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reply posted on 9-4-2009 @ 09:44 AM by SGTChas
reply to post by son of PC


Where are the Winston Churchill’s to confront our current bunch of Neville Chamberlin’s when you need them?


reply posted on 9-4-2009 @ 09:46 AM by cenpuppie
reply to post by ModernAcademia


Great post chief, hence why i got you as one of my friends. Like someone already noticed, Israel is just as grimey as you can get when it comes to politics. They look for any reason and hunt for excuses to go pick on the citizens of the Gaza Strip.

Like i've always said and will continue to say, Israel is all talk and bluster back by a billion dollar budget. Let's see how pig headed they act if Pakistan was as well equipped and financed as they are..legally that is, heh.

I mean they totally dismissed Pakistan because they didn't have a democratically elected government. When they finally do have an elected government...the people voted..its Hamas and the whole world turns their back on them, we got excatly what we wanted an elected government (or something similiar, im sure someone with more info will chime in and tell us what went down).

The world needs to just let Iran do what it wants, let them have nuclear weapons. Let's be real here and realistic..your not going to tell a grown man what he can and cannot do if he sees everyone else doing the same thing. That's how it is with Iran. There is NO WAY your going to tell a sovereign nation that they can't have nukes when other countries that include china (communist which we are suppose to FIGHT), india, pakistan (yea they have'em) and Israel (of course) has them.

I mean you know how it is, Iran don't like America or israel anyway, so they are in the mindset that we can kiss their ass..we want'em and we're gonna get'em no matter what you say...I don't answer to you. And besides, the Supreme I-yo-toll-lah (sp!) has all the power and that cleric is not ignorant or stupid and knows nukes are a deterrent, a powerful negotiating chip. The pres is just a figure head, it funny when the media gets worked up over what he says, like Jay Leno.


reply posted on 9-4-2009 @ 09:50 AM by Ridhya
littlebunny, you seem to have only read history back to the 6 Day War or something. People arent saying the cause of the war is taking Palestinian land, like the Golan Heights or some crap, they're talking about the whole, as in what Israel is today. War broke out originally at its creation because armed settlers and terrorists, I believe called Irgun, forced Palestinians off land and it was all okayed by the Brits. When they say 'land' they mean all of former Greater Palestine.

The violence today is because violence begets more violence, everyone kills eachother because both sides learn in their schools that the other started the violence and they killed your parents, its a circle of hate that wont end anytime soon. But you have to understand that Israel continues to expand its settlements today, and bulldoze Palestinian houses and farms without compassion.

Attacking civilians "1000x" worse or whatever filth you spew is no solution to anything. Those civilians didnt force the suicide bomber to do anything. And killing more civilians wont make them stop, you realise. If there are Palestinians willing to give their lives now, there are bound to be more after you go and kill their family and friends.

Israel is trying to be the parent, and not doing a good job. Whenever I did bad and my parents punished me worse than deserved, or punished me for basically no reason, I didnt go oh Id better not rebel any more. I'd sneak out at night and not listen to them MORE. Thats how you have to view Palestine. Only compassion will stop violence. And it has to start by demolishing and returning land of their illegal settlements, and then probably partition the Palestinian separate state.

I dont know why you're so hung up on "evil Jews" either, no one here said that so Im pondering if these are your own thoughts.

reply to post by SGTChas

I wonder if you have been to Iran. I have a friend who lived there who did not hate me, nor did his family, and also from a documentaries I have seen the people are very fond of America and Americans, just not the foreign policy. Hmm, sounds like me. I guess Im a terrorist in your eyes too.
Im glad you revel in killing so much and have such a burning hatred for Muslims. You could pick out quotes from any religious book telling followers to kill the un-believers. There are crazies on all sides.

