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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
I don't know
this seems surreal
I'm reading everybody's post, but this littlebunny guy...
Seems like he's taking everyone for a ride
Like maybe he's an alias or something wanting attention
I mean even if he truly believes the nonsense he's speaking.... ummm
what's with the rethoric? LOLLL
I freakin, these freaking, i am freakin...
and the best
ARE YOU FREAKIN ME? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO
are u freaking me??????? hahha
OR... perhaps I am tired of reading posts were people only argue from one perspective, both sides do this btw... I am tired of it, and I decided to respond just as forceful but from the other perspective. Also, I have been called neo-con several times and I am damn proud of it! Brainwashed however, not freaken (with an ’en not ‘in btw) hardly!
Anyhow, seems like someone listened to too much neo-republican trash and got brainwashed.
Is Israel without guilt? HELL NO! What they did in the 70's, 80's and part of the 90's, with well aimed bullets against rocks and empty bottles was disgusting. However, and this is not an excuse, that is just how things were done back then. One needs to look no further then American, Russian, Cuban, Mexican, England, Egypt, and other countries histories to see exactly what I am referring too. YET... The biggest - However - is this. In the early 90's Israel changed. They have been working towards peace, seriously working towards it, and for that, these so called Palestinians caused the longest sustained terrorists attacks in human history against Israel. And then in 2008 after firing over 3000 missiles Israel finally said enough. Palestinians are not innocent, even all the way back to -1972 - do you know what happened then?
I don't see how anyone with a brain can debate that Israel is/was the good guy against the palestinians.
The article speaks of Israel speaking of Iran
But it's so similar to Israel speaking of Gaza
making a non-threat seem like a threat for pro-war sentiment
Originally posted by AllinTheMind89
Well, I think I just proved my point on your approval of killing innocents. "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." Yet, you don't care. Haha, you even wanted to kill MORE civilians than Palestine would have supposedly done to Israel.
I don't know what I'm "Freaken" you on. I mean, I have no idea what you're actually trying to say by that. Maybe some good old, well thought out English would help you get your point across, not some lame slang.
I never knew asking others of their knowledge on a subject is so juvenile. Geeze, we all mine as well never learn anything ever again from a teacher, professor, or anyone!
I'm pretty sure everyone else on the thread agrees that your views/ideas are ridiculous, somewhat radical. But, whatever, I'm sure this won't change anything and you'll go about your way putting in your opinion with not a lot of fact. *Sigh*
Originally posted by WizardVanWizard
In my opinion, the fact that Isreal hasn't taken a much stronger approach and "bombed the hell" out of them, as has been so eloquently discussed so far hehe, is fishy. And really it kinda shows a major disregard for their innocent women and children that they always squeal about in the media.
If they really were that outraged, I figure they would've already taken much stronger actions...but no...like most wars (the one in Iraq included) innocent people (both civilians AND soldiers) are being used to fill the pockets of oil giants, weapons giants, rebuilding companies, and the Carlyle Groups of the world.
The Isreali government(s) are patsies for these people (as are many many other governments), a guaranteed source of INstability in the region for many years to come.
We all know deep down this conflict is gonna rage on for many years to come, barring some miracle/horrific travesty, and that's just how these money-grabbing groups like it. The billions spent daily in warfare around the globe gotta go somewhere, right?
As far as Isreal-Palestine, I don't think any side is any more in the right than the other. Both are guilty of exploiting the deaths of innocent civilians, including children, and exploiting the pain of these peoples' families for towing their cause's line, and not for looking for a solution.
So F**k Isreal, and Palestine. Barbarians exist on both sides.
Originally posted by littlebunny
Originally posted by AllinTheMind89
Well, I think I just proved my point on your approval of killing innocents. "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." Yet, you don't care. Haha, you even wanted to kill MORE civilians than Palestine would have supposedly done to Israel.
Umm, okay I believe in killing innocents... I guess that makes me innocent! I mean that is exactly what you are saying the Palestinians are... So kill all the innocent people you want and people like you will start saying and defending my actions because of just how innocent I am.
I know... Trying to understand that logic is confusing as hell, but that is what these, the Palestinian's are innocent, people believe.
I don't know what I'm "Freaken" you on. I mean, I have no idea what you're actually trying to say by that. Maybe some good old, well thought out English would help you get your point across, not some lame slang.
