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Originally posted by slugger9787
Dear Mr. Seeker of Truth,
Your age is written all over your post.
Never the less.
"Medical science? When it still have not even scratch the surface of comprehension how the mind works, with everything still knowledge in progress?"
We have no treatment for RABIES. The best thing to do with a rabid dog is to shoot it.
You would demonstrate compassion to a rabid dog, can we ship the RABID dogs to your house so you can be compassionate?
There are certain Dx'es APD that there is no treatment for, so compassionately either lock them up for the remainder of their life, and if circumstances warrant, execution.
Originally posted by Xiamara
reply to post by unityemissions
that has to be one of the most sickening things i have read on this site. Killing children diagnosed with sociopathic/psychopathic tenancies. You as a person actually disgust me. Killing children because they have a mental disorder that may not be passed down. How can you call your self in any way compassionate. Children are innocent and Antisocial Personality Disorder CAN BE TREATED. Congrats what you suggest is what the Nazi's in Germany did to the mentally insane. Also have you ever studied psychology? I don't mean to flame but this is sickening and I have to say it hits me to the core seeing as my own cousin as a child displayed psychopathic symptoms and when directed he can function perfectly well.
Three decades of these studies, by Hare and others, has confirmed that psychopaths' brains work differently from ours, especially when processing emotion and language. Hare once illustrated this for Nicole Kidman, who had invited him to Hollywood to help her prepare for a role as a psychopath in Malice. How, she wondered, could she show the audience there was something fundamentally wrong with her character? "I said, 'Here's a scene that you can use,' " Hare says. " 'You're walking down a street and there's an accident. A car has hit a child in the crosswalk. A crowd of people gather round. You walk up, the child's lying on the ground and there's blood running all over the place. You get a little blood on your shoes and you look down and say, "Oh #." You look over at the child, kind of interested, but you're not repelled or horrified.
You're just interested. Then you look at the mother, and you're really fascinated by the mother, who's emoting, crying out, doing all these different things. After a few minutes you turn away and go back to your house. You go into the bathroom and practice mimicking the facial expressions of the mother.' " He then pauses and says, "That's the psychopath: somebody who doesn't understand what's going on emotionally, but understands that something important has happened."
Hare's research upset a lot of people. Until the psychopath came into focus, it was possible to believe that bad people were just good people with bad parents or childhood trauma and that, with care, you could talk them back into being good. Hare's research suggested that some people behaved badly even when there had been no early trauma. Moreover, since psychopaths' brains were in fundamental ways different from ours, talking them into being like us might not be easy. Indeed, to this day, no one has found a way to do so. "Some of the things he was saying about these individuals, it was unheard of," says Dr. Steven Stein, a psychologist and ceo of Multi-Health Systems in Toronto, the publisher of the Psychopathy Checklist. "Nobody believed him thirty years ago, but Bob hasn't wavered, and now everyone's where he is.
Everyone's come full circle, except a small group who believe it's bad upbringing, family poverty, those kinds of factors, even though scientific evidence has shown that's not the case. There are wealthy psychopaths who've done horrendous things, and they were brought up in wonderful families." "There's still a lot of opposition -- some criminologists, sociologists, and psychologists don't like psychopathy at all," Hare says. "I can spend the entire day going through the literature -- it's overwhelming, and unless you're semi-brain-dead you're stunned by it -- but a lot of people come out of there and say, 'So what? Psychopathy is a mythological construct.' They have political and social agendas: 'People are inherently good,' they say.
'Just give them a hug, a puppy dog, and a musical instrument and they're all going to be okay.' " If Hare sounds a little bitter, it's because a decade ago, Correctional Service of Canada asked him to design a treatment program for psychopaths, but just after he submitted the plan in 1992, there were personnel changes at the top of CSC. The new team had a different agenda, which Hare summarizes as, "We don't believe in the badness of people." His plan sank without a trace. By the late 1970s, after fifteen years in the business, Bob Hare knew what he was looking for when it came to psychopaths. They exhibit a cluster of distinctive personality traits, the most significant of which is an utter lack of conscience. They also have huge egos, short tempers, and an appetite for excitement -- a dangerous mix. In a typical prison population, about 20 percent of the inmates satisfy the Hare definition of a psychopath, but they are responsible for over half of all violent crime.
Originally posted by Demetre
I dont think you've been in a situation to where You've had to deal with someone with this.
You might know someone or come across them but to be subject to them without choice is more than some can understand.
Whether people are 'born evil' or not, I dont know?? I do know that it takes an evil person to do the things she's done.
Would you feel compassion for those who torment and torture others because they can?
I dont feel compassion for someone who's done the things they have, it is definately wasted on some pple. I have no compassion for molesters or parents that beat their children resulting in a lifetime of seizures. like she did my brother. Especially those theyre supposed to protect and love.
I spent 30 yrs of my life forgiving and giving compassion to someone who has no idea how to be a decent human being. I've begged for love and acceptance where it should be a given. I've made excuses for her over and again. She has no regret, there is only her in her f'ed up world. That is how compassion can be a waste. I have compassion for those who suffer, those who want to change their ways and are sorry for the things they've done. I havent any for cold hearted, down right rotten ppl who take advantage of and abuse those who cant protect themselves. Theyre okay with it, they havent a problem with the pain they cause others and even enjoy it. She's autonomous, a robot, who doesnt suffer because she's unable to.
Are you really okay with molestors and child beaters?
Do you honestly feel sorry for those who allow their kids to be abused sexually?
Those who drop off and leave their 10 yr old to take care of a 7 year old and a 6 month old, days, sometimes a wk or 2 at a time?
Thats when I think compassion is wasted. Place that compassion with the victims, with my brothers, not some shell of a person who doesnt care to accept the help thats offered. You can only say what you'd do hypothetically. With all respect intended, honest, live it and get back to me.
I'd like to add that I wish no harm to her, She's my mom. I mourn for the mother we've never had and deserved. I dont want her locked up or executed but help should be forced upon her, for her sake and everyone elses. Who knows, she might even become decent to the other lives around her. My brothers and I liken her to the Grinch but her heart never did grow. Gotta make jokes where you can, sometimes thats the only way you can deal.
For all the caution that individuals with APD should inspire, the condition may be treatable in the presence of certain conditions and characteristics, Gabbard said.
These include depression, anxiety, the ability to form a therapeutic alliance, and some evidence of a superego. Any of these is likely to indicate that the individual is not of the psychopathic subgroup of APD.
Even then, optimism should be guarded, and excessive expectations should be avoided. He outlined some fundamentals of engaging the antisocial personality:
• The clinician must be stable, persistent, and incorruptible and should be alert to the likelihood of legal problems and legal entanglements.
• The patient’s minimalization of antisocial behavior should be confronted in the here and now, and an attempt should be made to connect actions to internal states.
• Axis I conditions should be identified, as should situational factors that worsen behaviors.
• Countertransference must be monitored to avoid acting out on the part of the clinician.
The factors that do not favor therapy—probably indicative of a psychopathic subtype—include a history of sadistic violence resulting in death or injury to others, a total absence of remorse, a historical incapacity to form emotional attachments, and a level of intelligence that is either in the range of mildly mentally retarded or very superior.