STOP the socialisms!

Originally posted by David9176
No no.

I don't agree with capitalism.

I want my government to control it all.

In exchange for mutliple entities controlling my life, why not have one TO RULE THEM ALL.

Let's face it, they've been doing a wonderful job.

We should let them run everything.

I don't mind paying all my money in taxes as long as I get what's coming to me.

To hell with individualism, let's all be the same.

To hell with the "NEO CONS".

It's all their fault.

That is my favorite word by the way....NEO CONS.

I can barely pass up using this word in my posts.

To hell with capitalism!

YA it is one of my favorite words 2!

SO what I am saying is -

IF this is a CAPITALIST society and we do not want to be bailed out, why not INVEST?

That is the FREE MARKET way correct?

If folks do not want to invest what do you suggest D?

Contrary to what you may think, I DO appreciate your POV.

THERE is a low influx of CAPITAL, providing a cascading failure across sectors -

there are two quick solutions to this.

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by mental modulator
Education is overrated

WHAT??? Are you being serious here?

Btw, what is wrong with socialism?

SOVIET UNION -

DEBT passed on to our children, for starters.

Not to mention rewarding lazy people who lost their jobs.

Originally posted by David9176
No no.

I don't agree with capitalism.

I want my government to control it all.

In exchange for mutliple entities controlling my life, why not have one TO RULE THEM ALL.

Let's face it, they've been doing a wonderful job.

We should let them run everything.

I don't mind paying all my money in taxes as long as I get what's coming to me.

To hell with individualism, let's all be the same.

To hell with the "NEO CONS".

It's all their fault.

That is my favorite word by the way....NEO CONS.

I can barely pass up using this word in my posts.

To hell with capitalism!

Wow, just wow!

Do you even know what NEO CON means?

What exactly is, "what is coming to you?"

The only thing anyone has coming to them is death and taxes, the rest you earn or you live without. Unless of course you have welfare and you want to look like Angelina Jolie Or unless of course you're one of those people who believe a small group of people know better then you. Because that is all that socialism is. People who believe you're a dumbass, so they have the power to tell you what you need, what you desire and what you will be. If you want that kind of a country, there are plenty to choose from. Each are failing miserably across the planet because it destroys the human spirit, but hey they do exist.

BTW, I am an American first type of person... The rest of the world is second in all things IMO. I believe the United States should completely destroy our enemies and their people, I mean completely destroy there will to fight... like we did in World War 2. I believe all countries who threaten this country should be dealt with in the most severest ways possible. I truly do believe these things... Some would say I am a NEO CON... Even though I am not a Jew. However, I believe Israel should destroy all who threaten it as well. So perhaps, depending on your interpretation, would you call me a NEO CON because I have Jewish sympathies?

So please, explain what the hell does NEO CON mean to you, because I'm not sure you have any idea what the hell you are talking about... but that is just my opinion, until… please explain what you mean!

Thanks in advance!

--Charles Marcello

Originally posted by mental modulator
SO, I am saying to all who HATE the GOVERNMENT intrusion - INVEST! INVEST! INVEST!

I don't know about that. The US dollar is doomed, and so is the US economy. With this much debt, particularly foreign debt, there is little hope that things will ever be as they once were.

The only logical solution is for all 50 states to declare their independence, sovereignty, and succeed from the union. And here is why that is a good idea: This idea will, essentially, rid us of all this debt. Keen idea, eh? This is how it will work.

As each state declares itself independent and issues its own new currency, the remaining states still part of the USA will still be stuck with all that USA national debt. But, eventually, we get down to the last state that becomes officially independent. Thus, that leave only the District of Columbia left as part of the USA. And, since the US government has been, essentially, dismantled, there will be nobody left in DC, thus nobody responsible for any of that national debt, which is connected to that tiny little nation, composed entirely of the District of Columbia. Sweet, eh? (see, my solution to this whole mess is one paragraph long. smart, eh? ha)

The rest of the world will be stuck with those funny money promissory notes (US dollars) that will be connected to a tiny little piece of unoccupied land (USA .. a.k.a. Deserted Country). Funny, eh?

