I can understand this almost universal hatred towards FOX news. It is completely clear to me now; particularly in the wake of the Obama election where media hysteria for a candidate was drummed up to such embarrasing all-time, lickspittle levels.

That campaign should now put so many supposedly "free thinking" and objective journalists to shame for their biassed and un-questioning promotion of the Obama camp. At least FOX to it's credit, was the only news channel that tentatively reached out with a few searching questions on policy and suitability that no other channel would dare touch because of PC -For which Fox were publically and universally slammed by other journalists and politicians for doing so!

Surely the American people have a right to expect their so called journalists to ask the questions as to the very vague nature of his policies, his dubious background and connections and even his questionable eligibilty to stand as presidential candidate at all!

By luck or design, FOX have ended up as probably the ONLY MSM channel that does not slavishly adhere to the liberalist dogma and dis-informative news that spews forth in predictable slanted diatribe form all the other media outlets. eg. CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ect...(And practically all the main newspapers) The majority of the rest of the MSM do this by either ommtiting pertinent details from news items they can't bury, to drafting in a rent-a-A.N. Other commentator to respond on a given news item that will corespond exactly with their own (the channel's) view only.

This process has got so bad and so prolific that there is almost (if not an actual) complete liberal faschist agenda that has taken over the media, with their ultimate power being PC. This means that anything that does not confirm exactly with their University media studies, socialist thinking, they ommit or slant to peddle in a certain way of thinking that distorts the real truth. In Europe it has reached biblical proportions in terms of the opaque, vague news that is now pumped out.

I am not a Democrat or Republican, (so this is a fairly objective complaint)but I tell you what, FOX, Is the only American channel where I have a vague hope of finding out any other side to a given story. Long may it continue, simply for the immense objective value of having an alternate opinion, even if you don't agree with it.

If you slam Fox news you slam freedom's a priori requirement for objectivity; -you don't have to agree with it, but I'd bet most of the American people would rather have a choice than none!

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Originally posted by Dusty Pouch
I can understand this almost univeral hatred towards FOX news. It is completely clear to me now; particularly in the wake of the Obama election where mdia hysteria for a candidate was drummed up to such embarrasing lickspittle levels.

This campaign should now put so many supposedly "free thinking" journalists to shame for their biassed and un-questioning promotion of the Obama camp. At least FOX to its credit, was the only news channel that tenatively reached out with a few searching questions on policy and suitability that no other channel would dare touch because of PC- shame on them!

By luck or design, FOX have ended up as probably the ONLY MSM channel that does not slavishly adhere to the liberalist dogma and dis-informative news that spews forth in predictable slanted diatribe form all the other media outlets. eg. CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ect...(And practically all the main newspapers) They do this by either ommtiting pertinent details from news items they can't bury, to drafting in a rent-a-A.N. Other commentator to respond on a given news item that will corespond exactly with their own (the channel's) view only.

This process has got so bad and so prolific that there is almost (if not an actual) complete liberal faschist agenda that has taken over the media, with their ultimate power being PC. This means that anything that does not confirm exactly with their University media studies socialist thinking, they ommit or slant to peddle a certain way of thinking that distorts the real truth. In Europe it has reached biblical proportions in terms of the opaque, vague news that is now pumped out.

I am not a Dem or Rep but I tell you what, FOX, Is the only American channel where I have a vague hope of finding out any other side to a given story. Long may it continue, simply for the immense objective value of having an alternate opinion, even if you don't agree with it.

If you slam Fox news you slam freedom's objectivity; -you don't have to agree with it, but I'd bet most of the American people would rather have a choice than none!

people also forget that there is a difference between a news reporter and a commentator. people such as bill orielly and hannity are commentators and they make their positions very clear on the channel. news reporters are not supposed to and that is why MSNBC and CNN are shamed on.

Sounds more like he wimped out on his own religion after seeing what real war and the real repercussion are like.

To me he described his conversion as a almighty intervention.
More like a shock induced hallucination.

Lol, and the fact that he goes from one fantasy religion to another shows he still doesnt see the "light" that none of these gods exist in the first place

Sounds more like he wimped out on his own religion after seeing what real war and the real repercussion are like.

To me he described his conversion as a almighty intervention.
More like a shock induced hallucination.

Lol, and the fact that he goes from one fantasy religion to another shows he still doesnt see the "light" that none of these gods exist in the first place

Originally posted by jam321
How dare you post this. Don't you know this guy is a betrayal to the cause? How dare you post the TRUTH about what they are really all about.

