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Israel Cries Wolf

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posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 10:59 AM
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Israel Cries Wolf


www.nytimes.com

ISTANBUL — “Iran is the center of terrorism, fundamentalism and subversion and is in my view more dangerous than Nazism, because Hitler did not possess a nuclear bomb, whereas the Iranians are trying to perfect a nuclear option.”

Israel’s nuclear warheads, whose function is presumably deterrence of precisely powers like Iran, go unmentioned, of course.

Israeli hegemony is proving a kind of slavery. Passage to the Promised Land involves rethinking the Middle East, starting in Iran.
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 10:59 AM
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Is this really a page from the NY Times?

Did I just read an excellent article on the new york times???


I don’t buy the view that, as Netanyahu told Goldberg, Iran is “a fanatic regime that might put its zealotry above its self-interest.” Every scrap of evidence suggests that, on the contrary, self-interest and survival drive the mullahs.

Yet Netanyahu insists (too much) that Iran is “a country that glorifies blood and death, including its own self-immolation.” Huh?

On that ocular theme again, Netanyahu says Iran’s “composite leadership” has “elements of wide-eyed fanaticism that do not exist in any other would-be nuclear power in the world.” No, they exist in an actual nuclear power, Pakistan.


There seems to be a shift of some sort.

I will be following this.

www.nytimes.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 11:24 AM
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Shift? ... Aah - maybe just long waited progress!

Some individuals, in important places are maybe finally waking up - asks some real questions, and trying to seek some answers, what we have done for years... Doing their actual works as independent journalists?

Now when whole newspaper industry is under pressure for cuts - jobs maybe alrady lost - there will rise individuals who have lots of power, and lot to tell to us before they leave the scene... - I hope.

Maybe this article is one of those - and dont forget to send thanks mails to editors!

I can see Zionist bankers in their media empires - challenging their editors to keep up the lies - "Hold the lines, hold the lines!"

If those lines will broke - and truth starts to spread in MSM - we will see same kind of growing death rate among journalists and editors like we have seen in Russia.

Explosives scientifically found from WTC dust - so what?


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posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 11:57 AM
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Let me change 2 proper nouns, remove 3 words, and change the tense of a verb.

Israel is the center of terrorism, fundamentalism and subversion and is in my view more dangerous than Nazism, because Hitler did not possess a nuclear bomb, whereas the Israelis perfected a nuclear option.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 11:59 AM
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Of course Israel would be the one to know all about Nazism and "messianic apocalyptic cults", the conquered do imitate the conqueror after all, as Caesar said.

I'd never thought I'd say this but... congratulations New York Times.


You've done what no other mainstream media network had so far, presented a rational, unsensationalist and unapologetic view of Israel in the context of greater Middle Eastern foreign policies that have shaped the region in recent dones.


Benjamin Netanyahu 2009? Try again. These words were in fact uttered by another Israeli prime minister (and now Israeli president), Shimon Peres, in 1996. Four years earlier, in 1992, he’d predicted that Iran would have a nuclear bomb by 1999.

You can’t accuse the Israelis of not crying wolf. Ehud Barak, now defense minister, said in 1996 that Iran would be producing nuclear weapons by 2004.



This “messianic apocalyptic cult” in Tehran is, of course, the very same one with which Israel did business during the 1980’s, when its interest was in weakening Saddam Hussein’s Iraq. That business — including sales of weapons and technology — was an extension of Israeli policy toward Iran under the shah.


Ouch. That blew a nice hole in Netanyahu's foot.

So Iran is an enemy, only so long as it doesn't serve our selfish, foreign policy interests to weaken absolutely everyone in the entire Middle East?

That's eerily reminiscent of Nazi attitudes towards Russia prior to a bloody and prolonged conflict known as World War Two.


It’s also the same “messianic apocalyptic cult” that has survived 30 years, ushered the country from the penury of the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war, shrewdly extended its power and influence, cooperated with America on Afghanistan before being consigned to “the axis of evil,” and kept its country at peace in the 21st century while bloody mayhem engulfed neighbors to east and west and Israel fought two wars.


Again all this is kept under wraps in the main stream media.

You'll never hear of that fact that Iran has not instigated a conflict within the last century or more, or the fact that Iran offered the United States cooperation in securing Afghan borders in 2001 to prevent the Taliban escaping.