And for your "forged by the concentration camp ovens of Nazi Germany" remark I always wonder, why then, did the Israeli army use, and do some Israeli police use KAR98s still to this day? I know if I despised Nazi Germany I would never touch a weapon that they used against my own people. Maybe they forgive when it benefits them...



reply posted on 9-4-2009 @ 10:04 AM by SGTChas
reply to post by milesp


I frankly do not care if you believe me; which is another tactic of ‘bleeding heart’ activist, the ‘you lie’ so ‘I’m right’ smoke screen to cover and excuse other unpleasant truths they do not wish to deal with. Live on in your fantasy of self righteous alternate reality, I’ll keep the faith as a former member of The Devil’s Brigade.


reply posted on 9-4-2009 @ 10:16 AM by milesp
reply to post by SGTChas


The devil's brigade was disbanded in 1944. You seem to be the one living in an alternate reality.


reply posted on 9-4-2009 @ 10:16 AM by SGTChas
reply to post by Ridhya


Because they use a Mauser rifle they are selective in their forgiving? Such a grandeous ‘straw man’ argument is an unblieviable stretch of logic for even a bleeding heart apologist. But then, what can you expect when the inability to assail the obvious with the emotional appeal fails? Smoke screens and bloviating are emblematic of the inability to except the obvious truth.

Spent time humping the Baluchistan and Zagros mountains, and had much occasion to interact with Iranians. It seems you have found one of the few "good" ones and projected that quality on a nation of suicide bombing maniac fanatics.

I do not revel in killing or hate the Iranians; I love America and took an oath to defend her and I know that the Iranian government is our sworn enemy that has supplied the arms, explosives and ammunition to kill American civilians as well as members of our military. You and other posters to this thread may wish to continue to be Iranian apologist; empathizing with the ‘poor peace loving Shiites’ in your warm and fuzzy ‘peace at any cost’ delusional state, I however know that such fanciful ideals will get you very dead. In the real world you maintain peace through superior firepower and a well known wiliness to use it if necessary. THAT is what Arab nations will respect, they laugh at bowing and dialog.


[edit on 4/9/2009 by SGTChas]


reply posted on 9-4-2009 @ 10:18 AM by SGTChas
reply to post by milesp


Kept the title as a honor, seems your not as smart as you think.


reply posted on 9-4-2009 @ 10:31 AM by milesp
Originally posted by SGTChas
reply to post by milesp


Kept the title as a honor, seems your not as smart as you think.


You can keep reading your neo-fascist news and views and the Bible.

I'm going to work.








reply posted on 9-4-2009 @ 11:36 AM by masonwatcher
reply to post by dooper



Tsk, tsk Dooper! You have been watching that 300 movie again. The king of Persia at the time was Xerxes and was not a 'god' king and the conflict between Persia and the Greeks, mainly the Athenians, was about trade. Furthermore, the entire northern Mediterranean where fed up to their back teeth with the Greek slaving culture and many of the armies under Xerxes were from that region.


reply posted on 9-4-2009 @ 11:53 AM by SGTChas
reply to post by milesp


"De Oppresso Liber" to you. Have a good day at work.


reply posted on 9-4-2009 @ 01:21 PM by littlebunny
Originally posted by Ridhya
littlebunny, you seem to have only read history back to the 6 Day War or something. People arent saying the cause of the war is taking Palestinian land, like the Golan Heights or some crap, they're talking about the whole, as in what Israel is today. War broke out originally at its creation because armed settlers and terrorists, I believe called Irgun, forced Palestinians off land and it was all okayed by the Brits. When they say 'land' they mean all of former Greater Palestine.
Why do you people continue to lie? I actually thought someone wanted to have a discussion instead of saying crap that just aint true, like...oh I don’t know… using words like... Greater Palestine... No such place has ever existed, unless of course you say a lie and get more people to repeat it! Damn that annoys the crap out of me... Hence my little role here! Ooops!

The violence today is because violence begets more violence, everyone kills eachother because both sides learn in their schools that the other started the violence and they killed your parents, its a circle of hate that wont end anytime soon. But you have to understand that Israel continues to expand its settlements today, and bulldoze Palestinian houses and farms without compassion.


Really, you are ignoring the fact that ISRAEL has tried like HELL to stop the violence right? Can anyone say Select memory! How about what Israel did at Camp David with President Clinton? How about what the Palestinians did after Yassar got back home? No, I aint talking about the six day war, I am talking about ALL the facts that have lead up to now!