And, as a bonus, each of these new 50 states will have to rewrite their entire law, as the USA laws are no longer applicable, and since they are no longer a state their state laws are no longer applicable. And during this process of writing up their new laws, they can absolve all of its citizens debts with those now non-existent USA banks and lenders. The terms of all those contracts are for a now defunct currency, so they are, essentially, valueless. ("Okay, here's your $50,000 USA dollars for the balance on my mortgage, ha! Good luck on spending any of that anywhere, HAR!")

We could be out and from under all of this national debt by spring if every state acted fast and they all together declare their independence. It would be like a clean break and new start. Of course, the rest of the world holding all those trillion of USA dollars will be quite pissed .. but, what can they do? Just tell them to go get [self-censored], the USA is over there (indicating D.C.), this is the nation of Texas (or whatever).

Oh, and after things settle down, all of the states can begin to form new unions, such as a commie union for all of the socialists, and a freedom union for all of the rest. And, I suppose a few states can remain rouge and independent, just to keep things interesting. Rhode Island can become like our Gaza or North Korea, feeling the pressure of being this tiny little disadvantaged nation that nobody wants to really recognize and subsidize, ha.

Keen solution, eh? I thought of it all by myself some time ago. I'm gonna run for president when my state becomes independent, ha. And then I'm gonna declare war on Canada.

Originally posted by mental modulator
SOVIET UNION -

DEBT passed on to our children, for starters.

You don't see that happening? Has been for a long time. THAT being under the "capitalist" umbrella.

Not to mention rewarding lazy people who lost their jobs.

"Lazy people"? What about those that lost their jobs because of the greedy capitalistic system? Let's call someone from Chrysler's plants in Michigan and see how they feel about how capitalism is treating them at the moment.

Btw, the SU wasn't socialistic. It was a butchered form of communism. You really should do more research.



Edit: You still didn't answer my question as to whether you were serious about the value of an education.

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reply to post by mental modulator

IF this is a CAPITALIST society and we do not want to be bailed out, why not INVEST? That is the FREE MARKET way correct?

Who in their right freakin mind would invest in stock right now other than precious metals?

Would you honestly do it? This has nothing to do with capitalism. It has to do with people being worried about everything tanking because THE DAMN GOVERMENT IS SPENDING TOO MUCH MONEY. People are worried about the value of the dollar tanking.

You are missing the whole point. It's a contradiction. You are giving the exact reason NOT to do it. The exact reason NOT to spend. People want to wait till things blow over then it will recover. When the government keeps blowing ridiculous amounts of money and countries don't even want to buy our treasuries anymore because of it why would anyone with a mind buy stocks in anything American right now.

People are afraid man and you can't blame them. This whole thing you are trying to do is pointless in my mind. I try to have respect for your views as well but you don't need to act they way you are in this thread.

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Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by ProfEmeritus

 

He's just belittling anyone who doesn't agree with his views. That's what this whole thread is about.

Basically he's trying to make anyone who doesn't agree with his views look unintelligent.

YES DAVID you got me pegged!

I am just trying make people look unintelligent. Hell, you can tell by my writing that I am a well educated guy!

My point might be, that there are not many options to infuse the economy with capital.

My point could be that if people do not want socialism - put their MONEY and their MOUTH on the same tile.

OR Maybe some people could have suggested,

ENDING the TWO wars...

OR ending SS and unemployment.

OR whatever!

The point might be to get past the grumbling and the circular arguments.



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reply to post by intrepid


Intrepid. He's trolling. It's okay.

reply to post by littlebunny


UHH we didn't completely destroy anything in WWII. I'm pretty Hiroshima is populated again, despite our stupidity and megalomania. And not caring about the rest of the world just shows that you're a bad global citizen, and self absorbed to boot! Good job! Hell yeah, Americans are awesome!

Originally posted by littlebunny
I believe the United States should completely destroy our enemies and their people, I mean completely destroy there will to fight... like we did in World War 2. I believe all countries who threaten this country should be dealt with in the most severest ways possible. I truly do believe these things...