Or the fact that Ali Khamenei, Iran's Supreme Leader, condemned the 9/11 attacks:

“Killing of people, in any place and with any kind of weapons…. carried out by any organization, country or individual is condemned. ... It makes no difference whether such massacres happen in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Qana, Sabra, Shatila, Deir Yassin, Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq or in New York and Washington.


Or the fact that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad never said he wanted to "Wipe Israel off the Map":

So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi:

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime.

So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said.

The full quote translated directly to English:

"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".


All you will hear is non-stop, round the clock, fear-mongering.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 12:01 PM
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What they forgot to mention is that Israel is also a fanatic government... Good article except for the fact it's one sided.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 12:27 PM
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Good article except for the fact it's one sided.


Yeah it compensates for the rest of the mainstream media in case you haven't noticed.

A good portion of which is owned by Rupert Murdoch, a devout conservative and Republican party doner who is the majority shareholder of Faux News and almost every 20th Century Fox company.

And the British BS Company:

For 10 years Tim Llewellyn was the BBC's Middle East correspondent. In this passionately argued polemic he accuses British broadcasters, including his former employer, of systematic bias in covering the Arab-Israeli conflict, giving undue prominence to the views of Jerusalem while disregarding the roots of the crisis

www.guardian.co.uk...

And Clearly Not Neutral (CNN), owned by Time Warner who is... you guessed it, owned by Murdoch.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 12:37 PM
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because Hitler did not possess a nuclear bomb, whereas the Iranians are trying to perfect a nuclear option



actually Germany in WW2 had allready perfromed criticality experiments and some sources state a functioning nuclear reactor housed in berlin in 1945

www.abc.net.au...

^^ and apparantly had tested a dirty bomb


somewhat more than iran has done.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 01:19 PM
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I just love the way ATS is ripping and debunking, turning and switching upside down everything what is written, spoken or done in politics.

I dont mean that you are wrong - You are damn right - I just love the way this forum is questioning every statement, idea, or thought - positively so!



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 04:15 PM
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Ahh and the Patsy continues to do the dirty work and talk the dirty talk for the new Boss.

Nothing like some "re-building" contracts to stimulate the economy, eh?

If this is an actual example of independent journalism, then kudos.

I think it's more of the trend of the MSM trying to make itself look like it's coming around to entertain the viewpoints of crazies like us ATSers, continuing in vein of Glenn Beck and such.

If they can get the last of the crazies in the palm of their hand...

[edit on 4/8/2009 by WizardVanWizard]



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 04:15 PM
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this is all part of the plan to put distance between the US and Israel when the fighting starts.

It is just smoke and mirrors, Israel and the US are even closer now than ever before, just on the surface they give the impression of opposition.

When Israel hits Iran they will do so with secret US blessings and then cry victim when Iran strikes back.

most people will have no idea that Israel will have to use US air space to attack, that will be forgotten to be mentioned in the western media.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 04:39 PM
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Since Einstein was the main inventor of nuclear energy I don't see why he should disapprove today of Isreal taking his invention to some protective use since everyone wants to kill the Jews off anyway and always have done, I don't think he would say no to his used ideas if Israel was always in his heart, I think he would be happy for them to have a save haven even if it means nuclear weapons under their belt.


Albert Einstein was born March 14, 1879 in Ulm, a small town in Germany. His parents Hermann and Pauline were descendants of the Jewish German community having many generations living on German soil.
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Einstein was a socialist Zionist who supported the creation of a Jewish national homeland in the British mandate of Palestine.[66] In 1931, The Macmillan Company published About Zionism: Speeches and Lectures by Professor Albert Einstein.[67] Querido, an Amsterdam publishing house, collected eleven of Einstein's essays into a 1933 book entitled Mein Weltbild, translated to English as The World as I See It; Einstein's foreword dedicates the collection "to the Jews of Germany".[68] In the face of Germany's rising militarism, Einstein wrote and spoke for peace.[69][70]


Albert Einstein, seen here with his wife Elsa Einstein and Zionist leaders, including future President of Israel Chaim Weizmann, his wife Dr. Vera Weizmann, Menahem Ussishkin, and Ben-Zion Mossinson on arrival in New York City in 1921.Einstein publicly stated reservations about the proposal to partition the British-supervised British Mandate of Palestine into independent Arab and Jewish countries. In a 1938 speech, "Our Debt to Zionism", he said: "My awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power, no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain—especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks, against which we have already had to fight strongly, even without a Jewish state. ... If external necessity should after all compel us to assume this burden, let us bear it with tact and patience."[71] In a 1947 letter to Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru, Einstein stated that the Balfour Declaration's proposal to establish a national home for Jews in Palestine "redresses the balance" of justice and history.[72]

