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Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
True Christians never even knew they were christian or anything else for that matter. "I came to those who did not know me"...is what God says, yet Jesus says, "My sheep know my voice. They will not follow another..."
Originally posted by Ant4AU
reply to post by John Matrix
The problem is that the dogma connected to Christianity doesn’t allow for people to think on their own. It states that the heads of the church are right no matter what you personally believe. That is the reason people find it hard to put credit to it. The dogma creates the brainwashed closed mindedness. A lot of people can’t look past the dogma and study on their own. Not realizing that a lot of today’s Christians do not follow the church and study on their own and realize that they are now closer to God and are stronger spiritually. If you seek you will find what you are looking for you just have to want the answer and ask the right questions. My opinion only.
Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by John Matrix
If i couldnt explain to you everything that jesus taught with logic. Then i would expect you to still lean on some ignorance in a book. You dont need a heaven or a hell to love and understand your brother... and if you do .. then you are already in hell.
Originally posted by Ant4AU
reply to post by Wertdagf
You are the perfect person that represents that the dogma of Christianity is the problem. You are holding that against the religion. The teachings of the scriptures is what is important. If you replace God with karma there is still punishment for bad deeds. The meaning of the words are what is important. Once the dogma of the Christian faith is looked past then you see the truth behind the religion.
Religion actually promises a fulfilled life. If you live your life doing good deeds even karma rewards you for good deeds. Yes people can have love and understanding without a God. But that does not prove that God doesn’t exist.
I would have to agree with you that those who are stuck to the dogma are stuck in the grand delusion. I am not suffering for my beliefs. I truly feel sorry for you if you think that the fact that I believe in God is hindering me. Feeling love and forgiveness is ignorant? I will definitely need an explanation on that one.
Originally posted by Wertdagf
Originally posted by Ant4AU
reply to post by Wertdagf
Love and forgiveness are NOT possible without Understanding.
Yes and people come by understanding in many different ways. No one way is the right way for everybody. I don't think that I understand everything there is to know about God and don't expect anyone to think that I do. We spend our whole lives trying to understand people and what they do. Understand the world and the way it is. Saying that you know the one way is just as delusional as any Christian who feels his interpretation of the scriptures is correct.
I am not trying to change your beliefs, you are free to believe or know what ever it is you feel is right for you. And nothing you say in this forum is going to change the believers minds. Your words help us even more to believe in our faith.
Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by John Matrix
If it wasnt for a world of people suffering because of their ignroance it would be. The few with a bit of logic get stuck on religion which enslaves them and promises punishment for anyone who doubts the grand delusion.
This ignorance of love and forgiveness. Ignorance of Faith. Its sickening...
I will walk on their ashes.
Originally posted by John Matrix
reply to post by bandaidctrl
Can you find a link to that book on Shamanism?
Originally posted by John Matrix
Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by John Matrix
If it wasnt for a world of people suffering because of their ignroance it would be. The few with a bit of logic get stuck on religion which enslaves them and promises punishment for anyone who doubts the grand delusion.
This ignorance of love and forgiveness. Ignorance of Faith. Its sickening...
I will walk on their ashes.
So if you love me and forgive me, you are ignorant?
Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by Ant4AU
The bible doesnt teach why you should forgive others. It tells you to do it or go to hell. The bible doesnt teach you to love... it tells you to do it or got to hell. The bible doesnt teach you understanding............. IT SAYS DO WHAT I SAY OR GO TO HELL.
pitifull religion.
Originally posted by John Matrix
Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by Ant4AU
The bible doesnt teach why you should forgive others. It tells you to do it or go to hell. The bible doesnt teach you to love... it tells you to do it or got to hell. The bible doesnt teach you understanding............. IT SAYS DO WHAT I SAY OR GO TO HELL.
pitifull religion.
There are two Ways to Live.
One is for "Self" which has all of it's delusions, deceptions, controls, rules, which leads to strife, conflict, wars, murders, lies, injustices, crimes, etc.
The other is for God which is Love, forgiveness, reconciliation, restoration, Humility, Meekness, Patience, etc.
[edit on 21-1-2009 by John Matrix]
The Way i discribe LOVE, FORGIVENESS, and UNDERSTANDING are found NOWHERE in the bible. The bible instead tells you to remain ignorant of these things and believe it or GO TO HELL.
What Need do you have of a book that threatens DAMNATION if you do not willfully give over yourself to be a slave to ignorance.
Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by John Matrix
The Way i discribe LOVE, FORGIVENESS, and UNDERSTANDING are found NOWHERE in the bible. The bible instead tells you to remain ignorant of these things and believe it or GO TO HELL.
What is so hard for you to understand. Show me those things in the bible that you agree with me on... show me where they are in the bible. show me where your almightly god has explained these things as simply as i have.