Destroy their people? Like in WW2?
You not only despise having a universal healthcare and education system but also want to get people killed

www.youtube.com...

You should watch that hehe.

Originally posted by intrepid
"Lazy people"? What about those that lost their jobs because of the greedy capitalistic system?

Sorry to tell you this, but a job is not a right! It is nobody else's responsibility in life to create and provide jobs for the rest of humanity. No human owes another human a job. A job is simply something one offers to another which they can accept or reject. Just because someone looses a job doesn't mean they are lazy, unless they expect it is someone else's responsibility to create another job for them. Anyone can hire themselves instead and become self employed, only the lazy seem to forget this fact.

Greed is a good thing! More people should become greedy, then they too could stop complaining. I mean, what's wrong with someone making as much money as they please? If someone doesn't like their job and what they are being paid, they can quit their job working for another and start their own damn business and be as greedy and make as much money as they desire. Greed is an attribute that everyone should adopt, it would solve so many problems and make everyone wealthy.

Originally posted by sadisticwoman
reply to post by intrepid

 

Intrepid. He's trolling. It's okay.

reply to post by littlebunny

 

UHH we didn't completely destroy anything in WWII. I'm pretty Hiroshima is populated again, despite our stupidity and megalomania. And not caring about the rest of the world just shows that you're a bad global citizen, and self absorbed to boot! Good job! Hell yeah, Americans are awesome!

First, I'm trolling... Everything you have said so far is just worthless banter, and I am trolling, WTFever!

(and Intrepid I will find those links, they are on my puter somewhere. There are plenty of things to read, Google, the death of Socialized Healthcare, to start your education.)

Second, have you even read a freaken history book? What, you thought I meant to blow chunks off the planet? You say I'm trolling and you say ridiculous stuff like that? And I am a great global citizen, I believe in helping those WHO CANNOT help themselves, helping, not caring for them for the rest of their lives. However, lazy people who can work but CHOOSE NOT TOO can die for all I care. And America's enemies I want dead, dead, dead and I don't care how that sounds! Self absorbed, when I am thinking about the entire safety of a/my country... Do you even know what that word means? And HELL YES, Americans are freaken AWESOME!

--Charles Marcello


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reply to post by mental modulator

ENDING the TWO wars... OR ending SS and unemployment.

I'm all for ending the wars. Social Security is a failed program that will inevitably fall because we are flat broke...beyond broke. Besides, you can't just take people off of it one day and say, "ok, fend for yourselves..I don't care if you are disabled or 100 years old. Get a job lazy ass."

I've always thought that people should have an account that is perfectly safe, NOT played in the stock market like 401ks, that is funded only by them and cannot be used by anyone or than them. The rest of the money not used would be given away by wills.

Unemployment? You have to have it, unemployment should be state run though, as it is. If we didn't have unemployment things would be even worse right now.

Can it be considered Socialistic? You bet. Do i think things like this should be limited as much as possible? Of course.

Big government is a bad thing for all of us. We are all angry about what has transpired. Banks have done a horrible job with responsibility, but one could make the case that our government is far worse. You can't call a looming 53 trillion dollar debt responsible.

Letting the government control everything is essentially putting the country under one gigantic business that would be "Too Big to Fail." It's too big to fail now...and it will.

Watch. It's lashing and leeching out to everything in society and it's going to pull the whole country into poverty.

[edit on 15-2-2009 by David9176]

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by mental modulator

 

IF this is a CAPITALIST society and we do not want to be bailed out, why not INVEST? That is the FREE MARKET way correct?

Who in their right freakin mind would invest in stock right now other than precious metals?

Would you honestly do it? This has nothing to do with capitalism. It has to do with people being worried about everything tanking because THE DAMN GOVERMENT IS SPENDING TOO MUCH MONEY. People are worried about the value of the dollar tanking.

You are missing the whole point. It's a contradiction. You are giving the exact reason NOT to do it. The exact reason NOT to spend. People want to wait till things blow over then it will recover. When the government keeps blowing ridiculous amounts of money and countries don't even want to buy our treasuries anymore because of it why would anyone with a mind buy stocks in anything American right now.