I never knew asking others of their knowledge on a subject is so juvenile. Geeze, we all mine as well never learn anything ever again from a teacher, professor, or anyone!
I love the fact you suggest I need some good ol' English to get my point across, yet in the next paragraph... well... just look for the underlined sentence in the above quote.
--Charles Marcello
Originally posted by AllinTheMind89
First off, if each side just continues a back and forth trend of killing each others civilians, what does that solve? You're just adding fuel to the fire by doing that. Not only are you adding fuel, but with what you said, you're just trying to get the fire to burn bigger and brighter.
You said you would drop 10,000 pound bombs on populated places and plant bombs in all these public locations, all because some Israeli suicide bomber killed 23 (you meant Palestinian suicide bombers right... seeing how Israel has never used human bombers to do anything...) in a market building or something. Do you not see how cynical that is? I condemn either side that kills innocent people. Both sides are wrong no matter what.
By the way, I made a typo and you're using slang no one can understand. There's a big difference there.
Damn, this thread is getting off topic...
Originally posted by skeptic_al
reply to post by littlebunny
What I find totally unbelievable is each year the US gives money away under
the term "Foreign Aid". Israel is one of those recipients. The US spends more
money on these 7 Million #uckers than all the other countries combined.
Why is that?
Money that is supposed to be used for Non-Military purposes always seems
to end up used for Military Purposes. And the US still keeps sending them
more money.
Why is that?
Even before the banks wanted tax payers to pay for their continued failed lifestyles,
the US government spent more money on those 7 Million #uckers than the
homeless people in the US
Why is that?
Originally posted by littlebunny
Originally posted by skeptic_al
reply to post by littlebunny
What I find totally unbelievable is each year the US gives money away under
the term "Foreign Aid". Israel is one of those recipients. The US spends more
money on these 7 Million #uckers than all the other countries combined.
Why is that?
Money that is supposed to be used for Non-Military purposes always seems
to end up used for Military Purposes. And the US still keeps sending them
more money.
Why is that?
Even before the banks wanted tax payers to pay for their continued failed lifestyles,
the US government spent more money on those 7 Million #uckers than the
homeless people in the US
Why is that?
Does anyone need more proof, then from what is mentioned above, that most of these people who post anti-Israeli posts are actually anti-semites/Jew haters!
I knew it before I began posting in here... I see part 2 of my plan has finally paid off! Hook, line, and sinker!
--Charles Marcello
Godfather, I almost don't know where to start to reply.
You imply that Darius, and I assume Xerxes declared themselves to be a god-king.
He did as he pleased with his chattel, and he was a god-king.
The same thing occurred in the Roman Empire, as a string of emperors violated Grimsley's First Law of Bull****ing. And so, they started believing in their divine position. You point out that even Alexander believed that crap, so don't get your panties in a wad over this.
Ever read a non-Iranian, non-Muslim influenced, secular history book?
Alexander wanted to defeat Persia. He wanted payback for all the trouble Persia had created over the past centuries.
If it were not my purpose to combine barbarian things with things Hellenic (Greek), to traverse and civilize every continent, to search out the uttermost parts of land and sea, to push the bounds of Macedonia to the farthest Ocean, and to disseminate and shower the blessings of the Hellenic justice and peace over every nation, I should not be content to sit quietly in the luxury of idle power, but I should emulate the frugality of Diogenes. But as things are, forgive me Diogenes, that I imitate Herakles, and emulate Perseus, and follow in the footsteps of Dionysos, the divine author and progenitor of my family, and desire that victorious Hellenes should dance again in India and revive the memory of the Bacchic revels among the savage mountain tribes beyond the Kaukasos…
* As quoted in "On the Fortune of Alexander" by Plutarch, 332 a-b
Contrary to your statement, it can be argued that Alexander had lots of women, and like all kings, his marriages were made for political reasons, not out of admiration for a culture he wanted to punish.
In the years 330-327, we see Alexander appointing Persians in important functions, dress himself like an Iranian nobleman, introduce the oriental court ritual (proskynesis).
