conscious Oobe....It's Real!!, page 115

reply to post by SpaceSilence

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basically you were asking if you could be in more places than just the 2 you are in -the answer is- yes .
when in the dream time you are asleep in bed . rem sleep says that you are dreaming . once you learn to dream you will feel the separation that takes place within you this is the dreamers body and it is pure spirit,why, fly or think go to say stone henge you will move as there is a force that is your will saying go and there is a force which seems to pull you to where your mind wants to go both are almost imperceptible but they are both there. the beauty of this is that when you become aware [know absolutely that you are dreaming] these feelings will become known to you.
if the need be to be in 2 places at once lets say you have asked to go to stone henge to speak with Arther and his court [and yes they are still there to help ] and then on the way there you hear a voice say come with me to the white room [a gathering place of the elders Plato socretes and so on they and many others are also there] the dreamers body can be twisted and separated into 2 distinct bodies and they can both go their separate ways to do that which must be done . think of it as the 2 strands of dna violently twisting in opposite directions and you will become undone as 2 dreamers ,one looks like you and the others eyes are different than what you are used to seeing.
the dreamer can go any place he or she wants in the creation -unless someone stops you ,with me it was a small oriental man who was sitting way out in the stars .he was just sitting there in the lotus position when i came upon him ,all he said was that you can go no further -listen as he is not saying that you can`t go farther he is saying that you are not yet ready to go farther no matter how good you are at dreaming.listen to he or she as they will be there to help you later . as to me i laughed at him and went around him but i did return i did not try to go farther something inside will tell you what i just did . the next time we bumped into one another he asked was i that funny -my answer was no it was the situation rhat was funny as to my way of thinking you should not have been there in the stars and yet you had to be there for me ,he bowed his head then raised it and that was all .

reply to post by hardstyleaz

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any of us whom have gone over to the other side have experienced this feeling and the emotions as to your description ,it is not the language that is the barrier it is the loss of a proper way to describe what you experienced ,words alone can not cut it .how do we describe perfection to the worlds people.i found that it is easier to sit across from someone in trying to explain it to them as they need to see the change that will come over you when you describe it to them face to face.
there is an incredible peace and calm that will come over you as you explain what you saw ,heard or were told as the time spent there may only be moments but it seems like an eternity -fleeting and then it is gone as you come back .
you have seen the spark of life which is within all life -it is described as light ,i am the truth ,i am the light .
with me everything was made of light that night trees ,grass fish and everything else,how do we show or explain this to you . i painted a picture of it using glow in the dark paint mixed with other colors ,as the light is dimmed in the room the light within the paint begins to glow with an inner radiance ,but it must be sen in the light of day before you turn the light down as this is how the luminous paint picks up its ability to shine . you have to see it to understand it .but your right if this is heaven i can`t wait to go home.

reply to post by Night Star

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the illusion of the so called physical self is what is known as the dream of the world as this is the same dream that we were all taught from day one was the truth,it is not true.think on it- from the day that we are all born we are taught that the trees are green, that the bark is rough,the table is wood and so on for everything that we think that we know is real was taught to us all and it is a lie as we create our own world on what we learn even though it is not real ,we believe it is as this is all that we know ,it is everyone else`s dream , or the conceptual concepts that everyone else believes in so it must be true -by the worlds standards ,wrong.
the bible says that you must take care of the physical self so that the spiritual self will grow . take dreaming for instance every thing that we see we see it as we see the world that we are taught is real and yet we know that we are dreaming -is not dreaming an aspect of the higher self or the spiritual self,yes it is -reread the story of Jacobs ladder again was he dreaming or was it an obe,it could be one in the same.as he states that all of this knowledge came to him [not in his waken state].
some of us who have crossed over and return come back to this world with not only knowledge but with exceptional gifts ,psychic,the ability to heal by touch,the ability to see within others and instantly know what is wrong with them [health wise] with no medical training what so ever,the ability to solve the worlds problems ,to be able to see into the future and the list goes on and on.one of the greatest things which happens to us is that we can be sitting there right in front of you and we shift our conscientious and we leave and most people don`t realize that we are gone until they talk to us and we don`t answer them ,they think we are space cookies but most of us don`t us anything at all .
all of us will tell you the same thing i died and yet i cannot die ,most of us stop using the word dead die or death,we call it going home.just because the body is no longer needed, does not mean that you cease to exist .you just seem to float away then you head out to the most beautiful place that you could imagine-words do not describe it it is a feeling and lightness ,it is the ability to move by thought alone ,it is amassing that you no longer have a care in the world for the world or anything as our conscientiousness grows we become one with the light and yet we are all separate souls or beings and words are no longer used by us as we all understand one another on a level most of us can`t reach here in the world.

reply to post by IC 1101

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I will indeed if I am fortunate enough to experience it.

reply to post by Valeri

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we here are not self centered nor are we egotistical,there is a time and place for it to happen for all of us. yanking someone out is not exactly a nice experience, it is better to have someone come in the dream time to help as when you acknowledge them and that they are standing there in your room with you then you are almost ready to leave ,then it is up to you when they ask are you coming . and they are not there in the physical and yet they do see you .we don`t do it for money if you have read a good many posts here the info we are giving is free ,so read listen and learn ,one of us will help when you are ready.

Originally posted by picrat
reply to post by Valeri

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we here are not self centered nor are we egotistical,there is a time and place for it to happen for all of us. yanking someone out is not exactly a nice experience, it is better to have someone come in the dream time to help as when you acknowledge them and that they are standing there in your room with you then you are almost ready to leave ,then it is up to you when they ask are you coming . and they are not there in the physical and yet they do see you .we don`t do it for money if you have read a good many posts here the info we are giving is free ,so read listen and learn ,one of us will help when you are ready.

ha? what was that all about? Why are you talking about money? I said profit-iobviously profit is anything,not jsut boring money.
Who is to say one is ready or not hmm?
And one of you ? Are you actualyl implying that you are one of those peopel who can easily come and help the person get out of the body while sleeping etc?
Oh well, if you think so I won't say anything.

[edit on 8/5/2009 by Valeri]

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