Has Mankind been Duped into Rejecting The only Redeemer?, page 1
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reply posted on 19-1-2009 @ 06:12 PM by 5thElement
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There is no WE here, lol, speak for yourself.

Those who sacrifice their freedom of thought for a safety of "eternal" life are the ones who are actually fallen


reply posted on 19-1-2009 @ 06:21 PM by John Matrix
Originally posted by 5thElement
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post by John Matrix



There is no WE here, lol, speak for yourself.

Those who sacrifice their freedom of thought for a safety of "eternal" life are the ones who are actually fallen


Or, is it not possible that you are bound by Your fallen Nature, and therefore not as free as you think you are?

And, Is it not possible that there is a Higher nature, "A Supernatural Nature" one can have?



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reply posted on 19-1-2009 @ 06:29 PM by John Matrix
Originally posted by speaknoevil07
WE all have eternal life. How we spend it is the question...
How we spend it is a reflection of how we live here now......
Freedom of choice is totally ours......even if you don't believe
in a God we have freedom of choice. If you do believe in God, and if this is so, even the demons believe but are disobedient, you must realize that choosing thru freedom of choice to disobey God makes one no more salvagible than demons; who had the knowledge and decided to disobey. As humans we have some latitude because we are mortal and not fully knowledgeable. I look at it this way...1. If there is a god and I don't believe I am screwed...for eternity. The risk is not worth it. God says those who believe and have faith are blessed. I read the book and in the end........God wins. We each must choose which team to be on....forget the other stuff.....Gods team or Satans team. Pick. If this was gambling it would be a no brainer......God wins. My money is there and even so God will tell us everything after it is over. Right now the test if faith.....Faith Faith.......I can gamble my meager few mortal years on eternity and on Faith that God owns me. That is fine........he created all this including the internet that we use. He allows things......how we use it is up to us......that is the interesting part. Remember easy bet: God wins...... place your bets


Yes, I like what you have said.
Would you agree then, that we stand in the midst of two eternities, with a free will to live for one or the other, and at the end of one's life, either a devil or an angel will emerge and enter the appropriate entenity?



reply posted on 19-1-2009 @ 06:41 PM by John Matrix
reply to post by cancerian42



What I mean is that animals do what they seem to be programmed to do and never anything more. I've played some computer games and I started to see that, if you take any animal, they always act the same way, a lot like the Artificial Intelligence programing in some computer games.

OK, have a good laugh, I don't mind. If I can make you crack a smile, then I will take it as a good thing.

If it's a predator, they hunt, kill, eat, sleep, drink, that same way all the time. If a Cow, it does what cows always have done. Pick any animal, they do as they always have.

Surely the same can't be said for mankind who is obviously always looking for some higher state of being, and bettering for himself. Sure, some things in mankind's nature never change...such as his deceitfulness, even deceiving himself quite often etc.


reply posted on 19-1-2009 @ 06:43 PM by John Matrix
reply to post by huckfinn




I shall return in 30 min and discuss this more with everyone.
Thanks for you attention and patience.


reply posted on 19-1-2009 @ 06:48 PM by Ant4AU
reply to post by 5thElement





Those who sacrifice their freedom of thought for a safety of "eternal" life are the ones who are actually fallen


You do not have to sacrifice your freedom of thought to believe the Bible or to follow God. The true teachings of the bible are just to live a life not consumed by the world around you. To live a life that you could be proud of.

I am free to think for myself. I can ask why things are the way they are without being punished by God. Believing that there is a surpreme being that created the world and all that is in it doesn't make you a lunatic or a fanatic. If you believe then every thing that is happening today makes since to you.
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