Originally posted by John Matrix
Are we in a fallen state as the Bible says? If not, then why do we seek a higher state of consciousness, awakening, enlightenment, oneness with God,
The animals do what they have always done and nothing more.
Mankind is different, always striving to attain some higher state than His present one.
Has mankind been duped into believing He can attain a higher state of being without Christ as His redeemer?
Why? Why? Why?
Well I personally believe the fallen state can be taken from individual from individual, but the only worldwide fallen state I can think of was during
the dark ages, those were the days the bible was ripped apart, true books taken out false books added, purposeful mistranslations, King James adding
the word James more than it had originally had, although I do believe the King James version is still the most accurate english translation. Whenever
people are stoning prophets to death we are in a fallen state, people don't really stone to death anymore at least in the west, maybe they still do
in the middle east or China.
All these things are my opinions and I tend to write less and less on these forums about my religious opinions because they are un-provable, I'd say
man that has ever sought spirituality has always sought englightenment, many don't find it, because they aren't looking too hard, the answer is
right in front of everyones faces, all they have to do is ask the supreme being....
In asking the supreme being, I've found, you usually don't get an answer that is clear as day, but... what I've found is this, pray with the actual
belief that the supreme being or God is hearing your prayer in real-time, it takes a little faith, just believe that a being out there knows who you
are, knows your thoughts, knows your words, and in real-time can actually hear you like your on the phone, you can ask God anything thats on your
mind, but I've noticed if the questions are not specific you will not get a specific answer, if you ask a specific YES or NO question, you can get a
specific YES or NO answer, I *have* had yes or no questions answered by the supreme being so I know it works, one would say it was evil but God is
love and his Spirit is love and it can't easily be confused with the hateful spirit of evil, my yes or no questions were personal but no matter how
'dumb' the topic, no matter how funny the question, if you honestly want to know the answer, think about it for more than a few days, then ask
sincerely wanting to know.... That's a major step that athiests have with prayer, they might try it for mocking purposes or they might try it with
skepticism in their heart but if they ask sincerely being honest, they will get an answer the bible promises.
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: Matt 7:7
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. Luke 11:10
For those that aren't interested in knowing or asking, an interest can't be forced into them by me or anyone.
I do believe that many have been decieved by their religion, the ones that replace Christ with something else, of course non-christians woud not
agree, but Scientology for example, they replace Christ with mind over matter type thinking, it can only do so much good it can't redeem sin, there
will always be an emptyness to those that replace Christ, because sin can only be cleaned away through the sacrifice of Jesus. Through Jesus, the more
I repent the more quickened my mind is, the more I can focus on important matters, and be enlightened.
I do believe a form of enlightenment can be reached through meditation and being generally a good person, but it can't make one perfect except
[edit on 19-1-2009 by Razimus]