Originally posted by skeptic_al
If I was jewish I'd come over to your house, kick you out,
bulldoze it, change the law so can't claim ownership, then build
my own house on the land. And if you don't leave I'll call the Police
because you're trespassing and they will beat the snot out of you.

As you reckon possession is 99% of the Law, tough s#it


But I'm not Jewish, so I won't.

But that is NOT, absolutely NOT what happened! You are rewriting history to fit a LIE you want people to believe in! That is wrong!

Israel WAS ATTACKED! Those countries that attacked Israel lost that land because Israel WON and the attackers were defeated! Israel after defeating those Countries who attacked them... They (Israel) decided to keep the land they conquered from Syria, Egypt, etc... you know those countries who attacked Israel!

How does your statement even remotely fit the facts and the history of what ACTUALLY HAPPENED!

It doesn't... you know it, so you make crap up! Right? Wow, you ignore the facts to fit your conclusion... brilliant... Well only to idiots who refuse to learn the truth!

--Charles Marcello

Originally posted by Yacov
It's about the only democracy in the region and the place teems with life!

It may have democratic elections but Israel is more of a Theocracy.
Similar religiously to the Islamic dominated areas around it.

- Lee

I think its time to get some facts straight there is a big myth how palistinians lived there for thousands of years. This is a lie prior to 1900 there was no one there it was a waste land and this is part of the reason the British gave it to the Jews. Where did the palistinians come from you ask?

All the evidence points to the neighboring Arab states of Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. In 1922 the British Governor of the Sinai noted that ?illegal immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria.? In 1930, the British Mandate -sponsored Hope-Simpson Report noted that ?unemployment lists are being swollen by immigrants from Trans-Jordania? and ?illicit immigration through Syria and across the northern frontier of Palestine is material.? The Arabs themselves bare witness to this trend. For example, the governor of the Syrian district of Hauran, Tewfik Bey el Hurani, admitted in 1934 that in a single period of only a few months over 30,000 Syrians from Hauran had moved to the Land of Israel. Even British Prime Minister Winston Churchill noted the Arab influx. Churchill, a veteran of the early years of the British mandate in the Land of Israel, noted in 1939 that ?far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied.?

Far from displacing the Arabs, as they claimed, the Jews were the very reason the Arabs chose to settle in the Land of Israel. Jobs provided by newly established Zionist industry and agriculture lured them there, just as Israeli construction and industry provides most Arabs in the Land of Israel with their main source of income today. Malcolm MacDonald, one of the principal authors of the British White Paper of 1939, which restricted Jewish immigration to the Land of Israel, admitted (conservatively) that were it not for a Jewish presence the Arab population would have been little more than half of what it actually was. Today, when due to the latest ?intifada? Arabs from the territories under 35 are no longer allowed into pre-1967 Israel to work, unemployment has skyrocketed to over 40% and most rely on European aid packages to survive.

So Your true issue here is people moved into what was British territory. The british decided to allow Jews in to this area face it no one else wanted it.When they moved there they brought with them teachers architects and scientists which means businesses followed. Then neighboring countries saw they were building and irrigating and creating a society so as logic dictates they moved there for a better life.But this was never there land do not kid your self Yasser Arrafat himself admitted the Palistinian state was created by him!

Originally posted by littlebunny

Originally posted by skeptic_al
If I was jewish I'd come over to your house, kick you out,
bulldoze it, change the law so can't claim ownership, then build
my own house on the land. And if you don't leave I'll call the Police
because you're trespassing and they will beat the snot out of you.

As you reckon possession is 99% of the Law, tough s#it


But I'm not Jewish, so I won't.

But that is NOT, absolutely NOT what happened! You are rewriting history to fit a LIE you want people to believe in! That is wrong!

Look, if you don't like that outcome you can always take your case to
the UN, and all you have to is convince the US reps to not veto it.
Mind you, if you did get a positive outcome from the US reps it would
be a first in the history for the US in the UN.

more european jews went to australia during and after WW2 than went to israel - after the leaders of soon-to-be-israel , handed over 400,000 hungarian jews to hitler , the survivors in europe vowed never to be under the zionists again and went as far away as they could.


oh , you do know that don`t you? that there was a deal to save nearly 1/2 million hungarian jews - yet the zionists in israel chose to not save them.

[edit on 9/4/09 by Harlequin]

Originally posted by littlebunny

I can't even take what you say seriously, littlebunny. What do you have to back up any of your claims? I've read this entire thread and you are acting like a juvenile (in which case you may be, but whatever) You really just need to calm down and stop with the "macho-blow-everything-up-let's-kill-innocent-lives-with-mass-violence" deal.

This is probably a dumb question, but can anyone on here give me a non-biased definition of Zionism? Is it just one who is in favor of Israel pretty much? Regardless of their actions?





[edit on 9-4-2009 by AllinTheMind89]

Originally posted by killuminati2012

Originally posted by mybigunit
What is interesting is it is even written by a Jew. I guess he will be called a self hating Jew after this article. Im starting to see more and more Jews stand up against the atrocities in the middles east done by Israel and their imperialistic government and it is needed. Just like we need the Muslims to come out and stand up against atrocities by their extremists the Jews need to do the same so do the Christians for that matter. This is a great article and Im glad to see it in the main stream. We need to start looking at Israelis policies because whether you like it or not they do affect us directly.

Does anybody recall the Jewish rabbis meeting with Ahmadenajad where they agreed with him about Israel? There are plenty of Jews who don't support Zionism, but you never hear why in the media.

The Jews believe that the messiah will return and guide them back to the promised land. Of course no messiah has appeared, so they aren't justified in supporting Zionism as it stands now.

I know this is a bitter subject and everybody has strong feelings about it. But the truth of the matter is that Israel is the heart of the probelms in the Middle East. Is it that hard to put yourself in the Palestinians' shoes? How would you feel if somebody took up your land and enforced policies that only made your life worse? They call the Palenstinians' actions terrorism, but what else are they supposed to do? They would fight a conventional war if they had the means. But they don't, because they are forced to live a life of poverty due to Israel's actions.

Of course, both sides need to confront reality and learn to get along. This won't be easy, but a good start is going one step beyond recognizing a Palestinian State. Israel needs to take down their checkpoints and the wall so the Palestinians can go about their lives. The checkpoints are what many of them are angry about. You can't fault the Palestinians until Israel has made a concerted effort to treat them like human beings. People that depict Israel as a victim are clearly biased or uninformed. I'm glad to see that many more people are recognizing the situation for what it is, and not just what they are told.

Before the Messiah returns the Temple Mount with its Mosque on top needs to be replaced with a Jewish temple and if that does not happen then the delay of the end times is held back by that, a blessing for the rest of mankind and a curse for the Jews.

When you start defining conflict as in God's name or with God on our side... all reason goes right out the door and this is true regardless of religion or state.

Despite repeated implied threats, Putin, has refused recently to pull Russian workers from Bushehr.

If the plant there is attacked, there will be Russian casualties.


My assessment, I feel in a military confrontation, Russia will resupply Iran.

During the start of the last Olympics when Putin was in China there was a military action in south Ossettia. It appears that Russian armored columns were to be "drawn out" and hit with precision munitions. Putin brought out the ss-18 mobile launchers.

If the Russians allow Iran to fall like Iraq, then they lose control of the Black Sea region and it is a total green light for an expanded missile defense shield in Eastern Europe.