During this time, Alexander adopted some elements of Persian dress and customs at his court, notably the custom of proskynesis, a symbolic kissing of the hand that Persians paid to their social superiors, but a practice of which the Greeks disapproved. The Greeks regarded the gesture as the preserve of deities and believed that Alexander meant to deify himself by requiring it. This cost him much in the sympathies of many of his countrymen. Here, too, a plot against his life was revealed, and his companion Philotas was executed for treason for failing to bring the plot to his attention.
Zoroastrianism of the Persian kings almost 2,500 years ago, is not to be confused with Islam, which didn't begin to spread until the seventh century.
The destructive excesses of the Western nations seems to derive from concepts and practices not found anywhere else in the world. Free will. Freedom. Economic freedom, political freedom, and religious freedom.
Western nations habitually field bold, disciplined, well-armed armies of considerable power in times of need, and historically, these Western armies, once turned loose, kill like no others on earth.
The most terrible battles in terms of bloodshed have been Western power against Western power, something hopefully learned.
In the battle of the Somme, 465,000 casualties. Verdun - 550,000 French casualties and 434,000 casualties. Kursk resulted in 900,000 casualties. Stalingrad - 2,100,000 casualties.
Westerners will suffer near annihilation simply to annihilate their foes. Study their battles. The list one comes up with is a long and bloody proof that no one wars like Westerners.
That's a kill ratio of nearly 220:1. For every Greek killed, the Greeks killed 220 Persians.
This was the last Persian adventure of East versus West on Greek soil. Wonder why?
The Persians weren't having any fun.
None.
No one could fight like Westerners.
Oddly, the Persian force had a lot of Greek mercenaries. The Persians learned. Persian armies always hired Greeks, but the Greeks neither hired nor desired Persians.
The next battle of any significance (beyond the slaughter at Yyre), was Guagamela, or Arbela.
Darius prepared a battlefield with an army of 250,000 men, while the Macedonians fielded only 47,000 men.
Modern estimates
Units Numbers Numbers
Peltasts 10,000[3] 30,000[6]
Cavalry 12,000[3] 40,000[4]
Persian Immortals 10,000[7] 10,000
Greek hoplites 8,000[3] 10,000[5]
Bactrian Cavalry 1,000[5] 2,000
Archers 1,500 1,500
Scythed chariots 200 200
War elephants 15 15
Total 52,930[3] 93,930[2]
If the modern Iranians long to return to the glory of the Persian Empire, or some of that influence, then they don't know what they seek, as they have been taught a skewered view of history. The worst mistake Iran will make is to once again incur the wrath of a Western military.
The Greeks, by contrast, highly valued the individual and the private ownership of land that could be held, improved, and passed to their offspring.
at around 250,000 - men, women and children, free and unfree, enfranchised and disenfranchised. Of those 250,000 some 5,000 on average were fully paid-up citizens
The subjected Persians were compelled to fight under the penalty of death, unlike Western Greeks who ELECTED to fight, CHOSE their leaders, and who VOTED on and held councils on tactics.
Our democracy is representative - we choose politicians to rule for us. Athenian democracy was direct and in-your-face. To make it as participatory as possible, most officials and all jurymen were selected by lot. This was thought to be the democratic way, since election favoured the rich, famous and powerful over the ordinary citizen.
Only adult male citizens need apply for the privileges and duties of democratic government, and a birth criterion of double descent - from an Athenian mother as well as father - was strictly insisted upon.
Women, even Athenian women, were totally excluded - this was a men's club. Foreigners, especially unfree slave foreigners, were excluded formally and rigorously.
One distinctively Athenian democratic practice that aroused the special ire of the system's critics was the practice of ostracism - from the Greek word for potsherd. In this reverse election to decide which leading politician should be exiled for ten years, voters scratched or painted the name of their preferred candidate on a piece of broken pottery.
Westerners are traditionally a stiff-backed people. The Persian king wanted to impose his will on the free Greeks, but it was the free Greeks who demonstrated the greater will. The Persian king determined to invade Greece, and it was on Greek soil that these free men slaughtered these subjected Persian invaders.
As portions of the ancient Persian Empire, these people were an oppressed people. Subjects of a god-king compelled to follow predetermined pursuits.Likewise, even today these same peoples are subjects under the yoke of Islam, once again an oppressed, miserable people, compelled by their religion,
And are not free to make their own determinations in terms of economic freedom, political freedom, or religious freedom.
And Godfather, please break out some books. Study facts, and then chew on the concepts found therein.