The United Nations did divide the mandate, demarcating the borders of several new countries including the State of Israel, and war broke out immediately. Einstein was one of the authors of an open letter to the New York Times in 1948 criticizing Menachem

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posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 05:31 PM
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You have to wonder about a story like this...personally, I wonder what would be the effect of this story as a buffer to some of the neo-nazi groups as far as "Proof" of a singular Zionist conspiracy. I have always believed that these pinheaded nazi groups not only exaggerate the Zionists role in a world conspiracy, but they are infiltrated by Southern Poverty Law Center, the F.B.I., The anti-defamation league, and god knows who else.

When these kinds of stories appear in the mainstream press, the skinheads go nuts, resort to violence and acting out, then the A.D.L. in league with the F.B.I. and others always catch some hair-brained goofball with guns and a stupid plan doomed to failure, then they always remind the world of how much they are needed to stop these guys from taking over and killing more people. Even if you look at these web-sites that they have and read the comments, they are all ill-informed meat-sacks ready to throw their lives away for some imagined "race war" that the best among them have concocted. What a better way to increase a police state than to get these automatons kicking around in riot mode.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 05:52 PM
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What is interesting is it is even written by a Jew. I guess he will be called a self hating Jew after this article. Im starting to see more and more Jews stand up against the atrocities in the middles east done by Israel and their imperialistic government and it is needed. Just like we need the Muslims to come out and stand up against atrocities by their extremists the Jews need to do the same so do the Christians for that matter. This is a great article and Im glad to see it in the main stream. We need to start looking at Israelis policies because whether you like it or not they do affect us directly.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 07:05 PM
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Netanyahu (glad he is pm) knows what he talking about. Olmert did not handle many things right including terrorism (did not totally destroy terrorists in gaza or Lebanon). Giving up land was a bad idea, Arabs did not want a state along with Israel, they wanted only their state, it's Israel's land now. Iran cannot have nukes, it is a grave danger to Israel. They have threatened Israel already (even with correct translation Iran still threatened Israel), Israel needs to be 100% sure Iran is about have a nuke before attacking (US should jointly attack) and i would be willing to go support and defend Israel (I'm no armchair general).

And why is ats a hate Israel and America board, totally sickening.


I'm about to be flamed, yay!



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Israel Cries Wolf


www.nytimes.com

ISTANBUL — “Iran is the center of terrorism, fundamentalism and subversion and is in my view more dangerous than Nazism, because Hitler did not possess a nuclear bomb, whereas the Iranians are trying to perfect a nuclear option.”

Israel’s nuclear warheads, whose function is presumably deterrence of precisely powers like Iran, go unmentioned, of course.

Israeli hegemony is proving a kind of slavery. Passage to the Promised Land involves rethinking the Middle East, starting in Iran.
(visit the link for the full news article)




Why is Israel so afraid of kids throwing rocks at them.....
Why is Israel with all their Nukes, Planes, Helicopters, Tanks, Rockets, Bombs, White Phosporus
so afraid of a can of Beetroot stuffed with black powder.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 09:53 PM
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Iran has a real problem that has been going on for millennia.

A couple millennia ago, the Persians decided to go up against a Western Power - Greece.

The people of the Persian Empire belonged to a god-king, and were compelled toward their fate.

The Persians were slaughtered.

The second time the mighty Persian Empire went up against a Western power was the Macedonians.

Again, compelled by a god-king, the people were not provided any choice in the matter, and the Macedonian armies of Alexander slaughtered them waist deep.

The very same nations that made up the old Persian Empire, are now likewise compelled without choice. Their fanatical, fundamentalist Islamic leaders are once again compelling them without choice. Their religion? Submission. Islam means submission.

And yes, Israel is a nation built from a large number of Western immigrants. And yes, the Iranians, with a longing for the days of the old Persian Empire, once again, must repeat the meeting of East versus West.

The outcome?

Every single time in the past, they have suffered a great slaughter. Not most of the time. All of the time.

Anyone want to give me a spread?



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by mybigunit
What is interesting is it is even written by a Jew. I guess he will be called a self hating Jew after this article. Im starting to see more and more Jews stand up against the atrocities in the middles east done by Israel and their imperialistic government and it is needed. Just like we need the Muslims to come out and stand up against atrocities by their extremists the Jews need to do the same so do the Christians for that matter. This is a great article and Im glad to see it in the main stream. We need to start looking at Israelis policies because whether you like it or not they do affect us directly.