Attacking civilians "1000x" worse or whatever filth you spew is no solution to anything. Those civilians didnt force the suicide bomber to do anything. And killing more civilians wont make them stop, you realise. If there are Palestinians willing to give their lives now, there are bound to be more after you go and kill their family and friends.
Bull! And Israel should not just attack them... pay attention... Israel should wipe them the hell out! Day after day of bombing doesn't just hurt some, you wipe them out! If Israel would stop caring what the world has to say this would already be over!

Israel is trying to be the parent, and not doing a good job. Whenever I did bad and my parents punished me worse than deserved, or punished me for basically no reason, I didnt go oh Id better not rebel any more. I'd sneak out at night and not listen to them MORE.
Because like then and now, you appear to be a spoiled selfish little brat! If you were mine I would have crushed that from you along time ago. BTW You don't reward bad behavior, you destroy it and if you can't destroy the bad behavior, you destroy the people doing it!

I dont know why you're so hung up on "evil Jews" either, no one here said that so Im pondering if these are your own thoughts.
Because, just like in this response... words have meaning! So, you're saying Israel is not evil? Well good we agree, now lets continue to let Isreal do their non-evil work! (I crack myself up!)

--Charles Marcello


reply posted on 9-4-2009 @ 01:24 PM by mybigunit
Originally posted by littlebunny

I spit milk out my nose! Another nut who makes a feel good comment yet completely ignores the reality that equals this conflict. Oh the poor poor Palestinians, if only their country wasn't invaded! Lets hold up a mirror, he says... Mmmmkay! You mean a multi-universal mirror that has whatever the hell you wish the truth to be while completely lying about this reality, mirror don't you? Because your mirror is not based in reality at all! Hello, REALITY! Why must you people who support those freaken terrorists continue to be freaken LIARS!????? Just make crap up as you go along, why I demand why, because it makes you FEEEEELLLLL gooooood!



Them pesky Palestinian terrorists how dare they be against living in their ghetto walled in and cut off from their country. How dare they push for uprisings and bug Israel. How dare they not just accept the scraps they are given by Israel. How dare they fight back for their land because Isreal took it (through war and terrorism) I think the Palestinians should just lay down and die.

With that being said where have I heard of a story like this before hmmm I know its happened.... Oh thats right when the Reich took over Poland they put the Jews in Ghettos walled them in away from the world and fed them scraps. Those evil Jews would have small uprisings which would be quelled quickly and brutally and then they blamed the Jews and called them terrorists. How dare those evil Jews push for uprising against the Reich after all The Reich smacked Poland fair and square right so they have the right to camp up the Jews?

Sorry dude your a joke and its obvious you dont see the double standard. I agree with you Israel won their land in war and terrorism so it is theirs but to do what they are doing to the Palestinians is NO different than what the Reich did to the Polish Jews. I guess its a good thing they had America and Russia who had their back otherwise they would still be in those ghettos.



Edit to change walled away from the world to walled off from their country.

[edit on 9-4-2009 by mybigunit]


reply posted on 9-4-2009 @ 01:47 PM by littlebunny
Originally posted by mybigunit

Them pesky Palestinian terrorists how dare they be against living in their ghetto walled in and cut off from the world. How dare they push for uprisings and bug Israel. How dare they not just accept the scraps they are given by Israel.
Hey we completely agree... oh wait, you started to lie...
How dare they fight back for their land because Isreal took it (through war and terrorism) I think the Palestinians should just lay down and die.
Just because you people continue to claim that land is there's don't make it so... And yes, how freaken dare they... Kill'em all!

With that being said where have I heard of a story like this before hmmm I know its happened.... Oh thats right when the Reich took over Poland they put the Jews in Ghettos walled them in away from the world and fed them scraps. Those evil Jews would have small uprisings which would be quelled quickly and brutally and then they blamed the Jews and called them terrorists. How dare those evil Jews push for uprising against the Reich after all The Reich smacked Poland fare and square right so they have the right to camp up the Jews?
How freaken STUPID... when da nazi put jews in ghethose, dat is exactly da same! How freaken funny at the same time! I have to continue that stupidass logic... Yes boys and girls... Before da Nazi legally took over Europe, da jews helped five other countries attack greater Nazia, and den, those jews continued to attack da good nazi who had no choice but to round up dos evil jews and put dem in ghethose. Da end! Damn dude, no seriously... you're retelling of history is perfect to what is going on in Israel! Great job!

