you not. The good doctors go where? That's right, (you're such a smart canadian), they go to the states. Their governments in canada are nothing more than monopolies and make you pay outrageous prices on gas and electric bills and they jack prices up in the stores at the most inopportune moments so they can stick it to your pocket book.Why? Because they can and there's noting you can do about it, as in canada, there is no freedom of choice. Even their Internet Service Providers (in an attempt to bring in new competition per request of the people) brought in new competition alright, THEMSELVES! They created another ISP and named it something else and wala, a new service,.....THEY ARE THEIR OWN COMPETITION! I traced the isp of the 2 (allegedly different) ISP's and they are working from the same servers. Now either the main ISP (in the province I lived in) was sharing their servers with their competition,(which is not logical) or both companies are using the same servers because the competition ISP is actually the main ISP as well. They brag about having a socialist government to the world yet here they complain about everything being monopolized and having no choices and how the government is always screwing them....you have no choice in anything you do and people are always picketing and crying about it. They brag about their government and then complain about it in their own country and just neglect to tell people in the world anything is happening. I know I lived there. They are the worst people I have ever met and that is no lie. Well we in America have our opinions about xenophobic imbeciles like you too. We in America are represented by media, movies and don't really get to speak for ourselves.We have freedom of speech, but because we were hijacked by rogue government...our voice just never gets any coverage, unless somehow associated with UFO's or a popular TV show of the unlearned few. Yet we have to constantly listen to scumbags like you judge us by an episode of cops, Americas most wanted, or Jerry Springer and think that ALL Americans are stupid, gun welding drug users. People like you are the ones who are stupid.........to judge a whole nation by what you see from a TV show. At least we were a superpower once, canada has always been nothing more than a super joke. That is proof that at least comparing citizen to citizen per capita........we are smarter than you. People from canada, don't run from canada to make something of themselves in the U.S. because WE are stupid, they do it because they are smart. The smart canadians know to leave canada if they want to have a chance at any decent life.. at least, before this recession hit. Oh, and get this, they still brag in canada about a couple of fights they won in the latter 1700's to early 1800's against the U.S. (before we were really founded as a nation) and speak as if it happened just yesterday. They constantly talk about it and brag about it to each other as if it were a trophy they must hold on to that is so dear to their culture or like an old man gathering children around the front porch step and telling them a story....they even run commercials on it there LOL, pathetic isn't it? What is really happening here is....is this is the ONLY accomplishment they ever really attained militarily and they have to keep reminding each other of it because if not....they will forget about the one or two fights they won 200 some years ago where they tripped and fell for "the win". The real truth is, that we could have taken their country from them every day since if we had so desired and they know it! That's why they hate us so much..Jealousy. Yet, we took the high road and protected those ungrateful children even more than their oppressive queen did. All I can say to you, you ungrateful xenophobe is ....YOU'RE WELCOME, for without us you would be speaking French (most of your provinces are already overtaken by the French as we speak) or German right now.
I judge you because i have lived amongst you....not from you TV.

[edit on 17-8-2009 by Phenomium]



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 10:13 PM
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You must have gone to a Columbia Medical Center. They used to do things like that. They got nailed to the wall and even some of their administrators went to prison. I know, I went through that


Most people assume that is true when in fact all they need to do is fill out the paperwork, a pain I know and follow through. The Hospitals get upset because people are so apathetic instead of following through so the Hospital gets paid they blame the Hospital for their own failure.

Imagine that. They get the care but won't take a few simple steps so those who help them get paid. Of course some are just lying and CAN afford to pay. That's why they don't do the paperwork. They know they are lying.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 10:15 PM
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We know how good it is....however, you do not. You are like the many simpletons that have been given the ability to voice their opinion but don’t realize how that came to be. There are many factors that contribute to your existence. You are not ready for it...but...When the time comes, you will know.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
I can walk into any emergency room and get immediate treatment for everything from the flu to a broken bone with no money. If I can't pay, I can fill out some documents and prove I can't pay and it is free.



This is not true. They only have so many charity cases they can do. In some hospitals in some area this can happen.

Read my above post.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by Phenomium

YOU'RE WELCOME, for without us you would be speaking French or German right now.


Well that clinches it.

Canada WOULD BE speaking French.


Priceless ...

OP you are a genius.


Oh and P, presumably your not using paragraphs because you're protesting French words.

Yikes.

Yeah nice try ... edit to add that those little parentheses were added post pwnage.


[edit on 17 Aug 2009 by schrodingers dog]



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