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I remeber a Staff Segeant Matt Maupin who was brutally murder and torture with out any trial at all.
... in september of 2003, my patrol came across two children whos parents had been brutally tortured and then murder by these TERRIOST THUGS, all because they were seen as helping American troops clean trash up....
Originally posted by earthman4
So far there are no military personel willing to get $15 an hour to get waterboarded. My point has been proven. Basic training gives the option to quit, torture does not. My country tortured a British citizen for 7 years and then found he was innocent. I am ashamed. Never again will we become our enemies.
Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by poedxsoldiervet
I remeber a Staff Segeant Matt Maupin who was brutally murder and torture with out any trial at all.
so that was wrong then - wasn't it? worse than wrong - there aren't words available to us that can adequately explain how wrong
... in september of 2003, my patrol came across two children whos parents had been brutally tortured and then murder by these TERRIOST THUGS, all because they were seen as helping American troops clean trash up....
I hope you'll listen to me when I say this - I really hope you're not too angry to understand
nobody should ever have to see the things you saw - nobody
I don't even understand how you're still able to function - because I would lose my mind - it's hard enough for me to even hear you talk about it
I have no argument with you - I have no idea what my position would be in reality - if I'd experienced any of what you've gone through
I only hope that you can reach a point someday where you see - it has to stop
there has got to be a person - a group - a country - that's strong enough to say - it has to stop
brutality solves nothing - not even with god on your side
there is no winning at this - for anyone
I remember doing drills in pouring rain for about 15-20 minutes. We were running in place and doing push ups.
I will be the first to admitt that war is not pretty and pretty much a waste of time. BUT when we as a world can not come together and unite as one, then we will continue to have WARS. I do agree I would love for the entire world to get together and Be at peace and Explore the Galaxy and cure dieseases. But right now its not going to happen I know that and you know that. For whatever reseaon ( pick one there are plenty) its not going to stop today. Maybe one day but I suspect you and I will be long from this exsitance.
Originally posted by mahtoosacks
reply to post by earthman4
youll pay me to let you pour water on my face??? SWEET!!
... i mean NO PLEASE DONT..... *WINK* I WONT TELL YOU ANYTHING!! *WINKWINK*
this is a pretty bad debate. noone is really getting anywhere.
the weenies say its bad. the hardasses think its weak. i dont see this changing anytime soon.
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Originally posted by mahtoosacks
reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic
yeah its fake drowning is what it is...
ive seen the diagrams, and the testimony, and the everything.
you joked, so i did too.
besides i myself have been through way worse (and im not even military)
hell ive come close to drowning, its not fun, but if youre going to pay me...