Very interesting Mike as usual. However I have to agree with some others, at this point the most logical thing is to assume it is man made. Yes it is unlikely that it fell from a satellite or something but that is more likely then being an Alien Artifact. I think we need to take into consideration that at the very least it does resemble things that are man made so it is not far out to use that in determining what this could be.

Either way keep up the good work Mike, I love to see your posts. I am a believe but I am just tired of getting disappointed so I am trying to be more realistic.

That circular piece of machinery is actually a toast rack as pictured in ancient sumerian drawings.

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The first pic looks more like a drill bit or boring bit to me. Everyone keeps saying that it seems to be part of a lander, probe or rover. What do these things just fall off the mechanism? I don't think so. If so where is the rest of it? I know that several probes have crashed but there would be much more debris and a crater would there not? If it was left behind by a manned mission where is the footprints and soil disturbance? Unless it was there for a very very long time this disturbance would still be there in my mind.

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Originally posted by ziggystar60
I also know that this is just an idea, and it may be crazy. But I think it is very possible that there have been missions to the Moon that have been kept secret. And the resemblance between the artifact and the Lunokhod antenna IS striking.

Ahh ziggy! That's the type of stuff that's right up my alley!! You know I love conspiracies!!

You may be spot on. We don't know what the heck's really going on behind the scenes! Could very well be parts of a failed landing that's been kept under wraps!

Cheers!

Originally posted by underpassdweller Similarly, I've wondered why our military satellites can supposedly ID a single person through 35 miles of polluted atmosphere here on earth yet they can't take a single decent hi-res picture of the moon. There's an obvious explanation for your bewilderment. You've confused Hollywood's 'Enemy of the State' (Will Smith) with reality. Such resolution remains physically impossible, while making some people (eg, bin Laden) THINK it's possible has tactical advantages).

Nevertheless, anyone can use satellite view on Google Maps and easily distinguish their car in the driveway of their house - seems anything the size of the lunar lander or bigger would be extremely easy to ID.

That looks like an auger bit. Any reason not to think it is a part from the spacecraft that either broke off or was intended to disconnect upon landing?

the lunar soil is dirty so anything coming off one of our missions would look "old" as soon as it picked up all that dust.

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by underpassdweller
Similarly, I've wondered why our military satellites can supposedly ID a single person through 35 miles of polluted atmosphere here on earth yet they can't take a single decent hi-res picture of the moon.

There's an obvious explanation for your bewilderment. You've confused Hollywood's 'Enemy of the State' (Will Smith) with reality. Such resolution remains physically impossible, while making some people (eg, bin Laden) THINK it's possible has tactical advantages).

Oh, so from that comment, I'm assuming that you know what the capabilities are, of our top secret spy satelites are then?

Very, very intriguing...S&F.

I'm on the fence as to whether it came from Earth or from somewhere else. While I'm familiar with most of the purported activities taking place (or that have taken place) on the moon, this isn't something that has made me jump in my seat.

Show me the far side. And all of it.

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by underpassdweller
Similarly, I've wondered why our military satellites can supposedly ID a single person through 35 miles of polluted atmosphere here on earth yet they can't take a single decent hi-res picture of the moon.

There's an obvious explanation for your bewilderment. You've confused Hollywood's 'Enemy of the State' (Will Smith) with reality. Such resolution remains physically impossible, while making some people (eg, bin Laden) THINK it's possible has tactical advantages).

outright misinformation.

I remember in the 70s my dad showing me a national geographic detailing a satellite image that could zoom from space into the cell structure of a hand. So you are misinformed or BSing.

The ONLY reason NAZA does not allow images like this is because they KNOW there is no bloody flag up there - and the ETs that own the moon (craft) have made it loud and clear their moon is not property of the NAZA UZA.

I'm sorry but the more I read about you and your posts the more suspect you seem, astronaut expert or not, you should know better than to come to ATS with the "If it's in a movie - it can never happen in real life" BS. Which brings me to ask exactly WHY you are on a conspiracy site in the 1st place?

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I don't think any of us will know exactly what it is for sure. We must all keep in mind that it isn't easy as 1-2-3 to identify things, especially in space. Although our technology has advanced beyond any thing we could have possibly imagined in the past, we still don't have sufficient advancement with our telescopes that we use to gaze into the great beyond. Also keep in mind that objects can cast shadows and manipulate in appearance as some thing different... these are obviously not natural-looking things but you never know, it could also be a hoax or remnants of satellite debris. Keep in mind that we have literally hundreds of satellites that orbit the Earth and that not all of them can avoid being hit by asteroids and such. Very interesting though, if you hear any thing further about it I would be interested to hear what you've got to say!

-Risingsun