Sorry dude your a joke and its obvious you dont see the double standard. I agree with you Israel won their land in war and terrorism so it is theirs but to do what they are doing to the Palestinians is NO different than what the Reich did to the Polish Jews. I guess its a good thing they had America and Russia who had their back otherwise they would still be in those ghettos.
First, don't say something rude yet apologize just before you say it, it makes you look like a dumbass! Second, its not even near the same thing, not even close... You mean like America finally let Indians create Casinos? Dude, if you even understood what you're talking about, perhaps you would understand the real truth.
Israel has tried to fix this, several times, so have millions of others… billions of dollars have been sent to those so called Palestinians, billions were stolen by those who claim to represent them, and those same people ordered others to kill and murder. You want to see evil, look to those who are said to help, support, and govern those so called Palestinians, and you will see the TRUE FACE of evil in this conflict! But that truth we must continue to ignore as we blame everything on Israel.

--Charles Marcello


[edit on 9-4-2009 by littlebunny]


reply posted on 9-4-2009 @ 03:24 PM by AllinTheMind89
Originally posted by littlebunny
Originally posted by AllinTheMind89
Originally posted by littlebunny





I can't even take what you say seriously, littlebunny. What do you have to back up any of your claims? I've read this entire thread and you are acting like a juvenile (in which case you may be, but whatever) You really just need to calm down and stop with the "macho-blow-everything-up-let's-kill-innocent-lives-with-mass-violence" deal.

This is probably a dumb question, but can anyone on here give me a non-biased definition of Zionism? Is it just one who is in favor of Israel pretty much? Regardless of their actions?



Am not, don't say such things, or I will stomp my feet and cry!

Are you freaken me? Are you really that freaken obtuse? REALLY! Actually, I mean, well you must be, you come to ATS to seek definitions to words, I mean how freaken grown up are you?

And I see, you read the whole freaken thread, yet... I must a juvenile! What the hell ever! Am not... am not... am not!

--Charles Marcello


Originally posted by littlebunny
What a crock of crap!

I wish Israel would stop being so nice to those terrorists or so called Palestinians who wish to seek them harm.

If I ran Israel every time those terrorists shot 100 pound rockets into Israel, I would drop 1000 pound bombs (plural) in the most (so called) Palestinians heavily populated neighborhoods. If they launched 1000 pound rockets, I would drop 10,000 pound bombs in those neighborhoods. If they used a suicide bomber(s), I would plant bombs in their cafe's, their dance halls, their hospitals, their bus stops, their crowed markets, times x10 per suicide or car bomb, truck bomb, etc…. Then and only then would the terrorism stop because they would have no where to go without fear of a bomb from a government planted explosive is finally purposely targeting their children, their women, their daughters... Just like those terrorists, (and those who support them, Syria, Iran, the old Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt etc…) or those so called Palestinian Government has been doing for fifty freaken years to Israel! Yet if you believe these blowhards here on ATS, Israel are the bad guys. I mean, If I ran Israel I would say screw it, these anti-Semites are going to hate us regardless of how much restraint we show and use daily... I would say, lets just go balls up and act just as horrific as the terrorists, or so called Palestine Government does, and then, maybe just maybe those anti-Semites would finally see us, (Israel), as the victims.

--Charles Marcello

(I crack myself up!)


[edit on 8-4-2009 by littlebunny]


Well, I think I just proved my point on your approval of killing innocents. "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." Yet, you don't care. Haha, you even wanted to kill MORE civilians than Palestine would have supposedly done to Israel.

I don't know what I'm "Freaken" you on. I mean, I have no idea what you're actually trying to say by that. Maybe some good old, well thought out English would help you get your point across, not some lame slang.

I never knew asking others of their knowledge on a subject is so juvenile. Geeze, we all mine as well never learn anything ever again from a teacher, professor, or anyone!

I'm pretty sure everyone else on the thread agrees that your views/ideas are ridiculous, somewhat radical. But, whatever, I'm sure this won't change anything and you'll go about your way putting in your opinion with not a lot of fact. *Sigh*
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