People are afraid man and you can't blame them. This whole thing you are trying to do is pointless in my mind. I try to have respect for your views as well but you don't need to act they way you are in this thread.

I know that you are a smart guy but it doesn't justify you being a prick all the time either.

AH, ding ding!

You hit it out of the park!

Who would invest in an economy like this?

Considering the fact that we cannot force private investments.

The only other option I can think of is GOVERNMENT -

AND I would much rather it be my government than CHINA - again...

OR the other things you have pointed out before are good points that should be explored.

I mean to FRANK David, I can't even get the time of day here. I try to point out the very pickle we are in and all of a sudden I am a socialist.

SO I wanted to see if the people who slam GOVERNMENT intervention would be willing to invest.

AFTER that point is established WE are all in the same boat. Hopefully that hard bridge to cross can induce thoughtful discussion - NOT in this thread.

I used the approach that I did to solicit the answer you provided.

SORRY if it offends you

And our favorite word, is out of frustration... Because I see a very simple yet nuanced debate that has been framed like the election.

TERRORIST
MUSLIM
ZIONIST


SOCIALIST

BTW I don't blame people for being scared - but I also do not condone the DUMBING DOWN of and very difficult matter. SO I went lower in hopes of raising the standard

Originally posted by Divinorumus

Greed is a good thing!

Say what?

More people should become greedy, then they too could stop complaining.

No seriously. You have to be joking. FIRST: Greed will make you complain MORE. It makes you bratty and snotty, and being greedy means feeling like you are owed something. Second, greed is terrible for everyone involved. It leaves the greedy feeling always unfulfilled, and leaves the rest of us scorned and burned.

I mean, what's wrong with someone making as much money as they please?

And what's wrong with helping those who CAN'T?!

If someone doesn't like their job and what they are being paid, they can quit their job working for another and start their own damn business and be as greedy and make as much money as they desire.

It very rarely works that way, especially considering that it costs a considerable amount of money to even start a company. Then you have to realize there's risk involved, because not every small company succeeds. There are many more barriers to starting a company than just wanting to do it.

Greed is an attribute that everyone should adopt, it would solve so many problems and make everyone wealthy.

This is just ridiculous.

[edit on 15-2-2009 by sadisticwoman]

Originally posted by littlebunny

Originally posted by sadisticwoman
reply to post by intrepid

 

Intrepid. He's trolling. It's okay.

reply to post by littlebunny

 

UHH we didn't completely destroy anything in WWII. I'm pretty Hiroshima is populated again, despite our stupidity and megalomania. And not caring about the rest of the world just shows that you're a bad global citizen, and self absorbed to boot! Good job! Hell yeah, Americans are awesome!

First, I'm trolling... Everything you have said so far is just worthless banter, and I am trolling, WTFever!

(and Intrepid I will find those links, they are on my puter somewhere. There are plenty of things to read, Google, the death of Socialized Healthcare, to start your education.)

Second, have you even read a freaken history book? What, you thought I meant to blow chunks off the planet? You say I'm trolling and you say ridiculous stuff like that? And I am a great global citizen, I believe in helping those WHO CANNOT help themselves, helping, not caring for them for the rest of their lives. However, lazy people who can work but CHOOSE NOT TOO can die for all I care. And America's enemies I want dead, dead, dead and I don't care how that sounds! Self absorbed, when I am thinking about the entire safety of a/my country... Do you even know what that word means? And HELL YES, Americans are freaken AWESOME!

--Charles Marcello


[edit on 15-2-2009 by littlebunny]

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you were mental modulator. Because that's who Intrepid was replying to. And I was replying to Intrepid with the troll remark.

Originally posted by Divinorumus
Sorry to tell you this, but a job is not a right! It is nobody else's responsibility in life to create and provide jobs for the rest of humanity. No human owes another human a job.

I hate to tell you this mate but if you can't do everything for yourself employees become an intrinsic part of your bottom line. That's an economic fact. I'm talking about those that have worked forever at a job, solid job, only to find themselves out of work. No gas money, let alone paying the utilities. What does a 19 year man on the line do when he's out of work? Beg for food stamps?