At least somebody is posting the truth.

Ya and dont bother posting any evidence either, since we dont need that stuff 'round here

And anyone who questions the vailidity or truthfullness of the story is a "Hamas Hater or Israel Hater"

i cant fathom that you people actually BELIEVE in these things without having been there yourself lol
Do you believe everything the media says?

talk about incredulous!

ATS is about questioning things,
so plz stop accepting things just because they fufill your personal aspirations and preconcieved notions

Personally I think this story is bias and bunk
You guys need better evidence than a "story" "allegedly" saying certain "things"

Like, anyone have evidence of Hamas torturing its own people???
It wouldnt surprise me (since they are lunatics) BUT i DOUBT anyone can prove it!

So really, its just a hallow accusation , baseless, being thossed around like a grenade in a war time . How predictable.

Shame on you guys for buying it without requiring Proof.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by jam321
How dare you post this. Don't you know this guy is a betrayal to the cause? How dare you post the TRUTH about what they are really all about.

At least somebody is posting the truth.

Ya and dont bother posting any evidence either, since we dont need that stuff 'round here

And anyone who questions the vailidity or truthfullness of the story is a "Hamas Hater or Israel Hater"

i cant fathom that you people actually BELIEVE in these things without having been there yourself lol
Do you believe everything the media says?

talk about incredulous!

ATS is about questioning things,
so plz stop accepting things just because they fufill your personal aspirations and preconcieved notions

Personally I think this story is bias and bunk
You guys need better evidence than a "story" "allegedly" saying certain "things"

Like, anyone have evidence of Hamas torturing its own people???
It wouldnt surprise me (since they are lunatics) BUT i DOUBT anyone can prove it!

So really, its just a hallow accusation , baseless, being thossed around like a grenade in a war time . How predictable.

Shame on you guys for buying it without requiring Proof.

I am really surprised at how many ATS members post here claiming to 'deny ignorance' and 'seek truth', yet the minute they find something that, like you said, satisfies their bigotry, arrogance and preconeived notions about things they don't understand, Fox News is the beacon of hope and truth.

Utterly shameful.

SILENCE!!!!!!

INFIDELS!!!

...I kill you....

ACHMED

Originally posted by Swatman
people also forget that there is a difference between a news reporter and a commentator.

The problem is...so does FOX.

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
Since so many cant take down their prejudice against Fox

That prejudice is well deserved. FOX has worked hard to earn it.
Thanks for the alternative though, now it has a bit more merit.

I don't doubt any of this guys claims to be possibly true.
Everyone in the mid-east is torturing someone these days.

- Lee

This is not the first time I have seen a former Religious Fanatic speak out. And I really hope it is not the last, because we need people like these to expose another side of the truth that is often ignored. I don't think this topic is intended directly to create sympathy for Israel or blacken the image of Palestinians; it simply allows us to view the effects of religious fanaticism through another perspective.

I'm disappointed the he converted to Christianity, would be happy if rejected religion or became an Atheist.

maybe peace could be achieved by everyone converting to the same religion... preferably a new one that doesn't date back to hundreds or even thousands of years ago. Just a simple one that has something about being accountable for ones actions, one that can be summed up in 1 single word... Karmaisim

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fox news lol,

pure BS

isn't that what israel does too,you couldn't all be brainwashed,but then maybe

What he did took guts sounds to me he's slowly realizing the ugly truth about all religions in the end they all lead people to kill the "heathens".

I hope you guys realize that foxnews is just pure propaganda... nothing else. Both sides in this war are doing horrible things to each other. Foxnews is only making the Israel side look better - the states have been supporting Israel for years.

As you say... "Two oppositions are needed to make a war".

Whoever said that Israeli jails where fun places to be now have at least some reason to reconsider. What type of torture and depravity do you need to employ to get a 'son' of a Hamas founding member to start giving interviews to FOX?

Possibly part of the reason why torture has been outlawed by all civilized societies?

Hamas is no more a terrorist organization than the ANC or any liberation movement who's members or structures sometimes resorts to violence as part of their struggle. As some of ignorant folk around here apparent don't yet realize Hamas is a POLITICAL movement ( is the republican, democratic parties terrorist organizations for starting illegal wars never having been threatened?) which WINS elections.

This is just another desperate Israeli government attempt to prolong the conflict against the majority sentiment amongst both Israeli's and palestinians who could sort out out their differences if not for the massive international support of Israeli state( zionist) terrorism.

Stellar