Does anybody recall the Jewish rabbis meeting with Ahmadenajad where they agreed with him about Israel? There are plenty of Jews who don't support Zionism, but you never hear why in the media.

The Jews believe that the messiah will return and guide them back to the promised land. Of course no messiah has appeared, so they aren't justified in supporting Zionism as it stands now.

I know this is a bitter subject and everybody has strong feelings about it. But the truth of the matter is that Israel is the heart of the probelms in the Middle East. Is it that hard to put yourself in the Palestinians' shoes? How would you feel if somebody took up your land and enforced policies that only made your life worse? They call the Palenstinians' actions terrorism, but what else are they supposed to do? They would fight a conventional war if they had the means. But they don't, because they are forced to live a life of poverty due to Israel's actions.

Of course, both sides need to confront reality and learn to get along. This won't be easy, but a good start is going one step beyond recognizing a Palestinian State. Israel needs to take down their checkpoints and the wall so the Palestinians can go about their lives. The checkpoints are what many of them are angry about. You can't fault the Palestinians until Israel has made a concerted effort to treat them like human beings. People that depict Israel as a victim are clearly biased or uninformed. I'm glad to see that many more people are recognizing the situation for what it is, and not just what they are told.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 10:09 PM
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That is good reporting. All Israel needs is an operational slogan/banner for this war. I was thinking that as I read the first paragraph, they are going to doom us all. It's funny because I thought Bush was the worst, and I always knew Netanyahu was zealously comparable, but I didn't think we'd see him again. Now he has the reigns and he is not letting go. Worse fanaticism than Bush and Cheney and Rummy and Rice, all rolled into one disgusting package.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 10:42 PM
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What a crock of crap!

Israel once again is being called the bad guys by the same anti-Semites who seem to come out the wood works to speak the same anti-historical drivel every time news about Israel hits the MSM! (Oh and I love the part that the NY Times is changing… Wow where the hell you people been! When the NY Times finally calls Israel the victims then and only then will they have finally posted something new!)

I wish Israel would stop being so nice to those terrorists or so called Palestinians who wish to seek them harm.

If I ran Israel every time those terrorists shot 100 pound rockets into Israel, I would drop 1000 pound bombs (plural) in the most (so called) Palestinians heavily populated neighborhoods. If they launched 1000 pound rockets, I would drop 10,000 pound bombs in those neighborhoods. If they used a suicide bomber(s), I would plant bombs in their cafe's, their dance halls, their hospitals, their bus stops, their crowed markets, times x10 per suicide or car bomb, truck bomb, etc…. Then and only then would the terrorism stop because they would have no where to go without fear of a bomb from a government planted explosive is finally purposely targeting their children, their women, their daughters... Just like those terrorists, (and those who support them, Syria, Iran, the old Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt etc…) or those so called Palestinian Government has been doing for fifty freaken years to Israel! Yet if you believe these blowhards here on ATS, Israel are the bad guys. I mean, If I ran Israel I would say screw it, these anti-Semites are going to hate us regardless of how much restraint we show and use daily... I would say, lets just go balls up and act just as horrific as the terrorists, or so called Palestine Government does, and then, maybe just maybe those anti-Semites would finally see us, (Israel), as the victims.

Before I started any of that though, I would have my UN Ambassador stand before the entire UN Assembly and have him drop his pants and spread his butt cheeks and tell the whole world to french kiss his... well you get the picture.... And then after he gets done laughing he is to tell the UN we freaken quit... and then I would do everything mentioned above.

Oh, and regarding that so called Jew who wrote that nonsense... It just goes to show that old adage is still true, repeat a lie long enough and even your enemies will start to believe it!

To Israel, kill all who threaten your country! Kill them all! You have nothing to fear, Charles Supports You!

Nope, I truly don’t think even with all the nonsense I just posted above did I equal the hate I see on ATS from these anti-Israel/anti-Semite ATSers.. Nope, I know for a fact I did not post as much hateful vitriol I have seen come from these anti-Israel blowhards who blame Israel for everything and at all costs ATSers! This anti-Israel hatred I see on this site is growing tiresome… Perhaps I just found the perfect cure for it. Hmm! Me must see the results!

--Charles Marcello

(I crack myself up!)


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