Greed is a good thing! More people should become greedy, then they too could stop complaining. I mean, what's wrong with someone making as much money as they please? If someone doesn't like their job and what they are being paid, they can quit their job working for another and start their own damn business and be as greedy and make as much money as they desire. Greed is an attribute that everyone should adopt, it would solve so many problems and make everyone wealthy.

Hey, do you work for a bank? We're seeing how well that's working right now. Oh wait, it isn't. GREED is what's gotten the US in the situation it's in now. That's OK, blame socialism, easy target. Even your parents remember the Soviet Union.

I put it to you. GO WITH THE GREED. Let us know how that works out. Don't cry though when the moneyed take back what they think is theirs and you NEED those food stamps to buy groceries to feed your family.

Originally posted by sadisticwoman

Originally posted by littlebunny

Originally posted by sadisticwoman
reply to post by intrepid

 

Intrepid. He's trolling. It's okay.

reply to post by littlebunny

 

UHH we didn't completely destroy anything in WWII. I'm pretty Hiroshima is populated again, despite our stupidity and megalomania. And not caring about the rest of the world just shows that you're a bad global citizen, and self absorbed to boot! Good job! Hell yeah, Americans are awesome!

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you were mental modulator. Because that's who Intrepid was replying to. And I was replying to Intrepid with the troll remark.

And I'm sorry, I can't read minds but I can read and understand what seems to be intent. If it was not your intent to put me into that trolling category then I APOLOGIZE! I always admit if/and when I am wrong. I mean even God can't be perfect all the time, he did allow for Socialism for christs sake!

--Charles Marcello



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reply to post by littlebunny


Whine moar.

And no, I didn't mean to call you a troll. I'd be more likely to call you wrong, misinformed, or misguided. Being a troll would point to you not really believing what you are typing. Which unfortunately, I think you do.

I was replying to two separate posts- I apologize if you didn't know that it's in the rules that we should not double post, and that we should condense our replies into one post whenever possible.

[edit on 15-2-2009 by sadisticwoman]

reply to post by mental modulator


Well that's the thing...if you are for government intervention on this issue you are really for China's intervention as they are the ones who are really funding this...if not...then it's printed and that's bad for everyone.

When one of the leaders of China (don't remember the name) is saying, "Yeah, we will buy your treasuries even though we know you are going to devalue the dollar." He then basically said they are forced to do it and they hate us for it.

I understand where you are coming from but the reality is different. Two different ideologies of the public will in turn implode the country is what i'm perceiving from your post.

After this thing is signed, the stock market is going to tank. It may not be immediately but it's going to happen because people are scared of what spending like this will do to the value of the dollar which is our REAL life blood, not jobs as you've stated in other posts...imo.

We're screwed. There is no way around it. We are toast. Getting more jobs but devaluing the dollar is horrible for everyone.

The old saying, "the bigger they are, the harder they fall" will become the truth for this country.

It's sad man. It's a damn travesty and I hope to hell that i'm wrong.

Originally posted by sadisticwoman
reply to post by littlebunny

 

Whine moar.

And no, I didn't mean to call you a troll. I'd be more likely to call you wrong, misinformed, or misguided. Being a troll would point to you not really believing what you are typing. Which unfortunately, I think you do.

I was replying to two separate posts- I apologize if you didn't know that it's in the rules that we should not double post, and that we should condense our replies into one post whenever possible.

[edit on 15-2-2009 by sadisticwoman]

I was beginning to think there is no way you believe what you are saying, because everything you have posted has already been proven a complete failure. But, unfortunately, I am starting to think you actually might believe in those failed philosophies . With a name like sadistic, that would make perfect sense why you believe in socialism, because you have to be sadistic to even consider such a destructive style of government. One needs to look no further then the twentieth century to understand that truthful statement/reality.

Like I have said, I believe socialism is pure evil... But I don't hate the person just the belief system. As long as we stay within those parameters everything will always remain, feisty and perhaps sometimes heated... but never so personal as to never say sorry when needed and apologize when wrong!

--Charles Marcello


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